RV670 ---------Radeon HD 3870 card high res photo

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: JPB
And I just noticed, I wonder why....

The RV670 thread has a 2 star rating ?

The 8800GT thread has a 4 star rating ?

it was a 0 star rating, but I gave it a 5 the other day to move it up to 2 star. get some of the others on here to give it 5 stars and it'll go up pretty fast!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JPB
And I just noticed, I wonder why....

The RV670 thread has a 2 star rating ?

The 8800GT thread has a 4 star rating ?

Why?

Because the thread ratings are totally meaningless
-there are many people who will give any thread a Zero if is good.

wow, maybe DAAMIT will not go quietly into the night after all...

impossible even if they were failing they would not go down without a fight ... but they are doing better than expected.
Good for them ... good for us ... good for nvidia too

 

[JPB]

Depending on these card's performance, I just may be using two of them for Crossfire.

 

[bryanW1995]

with crazy rumors flying around like "HD 3000" ati must be pretty confident that they are going to be competitive this time around. I personally think that hd2950x2xt has more of a ring to it, but what do I know

 

[Cookie Monster]

I dont like the new naming scheme at all.

Although the suffixes like XTX and XT etc got out of hand, using the naming scheme behind CPUs for GPUs is just plain weird.

 

[ronnn]

I gave the op 5 stars. :laugh: Anyways the silence of lack of new rumours regarding performance is a bit of a worry. If the cards were that great, I would expect a real benchmark or 2 to be leaked.

 

[apoppin]

i believe i understand why there are no leaks ... anything would tip AMD off and they could more easily adjust their clock speeds and perform performance-enhancing tweaks further in advance. As it is, aren't the nvidia cards supposed to launch 2 weeks ahead of AMD? Perhaps we will also see an AMD paper launch.

 

[bryanW1995]

it's pretty obvious that nvidia underestimated 2950 pro/3000000xxtxxx or whatever it's going to be called. that alone tells us that ati is going to at least be competitive this time around.

 

[JPB]

Thanks ronnn, LOL....

Updated again

 

[nonameo]

I don't think the clocks will be "in the works" anymore once they find out how fast the 8800GT is going to be. I think that is what they are really waiting for.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, this is going to be great for us. Nvidia was going to have a relatively slow 8800gt but found out that rv670 was looking strong, so they bumped up the clocks significantly, so much so that they had to examine and/or revise cooling recommendations for board partners. ATI was not going to get hammered again, so they decided to bump up THEIR clocks if necessary to ensure mid-range superiority. They can't both win, but WE can ALL win now.

 

[Dacalo]

Competition is awesome. I don't care which side offers superior product but the winner will get my $$.

 

[bryanW1995]

well, at least it looks like we're going back to what we've had in the past; ie, trading blows back and forth in performance. Now if DAAMIT can just clock phenom up to 3.5...

 

[JPB]

Updated OP !

 

[dennilfloss]

Thanks for the continuous updates.

 

[ViRGE]

The 3000 series for a die shrink?

*bangs head on desk repeatedly*

Nvidia still takes the cake with the "new" 8800GTS, but damn if AMD isn't trying to catch up.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 3000 series for a die shrink?

*bangs head on desk repeatedly*

Nvidia still takes the cake with the "new" 8800GTS, but damn if AMD isn't trying to catch up.

They've apparently done more than just a die shrink. AA performance and more is improved. Read some of the links (granted they may just be rumours).

 

[Stoneburner]

I dont understand what's going on. Both companies are not going overboard with clocks and memory amount, the typical type of refresh.

So what the hell are they doing? RV670, from the name alone, sounds like a midrange part. So what are they changing that would explain these rumors of substantial performance gain? Is ati doing something like the x1800 to x1900 jump?

 

[bryanW1995]

it appears that the 512 bit bus was overkill for r600. based on all the leaks, rumors, fud, etc, my computer estimates that there is a 98.1% chance that rv670 will outperform r600, be much less expensive to make, and also improve on the AA/AF weakness that has plagued r600. let's just say that nvidia isn't upgrading their gts lineup and bumping up the clocks on their gt because they just want to help out the consumer

 

[JPB]

OP Updated !

 

[dennilfloss]

/Looks at pic.

*South Park*

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice...

 

[thilanliyan]

"ATI's dark secret is that at maximal 825MHz the chip can gain additional 50+ Gigaflops but we still believe that RV670 has to lose to R600 in high resolution with FSAA and Aniso on due to its 256Mbit memory interface. "

This is from one of the links on the first page. I know it'll just be speculation but what is considered high resolution? 1920x1200 or that 25xx resolution? I currently have a 8800GTS 640 but wanna switch to the R670. My monitor does 1920x1200 and would like to keep running that res.

How much will the 256-bit memory interface affect it anyway? We've seen a lot of specs for the card but not a lot of numbers.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: thilan29
"ATI's dark secret is that at maximal 825MHz the chip can gain additional 50+ Gigaflops but we still believe that RV670 has to lose to R600 in high resolution with FSAA and Aniso on due to its 256Mbit memory interface. "

This is from one of the links on the first page. I know it'll just be speculation but what is considered high resolution? 1920x1200 or that 25xx resolution? I currently have a 8800GTS 640 but wanna switch to the R670. My monitor does 1920x1200 and would like to keep running that res.

How much will the 256-bit memory interface affect it anyway? We've seen a lot of specs for the card but not a lot of numbers.

Fuad is clueless, don't listen to any technical explanations he gives. There are many factors that determine AA and AF performance besides memory bandwidth, and higher resolutions stress the gpu just as much if not more than the memory system. A prime example is the 2900xt, with a 512-bit bus and unequaled memory bandwidth, and yet it suffers the biggest performance hit from AA and AF. If the rv670 incorporates enough updates on the gpu to improve AA and AF performance, then I am confident it will outrun a 2900xt at all resolutions.

 

[apoppin]

It is hard for me to get excited over conflicting info and speculative rumours.
- just with 2900xt's launch ... you have to actually wait for the launch and the benchmarks. This time i do not think either company will have major problem with drivers so we can make up our minds pretty quickly.

 

[bryanW1995]

this launch definitely "feels" differrent from r600, however. it was pretty obvious to all concerned that r600 was going to suck. it is pretty obvious now that DAAMIT is starting to get their ship righted and has nvidia directly in their sights. I think r670 is going to stomp all over 8800gt and challenge 8800gtx, but nvidia will still maintain their dominant market share just as intel did from 03-06. The only difference is that nvidia has to maintain their high-end lead and quickly retake the all-important middle ground because ati is a whole lot more competitive with them in marketing/distribution/manufacturing capability/etc than amd has even been with intel.