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sadistic cop kills family golden retriever

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Linflas said:
Actually I agree with that however I would add that with the badge and acting under color of law comes responsibility as well. Personally I would never allow my dogs to run free in an unfenced area and would never trust an invisible fence to keep them in. If they really want to get out they will go right through the thing without a thought. I also think that a cops should exercise some reasonable responsibility and not react by pulling a gun and killing someone's pet without really being threatened. Almost any episode of "Cops" shows cops dealing with barking dogs running up when they arrive on scene and the cops deal with it without killing the dog so it is certainly possible. I even saw one where the cop wnet do far as to deal with being bit while he was removing a dog from a vehicle involved in an accident.
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THIS.

I do NOT give a shit how the dog approached the cop. It is not a fighting breed. With a dog that is like that and even if it was in attack mode, the officer should reach for a baton, not a firearm. If you need to strike the dog, that is all you should need to do. But reaching for a deadly force because of a Golden Retriever? Give me a fucking break.

Hell, as preslove indicated, death or serious injury to an adult is not really much of a possibility. Strike the dog with a baton, it will whimper and cower away.

The use of deadly force is only authorized when a deadly threat is eminent. That doesn't sound like a Golden Retriever to me.
 
dabuddha said:
I think that's one of the most important things that the "cop killers" in this thread seem to miss.
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I won't say that the owner had some fault. But using a gun to take down a retriever sounds like something a farmer would do with an animal on his property. Doesn't sound like something a cop would do on someone else's property when the cop had no business being there (IE - he wasn't serving a warrant on that premises). If the cop suspected that as a drug house, and the dog as a watch/attack dog, I could see it. But he wasn't even investigating that house. Just walking by. And then he sees a dog running at him and fears for his life? I don't see it... not with a Golden Retriever.
 
pontifex said:
you seem to indicate that golden retrievers are incapable of harming someone or don't have teeth...where do you live?

hmm...after reading some more, it seems like you aren't the only one who thinks that way. maybe the golden retrievers i've been around have eaten some super growth hormone? My family owns Rottweilers and I've been around several golden retrievers. they were very close to the same size.
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By the same token, a 13 year old practicing batting can most definitely harm someone... is the use of deadly force authorized if said 13 year old runs up to say hello to the officer?
 
mvbighead said:
THIS.

I do NOT give a shit how the dog approached the cop. It is not a fighting breed. With a dog that is like that and even if it was in attack mode, the officer should reach for a baton, not a firearm. If you need to strike the dog, that is all you should need to do. But reaching for a deadly force because of a Golden Retriever? Give me a fucking break.

Hell, as preslove indicated, death or serious injury to an adult is not really much of a possibility. Strike the dog with a baton, it will whimper and cower away.

The use of deadly force is only authorized when a deadly threat is eminent. That doesn't sound like a Golden Retriever to me.
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Was this a purebred? Oh that's right, you have no idea, you're arguing over something you don't have any details about.
 
So many cop haters in here, who cares what breed the dog is? All dogs are capable of mauling and biting strangers. Large dogs can do a lot of damage, whether they are a Golden Retriever or a Rott or a German Shepard. Anyone who claims that Golden Retrievers never attack people are full of shit, plain and simple.

1. The dog should've been on a leash.
2. There should have been signs to inform strangers that there is an electric fence.
3. The incident is tragic but in no way is it foul play.

If a large dog I don't know starts charging me, I would think I am in danger, no matter what breed it is.
 
pontifex said:
you seem to indicate that golden retrievers are incapable of harming someone or don't have teeth...where do you live?

hmm...after reading some more, it seems like you aren't the only one who thinks that way. maybe the golden retrievers i've been around have eaten some super growth hormone? My family owns Rottweilers and I've been around several golden retrievers. they were very close to the same size.
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You seem to be incapable of differentiating between harm and deadly harm. Again, an aggressiveGR is not going to kill an adult male. He just isn't. You can't say that about an aggressive Rottweiler or Pit. Do you really not understand what I'm saying?

As for their sizes, you are seriously off.
Rottweiler
Weight Male 50-58 Kg (110-130 lbs) weight relative to height
Female 40-48 Kg (90-105 lbs) weight relative to height
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rottweiler

GR:
Weight: Dogs 60-80 pounds (27-36kg.) Bitches 55-70 pounds (25-32kg.)
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/goldenretriever.htm

That's a huge difference. Again, I am confident that I, a 29 year old man, can fight off a stupidly raised, aggressive GR. I can't say the same thing about a stupidly raised, aggressive Rottie.
 
Why does a dog have to be capable of killing before someone can defend himself? I'm sure an aggressive GR is capable of causing serious injuries due to its size and what nature gave it. So you rather see someone get maimed and bitten than a dead dog? I disagree with your priorities.
 
DrunkenSano said:
So many cop haters in here, who cares what breed the dog is? All dogs are capable of mauling and biting strangers. Large dogs can do a lot of damage, whether they are a Golden Retriever or a Rott or a German Shepard. Anyone who claims that Golden Retrievers never attack people are full of shit, plain and simple.

1. The dog should've been on a leash.
2. There should have been signs to inform strangers that there is an electric fence.
3. The incident is tragic but in no way is it foul play.

If a large dog I don't know starts charging me, I would think I am in danger, no matter what breed it is.
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Read... it'll help you understand the argument. For all intents and purposes, is an officer authorized to use DEADLY force when an unarmed suspect is running at him to attack him? As far as I know, he is not. DEADLY force is only authorized when a DEADLY threat exists. I could see how someone would suspect/fear a Rottie or Pitt as DEADLY force. A Golden retriever, not so much.

As I said a few posts ago, a baton is authorized for such a threat. Smack the dog in the head. If it yelps and runs away, no life is lost. If it continues to attack, pull your pistol and kill it. But it sounds as if the dog ran at the officer barking, and thus ended up dead. Dog or person, if the threat ain't deadly, the use of DEADLY force should be the LAST resort.
 
I used to have a golden retriever when I was a kid, one day some friends came over and their younger son who was about 12, walked up and stomped on Sandy's front paws. The dog immediately jumped up, and tackled the kid and held him to the ground with the kids neck in his mouth growling. We thought that we were going to have to put him down, but we were lucky there weren't even teeth marks on the kids neck and the kids parent said that he probably deserved it for jumping on a sleeping animals front feet.
 
mvbighead said:
I do NOT give a shit how the dog approached the cop. It is not a fighting breed.
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preslove said:
Again, I am confident that I, a 29 year old man, can fight off a stupidly raised, aggressive GR.
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One might be able to fight it off, but it doesn't mean the cop should have to. Standards of deadly force really don't apply as much to animals.

Ultimately, if any dog attacks an officer, it would be put down by the city anyway. You can pretty much count on that.
 
DrunkenSano said:
Why does a dog have to be capable of killing before someone can defend himself? I'm sure an aggressive GR is capable of causing serious injuries due to its size and what nature gave it. So you rather see someone get maimed and bitten than a dead dog? I disagree with your priorities.
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Well in that case, tell the officers to fire away on any dog. Gotta give someone a speeding ticket and they have a barking dog in the back seat? Pull it out and put one right between the eyes. Gotta answer a call at a house with a wild varmint in the back yard? Shoot the dog Buster just cause he is there and barking.
 
Harrod said:
I used to have a golden retriever when I was a kid, one day some friends came over and their younger son who was about 12, walked up and stomped on Sandy's front paws. The dog immediately jumped up, and tackled the kid and held him to the ground with the kids neck in his mouth growling. We thought that we were going to have to put him down, but we were lucky there weren't even teeth marks on the kids neck and the kids parent said that he probably deserved it for jumping on a sleeping animals front feet.
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Those days are long gone.
 
Powermoloch said:
no leash is fair game.

<---- dog owner
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on your own property? Let me guess you rent an apartment too.

To mvbighead:

You can't always let the danger come upon you to decide what to react with.

Chances are if your baton didn't stop it, you'd never have time to draw your pistol.

EVERY dog pretty much is capable of a life-stopping/changing bite.

My dog plays with pitbulls, mastiffs, wolfhounds daily yet his two major bites were from a wippet and a golden retriever. The wippet missed puncturing his lung by millimeters.
 
Juddog said:
Never been to the ghetto and got chased by a rott +1.
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Funny you should say that since when I was a small child I actually got run down by a large golden retriever when I was walking home by myself. He beat me up pretty bad too. But even then I knew he was just playing, and didnt mean to hurt me.
 
alkemyst said:
Chances are if your baton didn't stop it, you'd never have time to draw your pistol.
EVERY dog pretty much is capable of a life-stopping/changing bite.

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this especially the bolded.

although I agree, if the dog is in the front leash or rope/chain the dog, invisifence or not.

my mailman wont even deliver mail if the dog is chanied up out front. if hte neighbors front window is open he wont either cu their shepard sits in the window and barks at him(not even meanly, just a HI THERE! bark, but still, unsettling when its not your 70+ lb doggie)
 
surfsatwerk said:
You clowns talking about "fighting breeds" have spent too much time jacking off to anti-pitbull propaganda.
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Do you have any knowledge on the history of domesticated dogs? The whole reason pits and rotts exist is because they were selectively bred for size/power/fighting prowess. They're a creation of our historical desires for them.

I am NOT saying that people shouldn't be able to own them, or that they are inherently bad dogs, I don't think Preslove is either. I've actually met easily 10x the nice playful energetic happy pits than pissed off neglected/abused/angry ones.

What shouldn't be brushed under the rug though is that Pits and Rotts are just hugely more powerful/dangerous IN THE CASE that they happen to go on attack mode. The chances of being attacked by any particular breed of dog is an almost meaningless statistic, hell I've probably been nipped/snapped at more by tiny dogs by far than large ones. The point is that when a dog of the caliber of a Pit/Rott is on the attack, you've got a dramatically raised chance of being seriously maimed if not killed. Closely following those two are two other exceptionally agile breeds that fight very effectively : Dobermans and German Shepherds, pound for pound about as tough as they come.

All of this is common sense anyway.

I wasn't at the scene described in the OP, and neither were any of us. I happen to be of the opinion that it sounds a little shady, as GR typically don't present much of a threat, even if irritated, to an adult male. If it were a Pit or Rott that were chasing the cop, I'd have absolutely zero doubts about the need for immediate deadly force. A GR though? I have my doubts that it was really necessary. It could just be a freak thing though, I mean how many fatalities or serious maimings were caused in the past decade by Pits? Alrite, now how many by GRs? It's a pretty disparate situation.
 
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