Ryzen 5 2600 vs. Core i5-8400, 36 Game Benchmark Battle

[epsilon84]

But like you said, "simple and easy " is boring, we are enthusiast.

And memory overclocking is easy on Ryzen, even in some low end board like A320, I can oc the ram to 299, it's even have the preset, you just enter bios, select memory speed you desire and save, and what surprised me was asrock A320 have bclk oc in it, so you can increase the boost clock, but never tried it because the stock cooler kinda crap.

Its not hard per se, just time consuming since you have to stability test after a new set of timings.

I think the vast majority of Ryzen buyers will simply run their RAM at XMP settings and leave it at that, not knowing there are serious gains to be had with further tweaking.

Is this a good or bad thing? Personally I like it, but I'm not sure everyone shares my view on tweaking, which is why I said the 8400 is 'boring' but 'simply works well' for gaming out of the box, no tweaking required.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

And the i3-8350k is limited to DDR4-2400 at least according to intel...

Not on a Z370 board.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i3_8350K/4.html

 

[Markfw]

What is starting to annoy me about this thread, is that everybody is NOT discussing the subject of the test, using its parameters, and now its changed to a "Intel is best" defense.

You really need to discuss the original parameters, or make your own thread that talks about other CPU, and other memory settings, etc...

 

[Gikaseixas]

Very closely matched these two cpus but im going with the AMD due to its oc capabilities, 12 threads and longer platform support. Cant go wrong with it

 

[TheELF]

What is starting to annoy me about this thread, is that everybody is NOT discussing the subject of the test, using its parameters, and now its changed to a "Intel is best" defense.

You really need to discuss the original parameters, or make your own thread that talks about other CPU, and other memory settings, etc...

Subject, ryzen 5 2600 vs core i5-8400 (in a 36 Game Benchmark Battle)
parameters, is stock vs overclock performance
" we see that the Core i5-8400 was on average 13% faster than the stock Ryzen 5 2600. That’s not a huge margin but noteworthy enough. The frame time performance was closer but even here the 8400 was still 10% faster. Overclocking did hand Ryzen the advantage and now the 2600 was 7% faster for the 1% low result and 5% faster for the average frame rate. "

So yeah, please keep it on topic by not talking about intel or overclocking,only talk about on topic things like ryzen is capable of running console ports* without exploding.

*Games that are especially designed to run on 1-1.5Ghz retro CPUs...

 

[IEC]

Lower binned 2600X boxed processor with cooler is $169.99, and there is an additional $5 discount code active for OCN members
Silicon Lottery
Overclock.net forum post with $5 coupon code

$164.99 for a retail 2600X (i.e. with HSF) that didn't win the silicon lottery for overclocking - but is nonetheless guaranteed 4.1GHz or better if you do OC. If you plan to run it stock, that's a heck of a deal for 6c/12t.

The 2600X at stock should beat both the i5-8400 and the 2600 non-X. The better cooler and lower price are just nice bonuses.

 

[LTC8K6]

Lower binned 2600X boxed processor with cooler is $169.99, and there is an additional $5 discount code active for OCN members
Silicon Lottery
Overclock.net forum post with $5 coupon code

$164.99 for a retail 2600X (i.e. with HSF) that didn't win the silicon lottery for overclocking - but is nonetheless guaranteed 4.1GHz or better if you do OC. If you plan to run it stock, that's a heck of a deal for 6c/12t.

The 2600X at stock should beat both the i5-8400 and the 2600 non-X. The better cooler and lower price are just nice bonuses.

$169 is CPU only. It's $179 with the cooler. And the speed is only guaranteed with ram from their QVL list.

 

[LTC8K6]

What is starting to annoy me about this thread, is that everybody is NOT discussing the subject of the test, using its parameters, and now its changed to a "Intel is best" defense.

You really need to discuss the original parameters, or make your own thread that talks about other CPU, and other memory settings, etc...

I probably wouldn't pick the 8400 for the battle. I'd pick the 8500, one up from the bottom of Intel's i5 lineup.

8400>no AMD counterpart
8500>no AMD counterpart
8600>2600
8600K>2600X

 

[Gikaseixas]

I probably wouldn't pick the 8400 for the battle. I'd pick the 8500, one up from the bottom of Intel's i5 lineup.

8400>no AMD counterpart
8500>no AMD counterpart
8600>2600
8600K>2600X

That would put AMD in a unfavorable scenario don't you think?

Ryzen 2600 at $190 is positioned against the $180 i5 8400 and the $205 i5 8500
Ryzen 2600X at $210 is positioned against the $230 i5 8600 and the $245 i5 8600K

2600X also battles i5 8500 since they've a $5 dollar delta between them

Note: Newegg prices May 19 2018

 

[LTC8K6]

That would put AMD in a unfavorable scenario don't you think?

Ryzen 2600 at $190 is positioned against the $180 i5 8400 and the $205 i5 8500
Ryzen 2600X at $210 is positioned against the $230 i5 8600 and the $245 i5 8600K

2600X also battles i5 8500 since they've a $5 dollar delta between them

Note: Newegg prices May 19 2018

I said I'd pit the 8500 against the 2600, they are basically the same price.

Being the "value brand" can be somewhat unfavorable.

The 2600/8400/8500 are all the same price to me. $5 or $10 here or there, or discounts that can be had, or bundle deals...

Is the $35 difference between the 2600X and the 8600K significant in the overall price of a system? I guess that's each person's own call.

 

[Gikaseixas]

8400>no AMD counterpart
8500>no AMD counterpart
8600>2600
8600K>2600X

I was referring to this comparison. 8400 and 8500 AMD's counterpart is the 2600

Being the "value brand" can be somewhat unfavorable.

The value sku here is the 8400 and i bet that's why you feel the 8500 is a better match...

Is the $35 difference between the 2600X and the 8600K significant in the overall price of a system?

Sure it is, that's Samsung 3200mhz or higher B-die modules right there

 

[LTC8K6]

I only said "probably", what I'd actually pick would likely depend on the research done at the time I decide to buy and who I'm buying for. I tend to go with Intel systems for myself, but most of the people I build for don't have much money, so I have tended to build AMD systems for them. AMD APU systems have been unbeatable for low budgets.

 

[coercitiv]

I said I'd pit the 8500 against the 2600, they are basically the same price.

If $205 and $190 are basically the same price, then why not compare $205 8500 with $210 2600X?

 

[LTC8K6]

If $205 and $190 are basically the same price, then why not compare $205 8500 with $210 2600X?

I tend see the 8600K and the 2600X as the competitors at the top of that class.

Purely on price, yeah. The whole class of chips is close. Probably too close.

I would likely never buy the 2600 when the 2600X is so close in price.

I did buy an 8400 in October for $187 because it was all you could get, and I got the last one Amazon had for awhile, however it remains unused. Today I would never buy an 8400.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Subject, ryzen 5 2600 vs core i5-8400 (in a 36 Game Benchmark Battle)
parameters, is stock vs overclock performance
" we see that the Core i5-8400 was on average 13% faster than the stock Ryzen 5 2600. That’s not a huge margin but noteworthy enough. The frame time performance was closer but even here the 8400 was still 10% faster. Overclocking did hand Ryzen the advantage and now the 2600 was 7% faster for the 1% low result and 5% faster for the average frame rate. "

So yeah, please keep it on topic by not talking about intel or overclocking,only talk about on topic things like ryzen is capable of running console ports* without exploding.

*Games that are especially designed to run on 1-1.5Ghz retro CPUs...

The i5-8400 can't be overclocked, nor can it run memory speeds above DDR4-2666 except on a Z370 board.

Ryzen can run any game without exploding.

About 10 of the games tested aren't console ports.

No current-gen console CPU runs below 1.6GHz.

 

[PG]

Lower binned 2600X boxed processor with cooler is $169.99, and there is an additional $5 discount code active for OCN members
Silicon Lottery
Overclock.net forum post with $5 coupon code

$164.99 for a retail 2600X (i.e. with HSF) that didn't win the silicon lottery for overclocking - but is nonetheless guaranteed 4.1GHz or better if you do OC. If you plan to run it stock, that's a heck of a deal for 6c/12t.

The 2600X at stock should beat both the i5-8400 and the 2600 non-X. The better cooler and lower price are just nice bonuses.

At first I thought your price had to be a typo. Then I clicked the link and my jaw hit the floor. Those prices are cheaper than Microcenter.
No wonder they sold out so fast. All the AMD prices there are incredible. I'll have to pay attention to them a lot more.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The i5-8400 can't be overclocked, nor can it run memory speeds above DDR4-2666 except on a Z370 board.

Ryzen can run any game without exploding.

About 10 of the games tested aren't console ports.

No current-gen console CPU runs below 1.6GHz.

What's your point? Havent heard of any 8400s exploding either. 8400 *without any overclocking and with cheap ram* is faster than 2600 stock, and probably equal to 2600x stock. Pushing either 2600 or 2600x to the max with overclocking and better ram adds considerable cost, still leaving the 8400 a better value.

 

[Markfw]

What's your point? Havent heard of any 8400s exploding either. 8400 *without any overclocking and with cheap ram* is faster than 2600 stock, and probably equal to 2600x stock. Pushing either 2600 or 2600x to the max with overclocking and better ram adds considerable cost, still leaving the 8400 a better value.

Did you even watch the video ?

 

[IllogicalGlory]

What's your point? Havent heard of any 8400s exploding either. 8400 *without any overclocking and with cheap ram* is faster than 2600 stock, and probably equal to 2600x stock. Pushing either 2600 or 2600x to the max with overclocking and better ram adds considerable cost, still leaving the 8400 a better value.

I'm not arguing the 8400 may be a better choice, just correcting some blatant misinformation and distractions like the overclocking red herring, which is far afield of discussions regarding a non-overclockable CPU, "Ryzen may explode if it runs a non-console port" is a really dumb thing to insinuate, many of the games weren't console ports to begin with, and while console CPUs are slow, he still has to lie and exaggerate to make the point "better".

The post was just silly.

 

[coercitiv]

I tend see the 8600K and the 2600X as the competitors at the top of that class.

Well, AMD pretty much changed the status quo with it's offering.

I would likely never buy the 2600 when the 2600X is so close in price.

I wouldn't either, especially now that 2600X comes with a cooler that may actually be of some use to me, as opposed to the Wraith Stealth or Intel's box cooler. My hunch is the 2600 has one important purpose at the moment: push sales towards 2600X while also allowing 1600 inventory to clear. We'll probably see it drop in price a bit when the conditions are right.

I did buy an 8400 in October for $187 because it was all you could get, and I got the last one Amazon had for awhile, however it remains unused. Today I would never buy an 8400.

The one merit 8400 has over it's predecessors is it finally got rid of the "thrash" silicon label the i5 x400 had. The 8400 can actually compete with the faster bins, and even though I would also pick a 8500 instead, it's nice to know there's an even lower price bracket.

As a fun fact the 8400 is the second best selling CPU on Amazon atm, behind 8700K and ahead of 8600K. The R5 1600 is also an interesting data point, being ahead of 2600X while 2600 is well behind both of them.

 

[SPBHM]

i5 8400 is a massive improvement over the 7400 for the same money
7400 under full load would run at 3.3GHz, the 8400 runs at 3.8GHz, also max turbo from 3.5 to 4.1GHz, not to mention those 2 extra cores...


since sandy bridge the cheap i5s were stuck at 3-3.4GHz, until (Ryzen) Coffee lake...

 

[mikk]

Ryzen 5 2600 needs 4.2 Ghz, DDR4-3400 and 6 more threads to beat Intels i5-8400 by a small margin of 5%. Really impressive from Coffeelake and just confirms that AMD is still subpar in gaming with Pinnacle Ridge. Intel will extend its lead with Coffeelake 8C later this year.

 

[Markfw]

Ryzen 5 2600 needs 4.2 Ghz, DDR4-3400 and 6 more threads to beat Intels i5-8400 by a small margin of 5%. Really impressive from Coffeelake and just confirms that AMD is still subpar in gaming with Pinnacle Ridge. Intel will extend its lead with Coffeelake 8C later this year.

So AMD beats it in gaming for the same money, but its the one that is subpar ? Your logic escapes me.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I'm not arguing the 8400 may be a better choice, just correcting some blatant misinformation and distractions like the overclocking red herring, which is far afield of discussions regarding a non-overclockable CPU, "Ryzen may explode if it runs a non-console port" is a really dumb thing to insinuate, many of the games weren't console ports to begin with, and while console CPUs are slow, he still has to lie and exaggerate to make the point "better".

The post was just silly.

If you or Mark have data which proves anything I said in my post is incorrect, or a "lie" or exaggeration in regard to gaming applications , you are welcome to refute it with facts. And how is overclocking a red herring? It is actually a place where AMD has an advantage. If you want to ignore overclocking, the advantage is even more clear for the 8400.

Edit: A direct quote from the Techspot article:

The stock out of the box Ryzen 5 2600 performance can be achieved for roughly the same price as the budget Core i5-8400 build, and given the Intel CPU was faster overall this makes it the better value choice for gamers.

The overclocked configuration will require an upgraded cooler, but for the results shown here you’ll also need a quality motherboard and premium Samsung B-die memory. I priced all this up and you’ll be paying ~$420 for the Core i5-8400 platform, while the overclocked Ryzen build is more like $500 with a basic air-cooler.

So if you’re strictly gaming the 20% price premium of the overclocked Ryzen build can’t be easily justified for a 7% average gain. Alternatively, you could spend $500 on the Coffee Lake build and get the 8600K with a basic air cooler, enable MCE, and you’ve got an unstoppable gaming rig.

 

[Kenmitch]

@frozentundra123456

Shifting Intel to the value brand is the first step AMD needs to make. Everybody always says being the value brand isn't the best option.

Don't really have time to hunt down reviews....What happens to the cpus in the video if one wants to do some game streaming while playing?