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kage69

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Newsom ain't perfect but he's damn right about how to take Trump on, doing it with skill I might add. I'm all for 'fighting fire with fire' in this respect.

It was proper for Dems to want commissions to do the districts, but that only works if the other side isn't a bunch of rat bastards. And of course, we're dealing with people who will vote for a coup. So yeah, time to get off the pulpit, into the mud with the Russia colluding pedo worshipers. Let's do this. Outlaw gerrymandering when sanity and Dem control of Congress happens. They all want to do it, unlike the GQP.
 
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kage69 said:
Newsom ain't perfect but he's damn right about how to take Trump on, doing it with skill I might add. I'm all for 'fighting fire with fire' in this respect.

It was proper for Dems to want commissions to do the districts, but that only works if the other side isn't a bunch of rat bastards. And of course, we're dealing with people who will vote for a coup. So yeah, time to get off the pulpit, into the mud with the Russia colluding pedo worshipers. Let's do this. Outlaw gerrymandering when sanity and Dem control of Congress happens. They all want to do it, unlike the GQP.
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I used to believe that the majority of working class Americans want a stable, honestly led gov't that they can rely on to take care of their security and welfare. But that was then and it looks like the more Trump and his corporate owned and operated legislators and judges run the country to their liking, the more willing more and more Americans will be to accept this normalizing of the totally corrupted strong armed beat down of Our Constitution that Trump and his ilk are cramming down the throats of your average American wage earner.
 
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trenchfoot said:
I used to believe that the majority of working class Americans want a stable, honestly led gov't that they can rely on to take care of their security and welfare.
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Perhaps they did once. Before propaganda corrupted them to work against their own self interests. To destroy our very institutions. To tax themselves into oblivion. To end free market capitalism as they once cherished. These fallen Americans cannot be reasoned with. They must be conquered.

We do not want to go the way of the Russian. For they too surrendered to an autocracy. To tyranny. Then one day the madness of corruption lead them to become meat for headlong assaults. Americans too will share this fate if we do not rise up and overthrow evil.
 
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I wonder if there's a point where the value of the ruble will simply fall off a cliff and if that event is anywhere close to happening. My pet schadenfreude would like to know.
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Well it did late last year, and then the Russia Central Bank pulled a couple of levers to create an artificial demand for Rubles. But the Russia Budget needs coins... so letting the currency float higher means more oopmh for the little oil and gas they can sell. Unfortunately this might kill non-fossil fuel exports leading to a worsening state of their economy. It also means higher inflation since many of their needs are imports.

They will probably do it as slowly as they can to avoid sending shocks through their economy.
 
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Ukrainian artillery production north of 30 units a month, between SPGs and towed. It has been quite a while since I read about any problematic tube shortages so they are meeting their ongoing needs natively. Whenever the major combat ends at this kind of rate they could totally replace their ex Soviet caliber guns in short order, which I am sure is a goal.

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Yeah I think Putin is doing his usual. We don't know what has been promised in China from Modi or Xi. Maybe Putin is feeling bullish. Maybe its a bluff. I can't see China being happy in being in war against Europe. It sorta kinda threatens their export markets. However many Euro companies have significant assets in China, so...

There is also the other calculus with Taiwan that the Europeans will have in mind. Will building export walls encourage or discourage a military Taiwanese takeover? If massive unemployment hits China, Xi may be 'expansive' in his foreign diplomacy efforts in an attempt to concentrate his people's minds not on their financial states but rather on the might and power of the Chinese state instead.

Nationalism is shitty unpredictable elephant to ride. But when the people are down and out, it can be an effective tool to lead them to put blame not on the Chinese leadership, but on the evil Western styled governments... like the one just over the Taiwan Strait.
 
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In this report, it looks like Russia's reliance on winter weather to punish the Ukrainians is going to backfire on them as the AFU is preparing their winter campaign to do what Russia did to defeat their enemies in previous wars:

 
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Heh, goooood morning Beijing!

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They've got some real talent on the job that's for sure. If the EU can get it's shit together and give Ukraine a big chunk of the 190b in frozen Russian assets Belgium is holding, I bet these people could be instrumental in making Russia tap, sooner rather than later. SBMs in quantity would speed things up I'd say.

Very curious to know the cost per missile there. Still can't believe a Flamingo runs about 50k. That's insane ROI for a 1 ton warhead that can travel 3000km. That's less than half the cost of a single Shahed.
 
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kage69 said:
They've got some real talent on the job that's for sure. If the EU can get it's shit together and give Ukraine a big chunk of the 190b in frozen Russian assets Belgium is holding, I bet these people could be instrumental in making Russia tap, sooner rather than later. SBMs in quantity would speed things up I'd say.

Very curious to know the cost per missile there. Still can't believe a Flamingo runs about 50k. That's insane ROI for a 1 ton warhead that can travel 3000km. That's less than half the cost of a single Shahed.
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Thought I recall the Flamingo costing about 500K. Which for its capability is still a major bargain.
 
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Thought I recall the Flamingo costing about 500K. Which for its capability is still a major bargain.
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From looking at the physical and psychological damage those missiles can create toward Putin's ability to finance his laughable 3 Day SMO, I'd agree the cost per is bargain basement pricing. As well, accomplishments like this is in a way Zelenskyy's payback to Trump for siding with Putin in this war. Although in relative terms what seems to be ages ago, it personally pisses me off to no end every time I recollect how Trump and Vance ambushed Zelenskyy in such an embarrassing way at that meeting in the Oval Office. So to me in every way small and large, Zelenskyy proving to Trump that Ukraine's AFU is fully capable of successfully resisting his and Putin's allied efforts at wiping out Ukraine as an independent sovereign democracy are significant victories in Ukraine's favor.
 
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K1052 said:
Thought I recall the Flamingo costing about 500K. Which for its capability is still a major bargain.
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Apologies, you are correct. I was mistaking it for the price of the FP-1. Looking around now all I see is "less than a million."

As you say, doesn't change the bargain status really does it? That is still far cheaper than a Kaliber.
 
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