Saddam arrested?

[AnImuS]

great news. the man believed to know all the answers to iraq has been captured. I can only imagine how much info the intel guys will be salivating over.

 

[DealMonkey]

Wow. Unbelievable. I never thought they'd capture him alive. Good work. This will be a major turning point in Iraq...

 

[phillyTIM]

I think it's great that they caught Saddam - perhaps now George will be free to finally return to the War on Terror (you remember, they did have some hijackers that wrecked our world trade center 9/11/01? - like osama, alquaeda and saudi arabia/pakistan), and focus upon OUR (the United States...you know, the country that he was appointed to run?) problems HERE.

We've paid FAR too much in blood and money for Bush's lust for Saddam, which still has yet to be justified after a year and a half now.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

reddawn feels bad about being led to believe this war was about WMD (which the US and britisch gouvernment where shouting) and yesthe cause might have been good, but the justification (for the moment) is not. the US helped more dictators to get their power than they removed. so I dont really think the general public would have been so pro-war without the claims of WMD.

after all, freeing a country is a very tricky buisness, it'll take years before iraq even resembles a country instead of a battlefield.

construction of such a big thing, costs lots of men, money, and willpower. maybe with saddam caught the anti-US movement will drop a little bit in iraq, but I doubt he even had a lot of influence in the counter attacks of the iraqi's against US military. I might get proven wrong tho, but it's hard to try and hide, while still pulling the strings.

Well, I agree with you that a lot of folks SHOULD feel badly about being duped, if indeed they were. Personally I never did care about the WMD, and I have been hoping for us to help the Iraqi people since the first Gulf War. I was horrified at that time that we encouraged people in Iraq to rise against Saddam, lead them to believe we would help them out, and then left them in the lurch for Saddam's army to slaughter. Bush Sr. should *Never* have listened to the U.N in that matter.

Marty, I've *ALWAYS* been an advocate of the Natural and Civil Rights of individuals, since LONG before Bush was elected to the white house, nevermind the start of this war. That's why I *don't* feel duped by the whole WMD issue, because I *never* cared about that to begin with. I always just figured Iraq's chances of causing much *direct* harm to us, at least here on the continent, was pretty slim. I might also point out that I've always supported the idea of overthrowing dictators *everywhere*, not just in Iraq, and I hope that other middle eastern countries are next.

DnCowen, you are absolutely right that we *cannot* take out all the dictators by ourselves, at least not all in one fell swoop. We have to be careful, choose our battles carefully. I suspect that's why ShrubberyBoy emphasized WMD's over the humanitarian reasons, merely for the politics of not upsetting the other dictators and catalyzing them into getting together against us or something.

Red...in some sense I agree with you that we shouldn't be the world's policeman, but I also think that we need to be THE defender of liberty in the world. Nations like Iraq or North Korea, where people are abused and enslaved for differences of opinion ought not to be allowed to stand in such a way. China is another example, but perhaps a special case because they are SO huge that overthrowing their government and freeing their people would take somethign special. I don't think a full-frontal assault would work there.

You also have another problem besides just ousting the dictator, though: You're talking about people who have *never* known what it means to be free, to be the owners of their own lives, to have a right to think, feel and say whatever they please without fear of being murdered or tortured. It's going to take a HUGE educational effort and a long process to help these people *learn* to be free. China, for an example, has *never* been free in all of its history. Imagine the difficulty that will have to be endured for that nation and culture to transform itself into one where individual rights are prevalent and are protected under the rule of law.

I'm not saying it's easy...but it's the right thing to do.

Jason

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Acts837

Originally posted by: Mill


... I hope Saddam remains free and continues to attack our troops. They are an invading force and should be ousted like the imperialist pigs they are.

Do me a favor and leave Alabama and the United States! You are one pathetic person to wish harm upon our troops.

Your sarcasm detector is seriously broken.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Oh, and Philly, regarding whether this war was justified, think about this: Remember all those children who poured out of that Prison in Baghdad when US forces rolled in? Those kids are going to grow up in an Iraq that is free from a brutal tyrant. They'll be the first in that nation's history to be raised in freedom, and I believe with the kind of hope for their own children's futures that every person SHOULD have.

To me, that's justification enough.

Jason

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Anybody notice that some of the Red flags that were being waved by the Iraqi's celebrating the capture of Saddam had the Sickle and Hammer on them? Not that it really has any significance, I was just taken aback by it. Maybe it shows how much things have changed in Iraq where an obviously Atheistic group feels safe enough to publicly demonstrate/celebrate in a Theoretical society.

Anyone notice that it was called "Operation Red Dawn"?

Tell us Red, how are you linked? There is some conspiracy here, I just can't find it yet!

Congratulations to our troops. HUGE victory. Even captured him alive! I look forward to some information from his interrogations...

Naysayers, bush-bashers, and pessimists please commence telling us how we've failed..

P.S. I agree, he does look like a deadhead. How come dictators/terrorists turn into porn stars and hippies upon capture?

400+ US sons and daughters killed for the sole purpose to capturing an old, tired man = failure... thanks for the invite.

Equating Saddam with merely being a tired old man is like calling a Krispy Kreme donut just a donut