Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Alex Smith, David Carr

[maddogchen]

John Elway, man what a bust for Baltimore Colts. How many touchdowns or superbowls did he win for them? Like 0?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Deeko
Actually, VY had pretty good stats in college. Not Matt Leinart stats, but solid numbers. LenDale White was projected by many to go high in the 1st round last year (before he got fat), he's hardly a no-name RB, and won some bowl games himself.

The Titans are winning because their defense is playing great, and they're running the ball well. It isn't a case like the Steelers a few years ago where Roethlisberger managed the game well, VY practically tries to give the game away, lucky for him the rest of his team saves him.

lendale (that porker) wasnt even the 3rd most prominent person on his team. leinart, bush, jarrett, smith, etc.. usc would have been the same without him

roethlisberger had an pro bowler and sb mvp in hines ward, a stout running game and fierce defense... titans only had a good defense this year, lendale & chris brown < bettis and parker, and titan's best WR wouldnt start on any other team

its real easy to be a QB if youve got a strong running attack and an any-down receiver like ward

Mock White all you want, but a lot of people projected that he had potential to be a better NFL running back than Bush...at least before he showed up fat for the combine, haha. Say what you want about the Titans running game, it has been very good so far, and White has been a part of that.

You are correct, the Titans don't have any good WRs, but that doesn't change the fact that Young has played very poorly in 2007, regardless of the quality of WRs.

 

[BrownTown]

The "he just wins" argument is so tired, I dunno if you don't ever watch his games or what, but the Tennessee Defense is VERY solid, especially when everyone is healthy. Any meaningful objective analysis shows that Vince Young is terrible, like someone mentioned, Rex Grossman lead his team to the super bowl, does that mean he is great? HELL NO. And lets not forget that Vince Young hasn't ever started all the games this year, Kerry Collins started one and played much of another and he sucked too, but the defense still won the game.

 

[mooglemania85]

Todd Marinovich
Heath Shuler

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Each of these 4 Qbs was drafted #1 or #2 with big expectations, so far none of them have done diddly squat except suck real hard.

I put them in the following order of dissapointments:

1. Tim Couch - drafted number 1 but never really got anything going, turned into a backup and then out of the league. Then he got caught with steroids or something.
2. Alex Smith- yeah he's only three years into it but man, as a Niners fan, this guy sucks. I mean really sucks. Every throw is two feet above the receivers head or way wide of the target. He cant look off his primary receiver and frequently misses open guys.
3. Ryan Leaf- While he might be worse then the two above, he was drafted#2 instead of #1, giving him a small break
4. David Carr- Drafted number 1 and played OK on a bad Texans team for a long time, never really did anything special though.

There were some other big QB busts in the past few years, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, but for this purpose, only #1 or 2 draft picks count.

Peyton Manning wouldn't do any better than Alex Smith with the Niners OL.

Yeah he might do something stupid like throw 6 interceptions or something 🙂

<-- niners fan

That is about right. Alex smith can't stay healthy with the horrible pass protection.

Edit: And... as others mentioned, Smith has no WR's to throw to. To top it off, they are still running the Norv Turner offense with an O-coordinator who is not NFL ready. Norv Turner's O is just not fit for the NFL game unless you have fantastic talent.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Todd Marinovich
Heath Shuler

Nice call.

 

[The_Dude8]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Each of these 4 Qbs was drafted #1 or #2 with big expectations, so far none of them have done diddly squat except suck real hard.

I put them in the following order of dissapointments:

1. Tim Couch - drafted number 1 but never really got anything going, turned into a backup and then out of the league. Then he got caught with steroids or something.
2. Alex Smith- yeah he's only three years into it but man, as a Niners fan, this guy sucks. I mean really sucks. Every throw is two feet above the receivers head or way wide of the target. He cant look off his primary receiver and frequently misses open guys.
3. Ryan Leaf- While he might be worse then the two above, he was drafted#2 instead of #1, giving him a small break
4. David Carr- Drafted number 1 and played OK on a bad Texans team for a long time, never really did anything special though.

There were some other big QB busts in the past few years, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, but for this purpose, only #1 or 2 draft picks count.

Peyton Manning wouldn't do any better than Alex Smith with the Niners OL.

Yeah he might do something stupid like throw 6 interceptions or something 🙂

<-- niners fan

That is about right. Alex smith can't stay healthy with the horrible pass protection.

Edit: And... as others mentioned, Smith has no WR's to throw to. To top it off, they are still running the Norv Turner offense with an O-coordinator who is not NFL ready. Norv Turner's O is just not fit for the NFL game unless you have fantastic talent.

Norv Turner's offense suck donkey balls in San diego; with the talent norv turner has in SD with gates, LT, rivers, chambers, they can't score to save his head coaching job.

 

[ShockwaveVT]

norv turn is a great OC but a terrible head coach. classic peter principle example.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: Stifko
Why isn't Chad Pennington on that list? Carr is a lot better than him imho.

Pennington has had some injuries too.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
WECKS GROUSEMAN

He was first round....I think pick 20 or 22.

He's strictly average and I think his days in the spotlight are over for good. He never had great mechanics. He's just got above average arm strength that allows him to throw the ball well down the field. If he gets hurried, he can't make decent decsisions. Being from TN, I naturally hate him because of his college career.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Todd Marinovich
Heath Shuler

Nice call.

Total disappointment. He was amazing in college and ran into the same problem that Steve Spurrier did in the NFL. He learned that college to NFL are totally different games. When you get to the NFL, you better have either dead aim or know how to throw the ball in traffic. Peyton changed his style in the NFL....he stopped throwing risky passes (don't count the last game). He started throwing crossing routes, quickouts, and comebacks almost exclusively with few down the field strides unless he knew Harrison or Wayne have a mismatch.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Mike
Ryan Leaf has to be on top, that piece of shit was such a waste of a draft pick.

he's a psychopath to boot.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I would say Vince Young, he is easily the worst starting NFL quarterback I have ever seen although to be fair I haven't seen Tim Couch or some of these other people play. The part that really gets me are some people thing he is actually decent even though he is statistically (and also very clearly from watching) the worst quarterback in the league, sad for the Titans incredible defense that we have to be stuck with Vince Young.

He wins. I am not going to say he is great or even good but he wins. I think Bears would have been better off with him instead of Grossman, let me say that.

He does NOT win. The Titans win. Last year it was Travis Henry running and somehow the defense always seeming to pick up a crucial score.

The Titans have a tremendous defense and a very good Oline. But if the running game isn't going and the defense is off, there is zero probability that Vince Young will pick the team up on his shoulders.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Marinski
Also add Joey Harrington to the list

As a Falcons fan... I agree.

I REALLY had high hopes for him. I thought maybe he would turn around and be at least a decent QB since he was being given a chance at a full time starting QB job after playing some time for other teams. Kinda like its this or you play areana football. Looks like the Falcons will be using their 1st round draft pick on QB. 🙁

 

[miniMUNCH]

Decent take on Alex Smith

Like I said earlier... it is not all Alex's fault.

The niners Offensive system is crap on a stick.

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Decent take on Alex Smith

Like I said earlier... it is not all Alex's fault.

The niners Offensive system is crap on a stick.

he had a good season last year. i mean, he was scoring some serious points for my fantasy team, anyway.

so was gore, too. damn, i had a good fantasy team last year 😛

 

[IgorFL]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Decent take on Alex Smith

Like I said earlier... it is not all Alex's fault.

The niners Offensive system is crap on a stick.

Good article :thumbsup:

I'm so sick of coaches being stuck on implementing their "system" and "way of doing things" instead of tailoring their coaching style to maximize the talent available. Real coaching is finding a way to make players better and taking advantage of their unique abilities.

 

[Marinski]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Marinski
Also add Joey Harrington to the list

As a Falcons fan... I agree.

I REALLY had high hopes for him. I thought maybe he would turn around and be at least a decent QB since he was being given a chance at a full time starting QB job after playing some time for other teams. Kinda like its this or you play areana football. Looks like the Falcons will be using their 1st round draft pick on QB. 🙁

I'm in Detroit and I watched Joey play for 3 years. Hes a terrible QB. The thing that everybody was big on was his leadership ability. That all went out the window when players on the team started bad mouthing him publicly. He does have a decent arm but his accuracy is abysmal. Every thing is a 5-10 yard dump off pass. Occasionally you see him make a nice throw down field and you start to think hes not that bad, but then its back to the same ol.

 

[Nocturnal]

What about Matt Leinart? I think he is a bust. He isn't that great.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: ThePresence
The people who say Eli, Pennington and Vick are nuts.
Just because a guy didn't bring you a championship does not make him a bust.
Pennington had some great years with the Jets.

You guys are all nuts. 😛

Oh please, Pennington is a bum. He should be waiting tables with that former Dell pitchman kid. What did he do for the Jets? He has no arm. My mom can throw a football farther than him. Did he ever get them to the playoffs even?

yes he did. also he has a 89.1 career passer rating, which is very (not elite) good. also the guy is probably the most accurate passer in the league.

The most accurate passer in the league is a bench warmer for good reason.
When did he take them to the playoffs? I am not so sure he did.

I'm not a Pennington apologist but you don't seem to know anything about football, let alone the ability to look up recent football records and stats.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I would say Vince Young, he is easily the worst starting NFL quarterback I have ever seen although to be fair I haven't seen Tim Couch or some of these other people play. The part that really gets me are some people thing he is actually decent even though he is statistically (and also very clearly from watching) the worst quarterback in the league, sad for the Titans incredible defense that we have to be stuck with Vince Young.

He wins. I am not going to say he is great or even good but he wins. I think Bears would have been better off with him instead of Grossman, let me say that.

yup, at 6-3 so far for the season, Vince Young is definately not the flop that browntown describes.

Vince Young is on a winning team, but it has a lot more to do with that D than it does with his passing or running.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
What about Matt Leinart? I think he is a bust. He isn't that great.

He looked pretty good for a rookie last year. Started off a little slow, and the cardinals went to that strange QBBC system, and then he got hurt, so I'd say the jury is still out there.

Unless you're a Texas fan, if so, hate away!

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Deeko
Actually, VY had pretty good stats in college. Not Matt Leinart stats, but solid numbers. LenDale White was projected by many to go high in the 1st round last year (before he got fat), he's hardly a no-name RB, and won some bowl games himself.

The Titans are winning because their defense is playing great, and they're running the ball well. It isn't a case like the Steelers a few years ago where Roethlisberger managed the game well, VY practically tries to give the game away, lucky for him the rest of his team saves him.

lendale (that porker) wasnt even the 3rd most prominent person on his team. leinart, bush, jarrett, smith, etc.. usc would have been the same without him

roethlisberger had an pro bowler and sb mvp in hines ward, a stout running game and fierce defense... titans only had a good defense this year, lendale & chris brown < bettis and parker, and titan's best WR wouldnt start on any other team

its real easy to be a QB if youve got a strong running attack and an any-down receiver like ward

white was as important as bush if not more, reggie wouldn't have been as effective he was without lendale white

As far as Vince, he is a great athlete and in college he could use his athleticism more than complex plays , I think he will have to develop his passing game to be successful in the NFL,
the offense they ran down in Texas was pretty vanilla, even when he was passing he was throwing jump balls for his good receivers to go get.