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Ryzen-A Fail for Gamers?

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LTC8K6 said:
Athlon 5350 has a very poor IGP. It is soundly beaten by the Intel HD4600, which is also a very poor IGP.

Intel's latest IGP HD530/630 is much better than HD4600

AMD's current top end IGP's are pretty good.

RyZen IGP will likely be much better than anything in these charts, and about 20X better than an Athlon 5350. 😀

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/the-desktop-kabini-review-part-1-athlon-5350-am1/6
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Thank you for your reply!
Here is a test of RX460 OC:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_460_STRIX_OC/22.html
The gaming peak power is 97W so it is not realistic for any IGP. But if we clock down RX460 so peak power would be 40-50 W maybe it could be like an IGP. Is it 60-70% of the GPU clock?
 
unseenmorbidity said:
There is no such thing as gaming IPC. If it can perform in benchmarks, then it can do it in games too. It will just take time for optimizations to happen.
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It's called cycles per instruction look it up.
In benches it doesn't matter, it's like dave's example, the bench doesn't care if it get's 10 or 2x5 instructions done in 1ms the result is the same.
 
Puffnstuff said:
Not a typo brother and it sold quickly.
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Yah, because you have insider amazon 3rd party info... Pathetic.

What is wrong with you? Why are you desperately trying to get people to believe Ryzen sucks? There are plenty of legitimate complaints and criticisms that can be made, but most of those revolve around the fact it's a new architecture that is understandably buggy.

If you want to talk about that stuff, fine. I personally feel that it's mostly a waste of time though, as we are waiting on optimizations, but whatever.

But you are using ridiculous fallacious arguments.

As if the fact that someone bought a ryzen CPU on amazon for $400 proves something. It doesn't! And that is assuming it was true in the first place, which is questionable at best.
 
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dahorns said:
It isn't really a test against the 7700k. It is a test against the SL/KL, core for core, thread for thread, and clock for clock. The result: an 7.9% advantage on average to SL/KL.

Of course, Ryzen and SL/KL are never really competing on those terms. Ryzen will generally have more cores and threads against a comparable priced SL/KL. And SL/KL will be clocked higher.
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Yea, a really fair test. Ryzen overclocked pretty much as high as it can go vs underclocked KL.
 
unseenmorbidity said:
Yah, because you have insider amazon 3rd party info... Pathetic.
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What the hell is wrong with you? I saw the price posted and it was a valid amazon price so I put it here so anyone who wanted one could take advantage of it. I don't control their inventory dude so when they sell out they no longer show as available. You have serious issues buddy and it sounds like anger management classes might be in order.
 
frozentundra123456 said:
Yea, a really fair test. Ryzen overclocked pretty much as high as it can go vs underclocked KL.
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Are you Trolling or what ??

The comparison was

1. Clock to Clock
2. Core/Threads to Core/Threads
3. Same RAM speed

And you calling it not fair ?? read again, it wasnt comparing the Core i7 7700K but the architecture (Kabylake).
It doesnt getting more fair than this.
 
Puffnstuff said:
What the hell is wrong with you? I saw the price posted and it was a valid amazon price so I put it here so anyone who wanted one could take advantage of it. I don't control their inventory dude so when they sell out they no longer show as available. You have serious issues buddy and it sounds like anger management classes might be in order.
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Just because a price is visible on Amazon, doesn't mean it's valid. There have been many occurrences of Amazon displaying a price incorrectly and they never fulfill orders at that price. The item no longer available isn't an indication of it selling out fast either, they could have simply removed it due to being the wrong price.

You simply don't know, that's the point.
 
AtenRa said:
Are you Trolling or what ??

The comparison was

1. Clock to Clock
2. Core/Threads to Core/Threads
3. Same RAM speed

And you calling it not fair ?? read again, it wasnt comparing the Core i7 7700K but the architecture (Kabylake).
It doesnt getting more fair than this.
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Clock for clock is only meaningful if your designs have the same frequency potential.

Kaby Lake has significantly greater frequency potential than Zen does at this point in time (+25% or so).
 
AtenRa said:
Are you Trolling or what ??

The comparison was

1. Clock to Clock
2. Core/Threads to Core/Threads
3. Same RAM speed

And you calling it not fair ?? read again, it wasnt comparing the Core i7 7700K but the architecture (Kabylake).
It doesnt getting more fair than this.
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They should at least have included both at stock and both overclocked. I understand what they are doing, but it doesnt tell the complete story. As far a trolling, if one looked it up in the dictionary, it would probably say "see any one of about 70% of the threads in the Anand Tech (AMD zone) Ryzen threads.
 
Arachnotronic said:
Clock for clock is only meaningful if your designs have the same frequency potential.

Kaby Lake has significantly greater frequency potential than Zen does at this point in time (+25% or so).
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True in the specific context of gaming and enthusiast use, but in server space such comparisons will be more meaningful, especially with power being tied to frequency.
 
Arachnotronic said:
Clock for clock is only meaningful if your designs have the same frequency potential.

Kaby Lake has significantly greater frequency potential than Zen does at this point in time (+25% or so).
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It is meaningful if you want to compare the IPC of the μarchitectures in the specific game.
 
crashtech said:
True in the specific context of gaming and enthusiast use, but in server space such comparisons will be more meaningful, especially with power being tied to frequency.
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Power does go up on a given design as frequency/voltage scale up, but it looks like Intel's V/F curve on Kaby Lake is much better than Zen's for the most part. Voltage and frequency aren't the only factors in power consumption, though, capacitance is a factor too.
 
Arachnotronic said:
Clock for clock is only meaningful if your designs have the same frequency potential.

Kaby Lake has significantly greater frequency potential than Zen does at this point in time (+25% or so).
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I would disagree here. It is a meaningful data point. Not all encompassing, but both valid and interesting as well. Just like low res gaming is just one data point. Also not all encompassing, but valid and interesting. Either of those data points may or may not be *useful* to you, and your use case. But, that is for the potential buyer to evaluate, based on their needs.
 
Arachnotronic said:
Power does go up on a given design as frequency/voltage scale up, but it looks like Intel's V/F curve on Kaby Lake is much better than Zen's for the most part. Voltage and frequency aren't the only factors in power consumption, though, capacitance is a factor too.
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I haven't seen the graphs, but from what I have seen, the figures should be pretty close down at the speeds most servers chips run. A little OT though, so pardon the digression.
 
Head1985 said:
BF1
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Interesting. The 7700k has better fps in that first clip, but it also has mucg better gpu utilization. However, the ryzen cpu is nowhere near maxed out on any given core.

All these benchmarks show the same ting. Wait for optimizations.
 
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All CPUs are at 4Ghz.
btw 6700k stock never boost more than 4Ghz when uses more than 1 core.So 6700k is at stock and 3570k is i think also oc.
I have 6700k and it NEVER boost more than 4Ghz in games.So it is OC ryzen and oc 3570k vs stock 6700k
 
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