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I want to build a max budget $850 work/1080p gaming pc - mostly shooters, to be able to play on HIGH or ULTRA settings - which processor would you recommend?
Yup, worth the extra money. There was a DDR4 3600 16GB kit for $70 yesterday, Gskill sniper I think. $100 B450 mobo, and which ever 1080p vid card you prefer, and you have a solid and inexpensive build. I saw a RX590 for under $200 that would go well with it.R5 3600 - it will be faster than both 2600X and 9400F.
I read this review of the 3600 (non X) and I have to say i would get the 3600X because my budget is higher but this review makes me think in real world gaming (those of use who are not competitive) we don't need anything better than this CPU for gaming. Obviously productivity apps may make people want the Ryzen 8-16 core parts but at 1440p this $200 CPU is a phenom!
I'd advise to budget on getting a 3rd party cooler, if you're thinking of getting a 3600X. The Wraith Stealth is fine, but to get the most out of a 3600X, you'd want something just a bit beefier.
At $200 the 3600non-X is a steal...! You even get the full 32MB L3. This performance level cost $360 just a week ago.
I don't know about the "guaranteed higher clocks". I put my 3600 into my Gigabyte B450 board, and it ran fairly hot, using a 65W TDP heatsink from an R3 1200 (looked mostly the same as the one included with the R5 3600). So I put a copper-cored 95W heatsink from an R5 1600 retail box on. Still, gets up to 95C, while crunching on 10/12 threads. Also have two RX 570 8GB dGPUs crunching too, mostly they're running 78C/83C max, so the CPU heats up a bunch, even with the 95W heatsink.
After continuous load for a few minutes, top all-core clocks are around 3.7-3.8Ghz. On a 3600 (which may be poorly binned, TBH).
I don't know about the "guaranteed higher clocks". I put my 3600 into my Gigabyte B450 board, and it ran fairly hot, using a 65W TDP heatsink from an R3 1200 (looked mostly the same as the one included with the R5 3600). So I put a copper-cored 95W heatsink from an R5 1600 retail box on. Still, gets up to 95C, while crunching on 10/12 threads. Also have two RX 570 8GB dGPUs crunching too, mostly they're running 78C/83C max, so the CPU heats up a bunch, even with the 95W heatsink.
After continuous load for a few minutes, top all-core clocks are around 3.7-3.8Ghz. On a 3600 (which may be poorly binned, TBH).
Yes, in a cubby.Are you running your PCs in a hutch or a cubby with limited airflow? Because those are really high temps on the GPUs as well...
Yes, in a cubby.
I recall when I had some Z170 / G4400 @ 4.0Ghz / 16GB DDR4 rigs, I had a pair, each with an HIS 7950 dGPU, that had a single central fan.
I tried combining both GPUs into one PC, and running them that way, they overheated pretty badly in the cubby.
So, I guess the same thing is happening here. I thought that RX 570 was new enough and ran cool enough to run dual cards without issues. But my ATX case doesn't have any top vents whatsoever.
Not exactly zero fresh air. The front of the cubby is completely open, where the dual 120mm intake fans are. And there's a few inches at the top, between the top of the PC case, and the upper shelf/top of cubby. The problem is, the back of the cubby, only has some smaller openings at the bottom and top rear, mostly for cable routing, and not airflow.so this has nothing to do with the case! you put it in a zero airflow situation so it has no fresh air!
I have mine in a full tower with that 120mm AIO you sent me and it hasn't cracked 50c yet, 49c is the highest I have seen so far with CPUz MT bench and 3DMark benching. I will see how it handles one of my 8hr Total War: Warhammer II session though, as that is the game that stresses my CPUs and VRMs the most.Not exactly zero fresh air. The front of the cubby is completely open, where the dual 120mm intake fans are. And there's a few inches at the top, between the top of the PC case, and the upper shelf/top of cubby. The problem is, the back of the cubby, only has some smaller openings at the bottom and top rear, mostly for cable routing, and not airflow.
This is compounded by the fact that the case has no top ventilation.
No need for a 3rd party cooler with the 3600X, it comes with the copper core heatsink Wraith Spire unlike the 3600 with its aluminum core heatsink Wraith Stealth. For the $50 difference between the 2, you are getting an increase in guaranteed clocks and a better heatsink (the fan is the same) with a 30W boost to TDP.
I'd like to add my thoughts:Not exactly zero fresh air. The front of the cubby is completely open, where the dual 120mm intake fans are. And there's a few inches at the top, between the top of the PC case, and the upper shelf/top of cubby. The problem is, the back of the cubby, only has some smaller openings at the bottom and top rear, mostly for cable routing, and not airflow.
This is compounded by the fact that the case has no top ventilation.
At 95C it is thermally constrained, hence those clocks.I don't know about the "guaranteed higher clocks". I put my 3600 into my Gigabyte B450 board, and it ran fairly hot, using a 65W TDP heatsink from an R3 1200 (looked mostly the same as the one included with the R5 3600). So I put a copper-cored 95W heatsink from an R5 1600 retail box on. Still, gets up to 95C, while crunching on 10/12 threads. Also have two RX 570 8GB dGPUs crunching too, mostly they're running 78C/83C max, so the CPU heats up a bunch, even with the 95W heatsink.
After continuous load for a few minutes, top all-core clocks are around 3.7-3.8Ghz. On a 3600 (which may be poorly binned, TBH).
Interesting.Another vote for the 3600, but the stock cooler is indeed pants. Running mine with an old wraith spire on ab350mpro4 in quite a fan filled case and it's quite happy to stay at 4.2ghz all core but I haven't tested it that much outside of cpuz and some games.
I have a stealth from my old 2400g and it's just a terrible piece of kit. It really hurts the 2600 and now the 3600. The new turbo specs really call for better coolers, expecially for home builders.
Interesting.
Techspot review shows they only were able to maintain 4 GHz or so with the Stealth on their Blender 1 hour test, 4.025 with PBO. With a beefier solution they got a 4.125 GHz maintenance and a peak of 4.210 GHz.
etc.
But my ATX case doesn't have any top vents whatsoever.