Originally posted by: Dari
You actually think that people mean Bush himself when make accusations against his Administration or his campaign?
Where have you been?
Originally posted by: Dari
You actually think that people mean Bush himself when make accusations against his Administration or his campaign?
hehe I think you link that video in every P&N thread.
Originally posted by: OrByte
hehe I think you link that video in every P&N thread.
??? I don't understand what I am reading.Originally posted by: jpeyton
Not as quick as McCain? Maybe because McCain heard the questions before they were asked.Originally posted by: Tab
Obama seems quite tired and isn't as quick as I expected him to be.
He was supposed to be in a silent chamber so he wouldn't know what was going to be asked (or have a chance to prepare his answers).
Confirmed: McCain was not in the "cone of silence".
Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
...Good Stuff...
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: OrByte
hehe I think you link that video in every P&N thread.
nope, just the ones where McCain is accused of being a poor public speaker, or Obama is praised for being such a wonderful public speaker. Ok so you're right, I do link that video in every P&N thread.
I really would like to see a video like that with McCain as the star, for the lulz of course.
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
I can't wait too seem him slaughter McCain, do you honestly believe McCain even stands a chance? I'm already planning party to watch the GOP finally fall...
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Memorizing and spouting talking points is about all he can do. Do you need videos of his performances during the Republican primary debates to remember how badly he stumbles when he doesn't know the questions ahead of time?Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Not as quick as McCain? Maybe because McCain heard the questions before they were asked.Originally posted by: Tab
Obama seems quite tired and isn't as quick as I expected him to be.
He was supposed to be in a silent chamber so he wouldn't know what was going to be asked (or have a chance to prepare his answers).
Confirmed: McCain was not in the "cone of silence".
I thought McCain was a senile light-weight... how'd he have time to memorize, formulate, and practice all of his answers?
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
I can't wait too seem him slaughter McCain, do you honestly believe McCain even stands a chance? I'm already planning party to watch the GOP finally fall...
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
I can't wait too seem him slaughter McCain, do you honestly believe McCain even stands a chance? I'm already planning party to watch the GOP finally fall...
Obama isnt perfect as Sat showed. He also had issues during some of his debates with Hillary. I am of the belief the more he talks the worse his campaign gets. I am actually looking forward to the debates. Where he isnt allowed to read a pre-scripted speech to wow the audience with.
Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
This whole thing was about Rick Warren, all about him, not Jesus or God or how the candidates would actually help the country. It was about him getting free media play and selling CD's for Rick Warren.
He got the candidates to kiss his holy ass so he can elbow his way into the top when Billy Graham kicks the bucket. He also places himself in line for some of that good government money they will have to shell out for continued 'faith based iniatives'. Continued because Jesus will not be happy if Pat Robertson's government checks stop coming. Did anyone else notice pastor Rick going a little sensitive over the "definition of rich" category, I wondered what was that about, was it to protect his own, no doubt, high income status? I would have asked Rick Warren about the camel's path through the eye of a needle being easier than the rich man's entrance into heaven according to the Bible.
That politicians would even court the biblically-illiterate, unchristian American Christianists is the height of irony. The same Christianists who have no problem with wealth, so long as they have it, can we get an SUV testimonial?. Their faith is in prosperity, their loyalty to the almighty dollar. Some are sincere, but most aren't - you can't build a megachurch out of true believers, although you can fill it with charlatans and hypocrites and people wanting to be led astray. The megachurch movement makes me think of Jesus and the moneylenders, except American-style, they're like "It's a-okay!"
For Example:
"We are one of those people that make over $250,000 a year, and I don't agree that that makes us rich," said Melinda Sacks, who runs her husband's law office in San Clemente, referring to Obama's answer at the forum that put her in the "wealthy" category. "Even with that kind of income, we struggle to pay everything we have gotten ourselves into."
A perfect representative of the kind of faithful drawn to megachurches, embracing the "party of personal responsibility" and apparently demonstrating very little personal responsibility if $250K a year isn't enough for their no doubt pious "Christian" lifestyle. Who's fault is it that you're struggling to pay it all. What part of "conservative" don't you understand. I am so sick of the sense of entitlement and total lack of self-awareness from people like this woman.
I understand why Obama & McCain accepted this invitation, but I don't have to like that they pretty much had to take it. Actually, that politicians would court them isn't so ironic; politicians are whores. But that there would be this notion of the American Christianists as this voice of moral authority, it's just absurd. I think Warren was given a forum he didn't deserve in this event, and I can only hope that his own charlatanism comes back to haunt him at some point, although there'll be another Christianist huckster waiting in the wings, ready for their turn at bat.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
I can't wait too seem him slaughter McCain, do you honestly believe McCain even stands a chance? I'm already planning party to watch the GOP finally fall...
Obama isnt perfect as Sat showed. He also had issues during some of his debates with Hillary. I am of the belief the more he talks the worse his campaign gets. I am actually looking forward to the debates. Where he isnt allowed to read a pre-scripted speech to wow the audience with.
Who has said that Obama is perfect except the McCain faithful?
Yaknow, Gen, it's sad for me to see you fall into this kind of ridiculous partisan logic this year. "Your guy isn't perfect so you have to vote for my guy who isn't perfect either."
When considering the choices in an election, one has to weigh and measure the candidates against each other, and not against some fictional vision of perfection that none of the candidates live up to.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For the record Obama is the guy who spent 20 years in a very public and well known church and freely talks about his faith.
McCain is the secularist who hardly ever talks about his faith.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
I can't wait too seem him slaughter McCain, do you honestly believe McCain even stands a chance? I'm already planning party to watch the GOP finally fall...
Obama isnt perfect as Sat showed. He also had issues during some of his debates with Hillary. I am of the belief the more he talks the worse his campaign gets. I am actually looking forward to the debates. Where he isnt allowed to read a pre-scripted speech to wow the audience with.
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: lupi
Obama: Well, um, well, um, that's above my paygrade.
lol, can't wait to see him in the debates. That empty suit folds so easily when he's not reading from his prompter.
I can't wait too seem him slaughter McCain, do you honestly believe McCain even stands a chance? I'm already planning party to watch the GOP finally fall...
Obama isnt perfect as Sat showed. He also had issues during some of his debates with Hillary. I am of the belief the more he talks the worse his campaign gets. I am actually looking forward to the debates. Where he isnt allowed to read a pre-scripted speech to wow the audience with.
Do you honestly believe Obama, an Ivy Leaguer whom graduated from Harvard as a lawyer is going to lose to McSame in the debates?
Are you serious? :Q
On a side note, the people claiming Obama is perfect are the Republicans and the lolbertarians.
When somebody claims he is going to slaughter McCain that implies a level of perfection.
I wouldn't refer to McCain as a secularist simply because he isn't very open or vocal about his faith.
This whole thing was about Rick Warren, all about him, not Jesus or God or how the candidates would actually help the country.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For the record Obama is the guy who spent 20 years in a very public and well known church and freely talks about his faith.
McCain is the secularist who hardly ever talks about his faith.
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
This boils down to: those who like Obama better thought he did better, those who like McCain better will think he did better. I'd be curious to see how independents viewed this.
I thought Obama was unsure of himself when not given a nice script to go off. McCain threw in too many anecdotes.
I did my best to see what the MSM talking heads thought of their performances.
I got the impression they felt it wasn't the best Obama performance. BTW, I'm speaking about the coments from the MSM who appear to support Obama, I don't care what Hannity may have had to say etc.
They were afraid he wasn't concise enough, that his answers were too nuanced (like Kerry or Gore one actually said). Apparently they worry this will not play well to the average voter.
Re: Roe vs Wade, I'm another who doesn't believe McCain can do a damn thing about it. I recall the trouble GWB had getting SC judges through the Senate confirmation process even when the Repubs held a majority in the Senate.
If McCain were to become President, the Dems will still leadership in the Senate Judiciary Committee. He'll never be able have a litmus test like anti-abortion and get any nominee through the Committee. It just won't happen; it's an unrealistic fantasy for the RR.
Fern
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Not as quick as McCain? Maybe because McCain heard the questions before they were asked.Originally posted by: Tab
Obama seems quite tired and isn't as quick as I expected him to be.
He was supposed to be in a silent chamber so he wouldn't know what was going to be asked (or have a chance to prepare his answers).
Confirmed: McCain was not in the "cone of silence".
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Vic
Who has said that Obama is perfect except the McCain faithful?Originally posted by: Genx87
Obama isnt perfect as Sat showed. He also had issues during some of his debates with Hillary. I am of the belief the more he talks the worse his campaign gets. I am actually looking forward to the debates. Where he isnt allowed to read a pre-scripted speech to wow the audience with.
Yaknow, Gen, it's sad for me to see you fall into this kind of ridiculous partisan logic this year. "Your guy isn't perfect so you have to vote for my guy who isn't perfect either."
When considering the choices in an election, one has to weigh and measure the candidates against each other, and not against some fictional vision of perfection that none of the candidates live up to.
Oh christ Vic nowhere in my reply did I say you cant vote for Obama because he isnt perfect and thus have to vote for McCain. Look at what I am responding to? When somebody claims he is going to slaughter McCain that implies a level of perfection.
As for the rest of my comments. I still stand by my theory the longer this race goes, the more he talks, the tighter this race is going to become. I really felt the press gave him a lot of slack during the primaries and his biggest leads were nearly 2 months ago.
And overall you know my vote for McCain is just a vote for gridlock.
