[SA] GK110 aka GTX 680 release date: Late Q3 '12

[tviceman]

wow holy snip batman

I feel like every time you have posted a response to something I have said in this thread, it has been with a different personality. You are all over the place in every single one of your posts that you literally wore me out with the last one while I was trying to piece together any sort of cohesive and relevant thought to what we were discussing. With your latest reply, I just scanned through it to see that you were again putting words in my mouth and made a bunch of bold words as if to drive home a point that was never there to be had, then laughed and decided to just go on as if the conversation I was having with all of the different you's was over at some point before I realized that I was having a conversation with "several" of "you".

Go buy your video card. No one is stopping you and you don't need to validate or justify your purchase to anyone.

 

[railven]

I feel like every time you have posted a response to something I have said in this thread, it has been with a different personality. You are all over the place in every single one of your posts that you literally wore me out with the last one while I was trying to piece together any sort of cohesive and relevant thought to what we were discussing. With your latest reply, I just scanned through it to see that you were again putting words in my mouth and made a bunch of bold words as if to drive home a point that was never there to be had, then laughed and decided to just go on as if the conversation I was having with all of the different you's was over at some point before I realized that I was having a conversation with "several" of "you".

Go buy your video card. No one is stopping you and you don't need to validate or justify your purchase to anyone.

Hey thanks, any more ad hominems in your arsenal? I guess when you can't win on merit of debate, slander works again.

At least you didn't take shots into my personal life or spending habits. I thank you for that. 😉

 

[notty22]

I feel like every time you have posted a response to something I have said in this thread, it has been with a different personality. You are all over the place in every single one of your posts that you literally wore me out with the last one while I was trying to piece together any sort of cohesive and relevant thought to what we were discussing. With your latest reply, I just scanned through it to see that you were again putting words in my mouth and made a bunch of bold words as if to drive home a point that was never there to be had, then laughed and decided to just go on as if the conversation I was having with all of the different you's was over at some point before I realized that I was having a conversation with "several" of "you".

Go buy your video card. No one is stopping you and you don't need to validate or justify your purchase to anyone.

Full Moon , maybe ? 🙂

 

[railven]

Full Moon , maybe ? 🙂

Oh snap, green parrot strikes again! Imagery FTW!

 

[MrK6]

Just look at that tremendous value!

This is an enthusiast's site where we consider the full capabilities of the chip; I'm sure you could find someone at Best Buy to agree with you there though. But wait, let me guess, you only consider overclocking when it's an NVIDIA part, right:

My horses are untamed and impatient. 😀 I want to see how far they overclock those evga ftw cards too.

I also own a galaxy gtx560ti, the one with removable dual fans. It was EXTREMELY quiet even up to 60% fan speed and was able to get a nice overclock at the same time.

Fermi scales well with higher clocks, those that get a card with a vendor-made cooling solution should get some really, really great overclocks on it.

Stock is fine, overclock is fine, doesn't matter by me.

🙄

l33tmasta too, is nvidia viral marketing in overload after bad news from the latest respin or what?

 

[tviceman]

Hey thanks, any more ad hominems in your arsenal? I guess when you can't win on merit of debate, slander works again.

At least you didn't take shots into my personal life or spending habits. I thank you for that. 😉

No ad hominems. You went way off base, saying that I told you to wait for Kepler, or that you should have bought a gtx580 long ago, something about me accusing you of being a shill, then Ivy Bridge and how often you like to upgrade and all sorts of other fun stuff I don't feel like looking up/back on.....when what I originally said was

That is not a win at all for consumers. The hd7950 is a really good card that is currently overpriced.

The last round of second highest performing single gpu cards from both AMD and Nvidia (the gtx570 and hd6950, if you needed help in looking that up) had significantly much more value from the start that the hd7950 has. And despite this very simple notion, you've made your point very clear that you don't think it's overpriced at all and brings so much more to the table to justify it's price and you have the money right now so you absolutely need to upgrade right now so, again, knock yourself out and buy a few of them.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

lol this thread.

Draws more power than a 480, but that's ok those things about heating up your room, costing more money for AC in the summer, and KWh costs don't matter now!

9750 for $560+ in 2012?

I'll take 12800 in 2010 for $450, thanks though.

 

[blackened23]

You're comparing the 480 to a heavily overvolted and heavily overclocked 7970 that has the voltage increased by 200mV and +20% powertune? And a 375 mhz overclock?

Just for arguments sake 😛 what does a GTX 480 pull power wise with +200mV and +20% to the TDP? and a 375mhz overclock. Even though its highly improbable for a 480 to do that (without exploding) unless its on water -- C'mon dude, you know thats not a straight comparison 🙂

 

[Tempered81]

lol this thread.

I'll take 12800 in 2010 for $450, thanks though.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No but you can't thump your chest about how bad GF100 was then turn around and show performance charts for something that is worse in all aspects except the performance ones.

That card is loud, hot, and drawing a ton of power over 28nm to obtain those numbers two years after the fact. Why now are the things people used to bash Nvidia cards ignored for the pure performance aspect of it?

I'll tell you why... Because when GF100 came out it was faster than AMD's cards, but it was louder, hotter, and drew more power so those things became forerunners for why AMD was better. Now that AMD has another next gen product out before Nvidia those things are ignored for the sake of pure performance.

Here is the kicker though, I don't care about those things personally. I thought they were weak arguements back when the AMD camp made them two years ago to justify their early adoption of 5xxx. You aren't going to find a 5870 CF setup that can hang with these 470's in a legit run, that's the simple truth of the matter. GF100 smoked 5xxx in performance, and overclocking. It was worse in power and thermal though, which was something we had to listen to for two years.

Just as the 7970 smokes the 580 in performance and overclocking, there should be no question of that. The die shrink from 40nm to 28nm was huge, performance and performance per watt is going to skyrocket this gen for everyone, not just AMD.

AMD made the first blow on 28nm, however the war has just begun. The winner has yet to be decide as the battle hasn't even really begun yet.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Durr

Disabled tess with extreme cooling :whiste:

Do the math guy, 925 to 1250 +325 Mhz = 2000 points

1250 to 1560 +310 MHz = 4200 points

Get a clue, it's sad this even needs to be pointed out.

 

[Grooveriding]

No NSFW images, please. Very poor taste, not allowed in the tech forums.

Moderator jvroig

 

[chimaxi83]

9750 for $560+ in 2012?

I'll take 12800 in 2010 for $450, thanks though.

Yea no, pretty obvious you disabled tess in driver control panel. No wait, your score is decent so you MUST have disabled any quality settings too. And you obviously ran unicorn piss as your loop coolant, giving you higher than normal clocks. There's a reason you got a good score and its definitely not because your setup is decent. Nope, I won't admit it. Wait, I dropped my pom poms.

Heh. See what I did there?

 

[railven]

Good morning 🙂

No ad hominems. You went way off base, saying that I told you to wait for Kepler, or that you should have bought a gtx580 long ago, something about me accusing you of being a shill, then Ivy Bridge and how often you like to upgrade and all sorts of other fun stuff I don't feel like looking up/back on.....when what I originally said was

Funny, you said you read the history of our conversation, check back again and check all that apply:

• You accused me of being pro-company/anti-consumer (ie company shill/company cheerleader <- those were synonymous I used during my rebuttals) with the only basis was that I was willing to buy a product available at the current prices without any issues.
• You brought up the variable factors, my point was simple: how does a consumer lose when they are paying less and getting more? Your response ranged from [paraphrase – so you don’t take it I’m misquoting you] “You don’t get that MUCH more” to “well this kind of performance was available 14 months ago.” Interesting, you couldn’t even easily just state that I was right, and you were wrong. The consumer only loses if they are pro-nVidia. A normal consumer would see what I said: you get a faster card, for less money, and with more features, if you don't already own a GTX 580.
• When you finally answered me you said it was a “no brainer” that you’d recommend the HD 7950, but made sure to include the 14-month spiel because of course you acknowledging that AMD has a decent product would go against your agenda.
• You went on to accuse me of having multiple personalities, which I interpreted as having more than one user using my account as you said “several” and “you” in quotations (discrete marketer shill accusation, I vote yes).
• My Ivy Bridge reference was more of a joke since you kept calling me Pro-Company/Anti-Consumer, since I am an open Intel fanboy I said “sure, I’d wait for Intel since I can only buy once every two years.”

The last round of second highest performing single gpu cards from both AMD and Nvidia (the gtx570 and hd6950, if you needed help in looking that up) had significantly much more value from the start that the hd7950 has. And despite this very simple notion, you've made your point very clear that you don't think it's overpriced at all and brings so much more to the table to justify it's price and you have the money right now so you absolutely need to upgrade right now so, again, knock yourself out and buy a few of them.

How is any of this relevant to the point I challenged (which you so nicely quoted?) Where does the consumer lose? I never said they didn’t win as big as they’ve won in the past, I only challenged your:

That is not a win at all for consumers.

It is rather amusing how you don’t even acknowledge my point from the first time I quoted you. Instead you keep adding to your flawed position, and turning my position from a wanting to buy now to a time-based purchasing decision attached to ad hominems about how I'm anti-consumer, implications you aren't because you're willing to wait for your team to respond, and ending it with I either have multiple-personalities disorder or am more than one person using the account.

Again, I’ll reiterate my point from the start and I’ll quote your answer:
How is this a loss for the consumer when they’re getting more performance for less money, plus the amenities of being on a smaller node?
Remember, you said:

Oh, and if you are looking to buy a $450 video card right now, then definitely the hd7950 is the better buy. That is certainly a no brainer.

And here we are still arguing because you already admitted defeat, but you just had to add asterisks to your answer, because no way can someone compliment the opponent without losing face.

 

[thilanliyan]

lol this thread.

Draws more power than a 480, but that's ok those things about heating up your room, costing more money for AC in the summer, and KWh costs don't matter now!

Just FYI, the 574w is for the overclocked 7970 which would absolutely destroy a 480 and a 580 in performance, AND performance/watt even consuming more power since the performance is much higher. Stock for stock the 7970 draws less power than both the 580 and 480, while still being faster.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No but you can't thump your chest about how bad GF100 was then turn around and show performance charts for something that is worse in all aspects except the performance ones.

That card is loud, hot, and drawing a ton of power over 28nm to obtain those numbers two years after the fact. Why now are the things people used to bash Nvidia cards ignored for the pure performance aspect of it?

I'll tell you why... Because when GF100 came out it was faster than AMD's cards, but it was louder, hotter, and drew more power so those things became forerunners for why AMD was better. Now that AMD has another next gen product out before Nvidia those things are ignored for the sake of pure performance.

Here is the kicker though, I don't care about those things personally. I thought they were weak arguements back when the AMD camp made them two years ago to justify their early adoption of 5xxx. You aren't going to find a 5870 CF setup that can hang with these 470's in a legit run, that's the simple truth of the matter. GF100 smoked 5xxx in performance, and overclocking. It was worse in power and thermal though, which was something we had to listen to for two years.

Just as the 7970 smokes the 580 in performance and overclocking, there should be no question of that. The die shrink from 40nm to 28nm was huge, performance and performance per watt is going to skyrocket this gen for everyone, not just AMD.

AMD made the first blow on 28nm, however the war has just begun. The winner has yet to be decide as the battle hasn't even really begun yet.

This is a lie. The 7970 is not loud, I have one. I can hear it in gaming, but it certainly isn't loud. It also does not draw more power than the GTX580, quite the opposite. When heavily overclocked it draws more power than a stock clocked GTX580. But it beats the GTX580 every time without a single extra MHz added. So, no. It is not loud. It does not draw more power while being faster than the GTX580. Obviously it shouldn't need more power to beat the GTX580, it's on a more advanced process. But what you said is spin at best, an outright lie at worst.

The issue people rightfully had with Fermi is that it came out well after the 5870, performed only ~15% better on average while using a LOT more power and putting out a LOT more heat. The 7970 came out before anything Nvidia has put out for the 28nm generation, who knows there may be another 6 month difference. It performs faster than last gen while using less power... it does what it is supposed to do.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Oh lawd, the dual 470s again... 😀

Right now, if you are an enthusiast overclocker, the 7950 leaves everything in the dust at price/performance, as shown in those benchs Mrk6 posted... If you are just the average joe who plans on using the card at stock, its barely a better buy than the GTX580, but still better enough to make it completely redundant

Im not even sure what people are arguing about anymore... I mean, what did you expect AMD to do? Launch the better performing 7950 at a lower price? For what? If it is better than the 580 in every way, they have all the right to price it like this

Not even gonna talk about the 7970 since that one is the premium card and the top card has always been 500$-600$, so this isnt news either

 

[Dribble]

Im not even sure what people are arguing about anymore... I mean, what did you expect AMD to do? Launch the better performing 7950 at a lower price? For what? If it is better than the 580 in every way, they have all the right to price it like this

I did have some expectations of AMD pricing it reasonably - 5850 anyone?

This time instead of pricing well from the start they are waiting till the competition arrives first before selling it at a more reasonable price. That's their choice but we don't have to pat them over the back about it.

 

[railven]

I did have some expectations of AMD pricing it reasonably - 5850 anyone?

This time instead of pricing well from the start they are waiting till the competition arrives first before selling it at a more reasonable price. That's their choice but we don't have to pat them over the back about it.

And that is a reasonable stance to take. Don't like the price, that's cool - it isn't for everyone. But trying to spin it like you're getting robbed and those buying seeing value are morons, well that's just dumb.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Group huge my AMD friends, AMD is just getting as much as they can out of this, once Nvidia brings something out they'll reduce the price.

lol - worse than the AMD cpu fans.

 

[Will Robinson]

I don't believe he bought up the GTX 470s again 😵

 

[railven]

I don't believe he bought up the GTX 470s again 😵

When you have nothing else to go on, go by what you know best - regardless how irrelevant.

Of course the tune will change when nVidia releases. Isn't that part of the circle of life around here?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

When you have nothing else to go on, go by what you know best - regardless how irrelevant.

Of course the tune will change when nVidia releases. Isn't that part of the circle of life around here?

Yes, as soon as Nvidia brings out their flagship I'll be all over it.

Because I paid $350 for each of my cards, and I'm the type of person who spends $700 on gpus, and another $150 on blocks so I can play console ports and brag to all my friends.

 

[blackened23]

Group huge my AMD friends, AMD is just getting as much as they can out of this, once Nvidia brings something out they'll reduce the price.

lol - worse than the AMD cpu fans.

Honest question - with these specs do you really think that AMD has anything to worry about? I don't. GK110 is the one to get and reports indicate that it will not be out until september or october. It has just taped out.

Calm down about your 470s, I think everyone has your rig drilled into their heads now 😛

 

[railven]

Yes, as soon as Nvidia brings out their flagship I'll be all over it.

Where did I even mention anything about flagship cards?

Because I paid $350 for each of my cards, and I'm the type of person who spends $700 on gpus, and another $150 on blocks so I can play console ports and brag to all my friends.

Looking at your sig and your constant chest pounding about your super cheap GTX 470s from Black Friday, I'm not even sure if you're being serious about that?

Regardless what you paid for them cards, you're running a loop and post here only about your gaming performance.

So...yeah, not sure if serious.😛