Russia wants '100% proof' N.Korea sunk ship

[AzN]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100527/wl_afp/skoreankoreamilitaryrussia

Bwahaha. Russia says FU USA!

That means Russia will veto any sanctions US terrorists want. LOL..

Funny how only pro western countries and slaves of the US were allowed to investigate the sunken SK ship. :hmm:

Here's another article everyone should read. Of course you have to have an open mind to read it. American muppets need not apply.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE26Dg01.html

Well this thread certainly got derailed by a pissing match

Anandtech Admin
Red Dawn

 

[frostedflakes]

I thought you were banned.

 

[AzN]

Don't be silly. American forum nazis can try to shut me up but they will not stop me from speaking truth or the whole situation in the matter.

All lies are bound by truth. Don't forget it you.

 

[Balt]

Welcome back.

100% proof of something has never existed, by the way. It's always possible, though extremely unlikely, that aliens who can perfectly replicate everything created by humans put that NK torpedo in the sunken boat. They should really settle for 99.9% proof.

 

[Lemon law]

At the same time China has made a small position change and stated they will view the evidence of N. Korean involvement on their own, and if the conclude that N. Korea done it, they will act according their own conclusions.

What the new China position means is Vague, but the implication is that China may have decided the current North Korean Leadership is becoming a Chinese liability.

 

[Pocatello]

China and Russia will do what they can to keep the N. Korean regime from total collapse. Without food and economic aids from S. Korea, a lot of North Korean civilians are going to starve. People are already seeing food shortages.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Don't be silly. American forum nazis can try to shut me up but they will not stop me from speaking truth or the whole situation in the matter.

All lies are bound by truth. Don't forget it you.

Well this American forum nazi can remove you from this forum in about 10 seconds. I suggest you stay on topic and avoid discussing moderation or else you'll find yourself preaching on other forums, not here.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At the same time China has made a small position change and stated they will view the evidence of N. Korean involvement on their own, and if the conclude that N. Korea done it, they will act according their own conclusions.

What the new China position means is Vague, but the implication is that China may have decided the current North Korean Leadership is becoming a Chinese liability.

I think China has found Kim to be somewhat entertaining as he's a thorn in the side of the West. With their economic ties to the US and other countries they really can't play the same games as did the USSR. That said, sometimes the loony on the leash gets to be more trouble than he's worth.

I'd say that Kims greatest threat isn't the US, but China if they feel he is a genuine threat to their interests.

 

[MotF Bane]

So, AzN, what do you make of the proof that South Korea and the United States have used to conclude North Korea sank the ship? Why would SK's people lie? The war will hurt them the most.

Or how about who else stands to benefit from faking evidence to indicate NK sank it? Here's an idea - nobody. SK will end up losing people in a war, USA military is already busy, China doesn't want a war on its border with a starving brainwashed people, Japan is within nuclear range... so who benefits?

Are you familiar with political statements? Russia wants 100% proof... they're hedging their bets. Same with China. Both countries are buying themselves time to consider their options. It's clear to everyone that North Korea is unstable, the people are starving, their leader is insane... but it is a nuclear state with a thoroughly brainwashed army.

Or is it somehow not clear to you that North Korea is unstable, the people are starving, and the leader is insane? He lives in opulence, the North Koreans starve. The army is one of the largest in the world, while the country is nearly broke. The news articles in North Korea tell a different story from every other country and organization in the world. Has it occurred to you that North Korea really isn't that lone beacon of truth? After a while, the evidence is simply overwhelming for such.

 

[Jaskalas]

Bwahaha. Russia says FU USA!

Yeah, we know who our enemies are who continue to prop up despot dictatorships that flaunt nuclear proliferation.

 

[Cogman]

At the same time China has made a small position change and stated they will view the evidence of N. Korean involvement on their own, and if the conclude that N. Korea done it, they will act according their own conclusions.

What the new China position means is Vague, but the implication is that China may have decided the current North Korean Leadership is becoming a Chinese liability.

China is definitely the more interesting case of the two. It used to be that they would unequivocally say "NK isn't at fault" The fact that they say they are going to look into it doesn't bode well for NK.

Considering NK's HEAVY reliance on china (something like 51% of their imports) news like this should really disturb them.

 

[Bateluer]

The article author

Kim Myong Chol is author of a number of books and papers in Korean, Japanese and English on North Korea, including Kim Jong-il's Strategy for Reunification. He has a PhD from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's Academy of Social Sciences and is often called an "unofficial" spokesman of Kim Jong-il and North Korea.

Of course, the spokesperson of the accused is going to deny it. Pretty much invalidates the entire article.

 

[alphatarget1]

LOL a phD from North Korea...

What I read today is China might not vote for any new sanctions, but they might not veto it this time around. They'll probably just abstain. I don't expect the Russians to be any different.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Well this American forum nazi can remove you from this forum in about 10 seconds. I suggest you stay on topic and avoid discussing moderation or else you'll find yourself preaching on other forums, not here.

You don't have the guts to ban him! :twisted:

You do not have the right to taunt moderators here and this is not your first or second time doing so. Enjoy your time off. We will.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Lemon law]

Like I have said in previous threads, our real goal should be North Korean regime change, not North Korean sanctions, because the latter can only hurt the already starving North Korean people.

It will end up with China as the decider, they and only they can kick the unpinning out from under the famdamily dictatorship of North Korea, and IMHO, Obama is doing the correct diplomatic things to give China many carrots and no sticks, to come to its own conclusions.

And if nothing else, even if North Korea somewhat gets away with it this time, they will still be under Chinese probation, and when they fuck up again which they will, China may be finally motivated to act to end all their support of North Korea.

The last thing China needs is a loose Canon on their border, especially when they can gain many Asian economic allies by throwing Kim Jong IL under a bus.

 

[AzN]

Honestly I think US sank SK ship. The evidence provided by US was somewhat silly. German made torpedo with Korean writing where Korean number 1 was spelled out very badly I might add. If NK wanted to hide the fact or even deny the fact why put writing in their torpedo and spell it like a foreigner would spell it? What's up with German torpedo? Here I thought US and her allies use German torpedo.

Look at all the American muppets chanting NK regime change. That's proof enough US was behind the attack to point their fingers NK.

 

[AzN]

Welcome back.

100% proof of something has never existed, by the way. It's always possible, though extremely unlikely, that aliens who can perfectly replicate everything created by humans put that NK torpedo in the sunken boat. They should really settle for 99.9% proof.

Fact is it was a German torpedo. :hmm:

 

[ProfJohn]

Honestly I think US sank SK ship. The evidence provided by US was somewhat silly. German made torpedo with Korean writing where Korean number 1 was spelled out very badly I might add. If NK wanted to hide the fact or even deny the fact why put writing in their torpedo and spell it like a foreigner would spell it? What's up with German torpedo? Here I thought US and her allies use German torpedo.

Look at all the American muppets chanting NK regime change. That's proof enough US was behind the attack to point their fingers NK.

No one is chanting regime change.

Go look at our threads about this incident. Most of us acknowledge that a war between the north and south could be very deadly. And for what gain? Just to remove the minor pain in the ass that Kim is?

The US would be better off if we never heard from Kim and NK again.

 

[AzN]

The article author



Of course, the spokesperson of the accused is going to deny it. Pretty much invalidates the entire article.

So now if NK accused US of sinking SK ship then that article is valid.

Seriously you don't want to hear anything besides yahoo and fox 5 news who are pro US and her allies. Face the facts. You only want to hear yourself talk cause your side is always telling the truth.

 

[Infohawk]

So now if NK accused US of sinking SK ship then that article is valid.

Seriously you don't want to hear anything besides yahoo and fox 5 news who are pro US and her allies. Face the facts. You only want to hear yourself talk cause your side is always telling the truth.

AZN, what can the US do to make this right?

 

[AzN]

AZN, what can the US do to make this right?

Take your troops out of Korea. Go home! Take your ESL teachers and your policies with you.

 

[ProfJohn]

Take your troops out of Korea. Go home! Take your ESL teachers and your policies with you.

Let's make a deal.

You go back to Korea and then we'll talk about removing our troops.

 

[Cogman]

Honestly I think US sank SK ship. The evidence provided by US was somewhat silly. German made torpedo with Korean writing where Korean number 1 was spelled out very badly I might add. If NK wanted to hide the fact or even deny the fact why put writing in their torpedo and spell it like a foreigner would spell it? What's up with German torpedo? Here I thought US and her allies use German torpedo.

Look at all the American muppets chanting NK regime change. That's proof enough US was behind the attack to point their fingers NK.

Ohh, I see, you're one of the crazy conspiracy theorists. It all make sense now!

 

[Brainonska511]

It wasn't a German torpedo fired by an American sub. It was thermite on the S. Korean ship planted by Obama himself.

 

[Lemon law]

I should edit my comment to non violent regime change in North Korea. The fact is that its only China that keeps Kim Jong IL in power, and without Chinese support, the North Korean government would collapse like a house of cards.

As it is this incident comes at the correct moment in history, Kim Jong IL is dying, and if left alone, the North Korea government would be led by Kim's unknown 20 something year old son, or fall to a military takeover. The latter could not succeed without Chinese complicity and would solve little, letting sonny boy to follow in his daddy's footsteps would also solve nothing for China, and the other option of China simply annexing North Korea would not set well with the rest of the world.

For China, the best option might be for Sonny boy to take over, have China advocate a
a Korean unification under South Korea, have China and the West bribe South Korea to undertake a Marshall type plan to modernize North Korea, and then it becomes a win win win for everyone. Sonny boy gets some political plum post with all the ribbons he can cut, and China becomes an international good guy while gaining economic ties and trade relations with all its neighbors while losing a loose Canon on its borders.

Or alternately, China might work with Sonny boy, demand that North Korea get a civilian international trade based economy, and China still wins and everyone else wins also.

The only lose lose situation we now have is the current North Korean failed State that not only can't feed its own people, it also benefits none of its neighbors.