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kage69

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Euros need to talk money and go heavy on the flattery, give him the two things he covets most in life, two things Russia can't provide (to the degree Trump wants anyway). They need to hammer home the fact that it's Ukrainian civilians who are being murdered, not Russian civilians. Set it up so Trump is the hero who gets to take credit for civilians not dying. Dangle some personal legacy tidbits in front of him, Ukrainians like renaming things after America. Let there be a Trump Blvd somewhere. Throw in a city square. Show him how credit gets to him, how all of this will unpin development and money heading to the US.

And then when Russian missiles hit those places, makes sure Trump see his name on something that's charred and flecked with frag.

We've got to stick to simple image and concepts for this guy. He's got like 6 brain cells left, sometimes it takes awhile to locate 2 that can be rubbed together to produce a cogent thought.
 
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kage69 said:
Euros need to talk money and go heavy on the flattery, give him the two things he covets most in life, two things Russia can't provide (to the degree Trump wants anyway). They need to hammer home the fact that it's Ukrainian civilians who are being murdered, not Russia civilians. Set it up so Trump is the hero who gets to take credit for civilians not dying. Dangle some personal legacy tidbits in front of him, Ukrainians like renaming things after America. Let there be a Trump Blvd somewhere. Throw in a city square. Show him how credit gets to him, how all of this will unpin development and money heading to the US.

And then when Russian missiles hit those places, makes sure Trump see his name on something that's charred and flecked with frag.

We've got to stick to simple image and concepts for this guy. He's got like 6 brain cells left, sometimes it takes awhile to locate 2 that can be rubbed together to produce a cogent thought.
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Just tell him he gets the Nobel Peace Prize if he backs Ukraine until they win.
 
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It's depressing to see Trump embarrass America like this with his subservience to Putin.


But then I see what the AFU has been doing around Sumy and Pokrovsk and I feel better. Another point of happiness - Ukraine has expanded strikes into the Caspian. They just sank a Russian cargo ship loaded with Iranian weapons, little hi how are ya right before Trump's vigorous handjob in Alaska.


"The cargo vessel that was hit was the 400-foot-long, 4,900-gross-ton Port Olya-4, and imagery from the port shows the ship partially submerged, while it was alongside at anchor. Extensive scorch marks on the bridge and superstructure of the Russia-flagged vessel suggest that this was the likely point of impact. Unconfirmed reports, relayed by Ambrey, suggested that all of the crew had been rescued."

"Subsequently, Russian authorities confirmed a drone attack on Olya. The governor of the Astrakhan region stated that all the drones had been “suppressed by electronic warfare or destroyed [and] no damage was caused to the port infrastructure… [but] a ship was damaged by debris from a downed UAV.”


Damn that burning debris
 
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Paratus said:
Just tell him he get the Nobel Peace Prize if he backs Ukraine until they win.
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Shit. I want the Euros to unveil the design of a Hero of Europe Nobel medal! Which no one else has. Make it gold and platinum, big and gawdy, give it some rich story, emphasize only 1 exists. Watch the brain damaged kid in that guy just fall in love with the idea of getting something Biden didn't acheive.

Throw in something like 'Oh yeah when you're the Hero of Europe, St. Andrews names a course after you.' Scots will play along, trust me. :grin:




Heh, AFU would recieve hundreds of PrSM missiles within 48hrs. C-17s would choke their airspace.
 
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Being the Narcissist in Chief, all Trump wants out of this haggling is his Nobel Prize. Anything else that occurs in relation to this Nobel obsession of his is being driven by it. This manipulating of international politics by Trump in order to acquire his shiny medal is reason enough for refusing to award him with it. Having a peace deal being struck between Russia and Ukraine is only a byproduct of what Trump really wants out of his efforts in this regard. He has proven beyond doubt that he's just that kind of guy.
 
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Just in case anyone needs a status update...

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So there is absolutely no basis for Ukraine to give up land just because Trump and Putin thinks its a good idea. The territorial gains and the disparity in losses simply does not support it.

The Europeans needs to find their backbone and simply disregard anything Trump does in this space. As long as the Europeans can buy patriots and ammo for Ukraine, just ignore Trump and his quest for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Is that like a 14 to 1 kill ratio in favor of Ukraine?
 
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Brovane said:
Is that like a 14 to 1 kill ratio in favor of Ukraine?
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Not quite as high as that. Trump's Ukrainian numbers don't count any missing Ukrainian soldiers. 10:1... maybe 12:1?

But it does mean that Ukraine should be building a reserve force behind the front lines. England alone is training 10k soldiers every 3 months. I believe there are other training operations running in parallel.

It would not surprise me if Ukraine is able to launch a surprise attack and recapture southern Ukraine and put pressure on recapturing Crimea. The Donbas will be much harder.
 
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mostly for novelty sake: putin body double was the one sent to alaska. so turdump fawned over some shlub who was just happy to get to leave russia for the first time.
basis is facial differences and general demeanor with the lack of known putin behaviors.
 
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Oh fark me Trump is a manchild. He is already sulking and bitchin' because the adults are coming to waggle their fingers at him due to his shithouse performance with Putin....

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Jaskalas

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RnR_au said:
Oh fark me Trump is a manchild. He is already sulking and bitchin' because the adults are coming to waggle their fingers at him due to his shithouse performance with Putin....
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Forcing Europe to surrender to Vlad the Butcher's genocidal crusade is Trump's only agenda. Always has been.
Trump has ONLY ever attacked and taken action against Ukraine.
 
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I'll add this. Leaders of Europe really shouldn't be coming to a hostile nation like the United States.
Nothing good can come out of Zelensky meeting Trump or the White House.

Trump will rapidly attack the last vestiges of cooperation. Such as our intel sharing.
By next year, he will actively plot ways to harm Europe economically unless they bow to Russia.
Europe has been rapidly developing its own satellite and intel program. Now is the time to use them. They cannot rely on the enemy.
 
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Some analysis and points....

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1) Ukraine already had US security guaranties via the Budapest Memorandum. Didn't really count for much.
2) Putin will never meet with Zelenskyy. Putin doesn't acknowledge Ukrainian sovereignty and Zelenskyy as its President.
3) Trump wants a peace deal. He doesn't care what it costs.

So I sincerely hope that Ukraine and Europe has a plan B. They really need to go it mostly alone and treat the USA as a military hardware store and hope that Trump will keep its intel flowing and keep the Russian banks from the Swift network.
 
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There needs to be a plan B, because giving into Russian demands, means in max 5 years Ukraine will face war with Russia again.
 
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