Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[pauldun170]

I am not following what you mean by "naughty document"

Sorry.
The off the record plan between Churchill and Stalin to divided up Europe post ww2.

 

[Jaskalas]

1. So?
2. You dont think Europe has armies?

First, you call for regime change in Russia.
That has never been a goal of mine, as you do not existentially threaten nuclear powers. Unless you want everyone to die, you don't force MAD.

So I... (hope I have made it clear over the years) call for striking Russian forces when they set foot outside of Russia. In addition, retaliatory bombings, missile / drone strikes. Whatever amount of force leaves Russia is returned in kind. This achieves security and deterrence. Then they can do fuck all inside Russia, long as we teach them to leave everyone else alone. Via force.

Second, European nations have armies. "Europe" does not. They are each small, they are divided. Some of them are on Russia's side. Others risk heading that direction via political manipulation. None of them are matching the full scale industrial war in Ukraine. Russia is militarily and economically mobilized for total war. Any nation not matching that has no intention of taking the threat seriously. Thus far, Ukraine has stood alone for 3 years.

The value Europe places on defending itself does not meet the challenge set before it.

 

[cytg111]

First, you call for regime change in Russia.
That has never been a goal of mine, as you do existentially threaten nuclear powers. Unless you want everyone to die, you don't force MAD.

So I... (hope I have made it clear over the years) call for striking Russian forces when they set foot outside of Russia. In addition, retaliatory bombings, missile / drone strikes. Whatever amount of force leaves Russia is returned in kind. This achieves security and deterrence. Then they can do fuck all inside Russia, long as we teach them to leave everyone else alone. Via force.

Second, European nations have armies. "Europe" does not. They are each small, they are divided. Some of them are on Russia's side. Others risk heading that direction via political manipulation. None of them are matching the full scale industrial war in Ukraine. Russia is militarily and economically mobilized for total war. Any nation not matching that has no intention of taking the threat seriously. Thus far, Ukraine has stood alone for 3 years.

The value Europe places on defending itself does not meet the challenge set before it.

A regime change in Russia can be achieved by continuing to cripple their infrastructure, and hammer their economy, you dont have to put boots on Russian soil.

Yes "Europe" do. Most of them are already used to work together via NATO, it's not something you'd have to build up from zero. You'd just need a mission.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

I gotta say, watching this thread over the past month has been pure entertainment. The sheer levels of panic, rage, and copium could power a small city.

And when the dust settles, Russia’s stock market will skyrocket, the ruble will be doing backflips, and they’ll be swimming in cash from lifted sanctions. On top of that, they’ll walk away with 25% of Ukraine, probably throw a victory parade in Moscow, and maybe even get a discount on European gas pipelines for the trouble. Meanwhile, EU leaders will be left scratching their heads, writing strongly worded letters, and pretending this wasn’t exactly what they swore would never happen.

 

[cytg111]

I gotta say, watching this thread over the past month has been pure entertainment. The sheer levels of panic, rage, and copium could power a small city.

And when the dust settles, Russia’s stock market will skyrocket, the ruble will be doing backflips, and they’ll be swimming in cash from lifted sanctions. On top of that, they’ll walk away with 25% of Ukraine, probably throw a victory parade in Moscow, and maybe even get a discount on European gas pipelines for the trouble. Meanwhile, EU leaders will be left scratching their heads, writing strongly worded letters, and pretending this wasn’t exactly what they swore would never happen.

70B € says you're an idiot.

 

[silverspaceship]

If we manage to drive their economy into the ground to the point that common folk cant buy bread, something will break.

Every European country should get into wartime production of drones right about now.

It will still take time, their economy will not collapse instantly. As we can see, 3 years of war have not broken them yet. And if you think that the collapse of the economy alone will be enough, then you don't know Russia well.

 

[silverspaceship]

I gotta say, watching this thread over the past month has been pure entertainment. The sheer levels of panic, rage, and copium could power a small city.

And when the dust settles, Russia’s stock market will skyrocket, the ruble will be doing backflips, and they’ll be swimming in cash from lifted sanctions. On top of that, they’ll walk away with 25% of Ukraine, probably throw a victory parade in Moscow, and maybe even get a discount on European gas pipelines for the trouble. Meanwhile, EU leaders will be left scratching their heads, writing strongly worded letters, and pretending this wasn’t exactly what they swore would never happen.

As terrifying as it may sound, this scenario is quite real. If the United States is willing to end the war at any cost and Europe remains helpless, then that's pretty much how it will play out.

I think I've already seen the news somewhere that Russia is preparing a "peace concert" for the end of the summer.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

It will still take time, their economy will not collapse instantly. As we can see, 3 years of war have not broken them yet. And if you think that the collapse of the economy alone will be enough, then you don't know Russia well.

Iran has been under sanctions for over 40 years, and yet, somehow, they still haven’t collapsed. Why? Because they have a ridiculous amount of energy literally. When you’re sitting on massive oil and gas reserves (you know, the stuff every country actually needs to function), no amount of strongly worded sanctions is going to break you. Western leaders keep slapping on new restrictions like it’s a video game DLC pack, and Iran just shrugs, finds a new buyer, and keeps the oil flowing. Meanwhile, countries without energy are out here rationing power, debating whether to turn on their heaters in the winter, and wondering why their economies are struggling. Funny how that works.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Iran has been under sanctions for over 40 years, and yet, somehow, they still haven’t collapsed. Why? Because they have a ridiculous amount of energy literally. When you’re sitting on massive oil and gas reserves (you know, the stuff every country actually needs to function), no amount of strongly worded sanctions is going to break you. Western leaders keep slapping on new restrictions like it’s a video game DLC pack, and Iran just shrugs, finds a new buyer, and keeps the oil flowing. Meanwhile, countries without energy are out here rationing power, debating whether to turn on their heaters in the winter, and wondering why their economies are struggling. Funny how that works.

I know the various westerners on this board have put up with your inane horseshit for the last few years, but you should really keep your idiot fucking mouth shut when talking to an actual Ukrainian.

 

[silverspaceship]

I know the various westerners on this board have put up with your inane horseshit for the last few years, but you should really keep your idiot fucking mouth shut when talking to an actual Ukrainian.

Perhaps I don't know something, but there's a grain of truth in his words. I believe our main task right now is to prevent Russia (the aggressor) from emerging victorious. If there will be a "conflict freeze", while Russia continues to be pumped with money, we'll very soon see a new (old) war in Europe.

 

[silverspaceship]

Iran has been under sanctions for over 40 years, and yet, somehow, they still haven’t collapsed. Why? Because they have a ridiculous amount of energy literally. When you’re sitting on massive oil and gas reserves (you know, the stuff every country actually needs to function), no amount of strongly worded sanctions is going to break you. Western leaders keep slapping on new restrictions like it’s a video game DLC pack, and Iran just shrugs, finds a new buyer, and keeps the oil flowing. Meanwhile, countries without energy are out here rationing power, debating whether to turn on their heaters in the winter, and wondering why their economies are struggling. Funny how that works.

Resources are not the only thing keeping Iran afloat.

 

[DZero]

70B € says you're an idiot.

USA will have another word... that's the issue. An alliance US and Russia will mark the end of Europe and even China and India.

 

[K1052]

Reports that EU nations will announce military aid between 6-10 billion Euros next week as an immediate measure.

EU leaders meeting again tomorrow to discuss other steps.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh look at that. Russia rejects any and all security guarantees for Ukraine.
They will refuse to stop if there is no easy path to resuming from a far stronger position later.
We always knew it, but it is nice of Russia to openly state this.

Russia won't accept Nato troops in Ukraine as part of any peace deal, says Lavrov - BBC News​

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Perhaps I don't know something, but there's a grain of truth in his words. I believe our main task right now is to prevent Russia (the aggressor) from emerging victorious. If there will be a "conflict freeze", while Russia continues to be pumped with money, we'll very soon see a new (old) war in Europe.

Most bullshit has a grain of truth in it, that's intentional.

 

[K1052]

Meanwhile, countries without energy are out here rationing power, debating whether to turn on their heaters in the winter, and wondering why their economies are struggling. Funny how that works.

The only place this actually describes is like Transnistria who's patron is Moscow lol

 

[DZero]

Oh look at that. Russia rejects any and all security guarantees for Ukraine.
They will refuse to stop if there is no easy path to resuming from a far stronger position later.
We always knew it, but it is nice of Russia to openly state this.

Russia won't accept Nato troops in Ukraine as part of any peace deal, says Lavrov - BBC News​

So, a war between Russia and USA vs Europe is certain!

 

[cytg111]

USA will have another word... that's the issue. An alliance US and Russia will mark the end of Europe and even China and India.

I dont see it. USA + RU = USA ...

The only thing that cant be allowed right now is to give Putin a pause to reup.

 

[DZero]

I dont see it. USA + RU = USA ...

The only thing that cant be allowed right now is to give Putin a pause to reup.

RU can give food, fuel and dead meat for USA, USA can sell weapons and make their oligarchs richer.

 

[misuspita]

NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com)

🇺🇸 CNN poll shows just 8% of Americans view Russia positively—on par with those who think the moon landing was fake. 61% see Russia as an enemy, and only 4% as a partner. Only 9% like Putin, with the same percentage believing the Earth is flat. 52% support Ukraine using U.S. weapons in Russia.

bsky.app

Neah, I don't think USA can be allied with Russia just yet. Population doesnt support this and no matter what, it will topple the Trump regime. In the future, when enough propaganda was poured in them, maybe, but I dont see this happening now.

 

[Roger Wilco]

NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com)

🇺🇸 CNN poll shows just 8% of Americans view Russia positively—on par with those who think the moon landing was fake. 61% see Russia as an enemy, and only 4% as a partner. Only 9% like Putin, with the same percentage believing the Earth is flat. 52% support Ukraine using U.S. weapons in Russia.

bsky.app

Neah, I don't think USA can be allied with Russia just yet. Population doesnt support this and no matter what, it will topple the Trump regime. In the future, when enough propaganda was poured in them, maybe, but I dont see this happening now.

It’s probably safe to assume that Russians fucking hate America. They’ve been on the receiving end of our shit for years.

Russian state propaganda hasn’t exactly been sowing the seeds of love either.

 

[dank69]

USA will have another word... that's the issue. An alliance US and Russia will mark the end of Europe and even China and India.

The only thing the US gains from any alliance is a proxy. Plausible deniability. The only reason we would need an alliance with RU would be if we want to fuck shit up. Give Russia the technology to actually subjugate all of Europe and stand on the sidelines denying any involvement. Let Russia deal with the resistance and backlash and all that comes with it while collecting our cut, casualty free.

That said, I believe many people Trump has surrounded himself with do indeed want to fuck shit up.

 

[feralkid]

The only thing the US gains from any alliance is a proxy. Plausible deniability. The only reason we would need an alliance with RU would be if we want to fuck shit up. Give Russia the technology to actually subjugate all of Europe and stand on the sidelines denying any involvement. Let Russia deal with the resistance and backlash and all that comes with it while collecting our cut, casualty free.

That said, I believe many people Trump has surrounded himself with do indeed want to fuck shit up.

So like, we'd be the Mob Boss and Russia our "torpedoes"

Doesn't really sound like something Trump would do.

 

[Brovane]

First, you call for regime change in Russia.
That has never been a goal of mine, as you do existentially threaten nuclear powers. Unless you want everyone to die, you don't force MAD.

So I... (hope I have made it clear over the years) call for striking Russian forces when they set foot outside of Russia. In addition, retaliatory bombings, missile / drone strikes. Whatever amount of force leaves Russia is returned in kind. This achieves security and deterrence. Then they can do fuck all inside Russia, long as we teach them to leave everyone else alone. Via force.

Second, European nations have armies. "Europe" does not. They are each small, they are divided. Some of them are on Russia's side. Others risk heading that direction via political manipulation. None of them are matching the full scale industrial war in Ukraine. Russia is militarily and economically mobilized for total war. Any nation not matching that has no intention of taking the threat seriously. Thus far, Ukraine has stood alone for 3 years.

The value Europe places on defending itself does not meet the challenge set before it.

What is the GDP of Russia($2 Trillion), what it the GDP of the EU($20 Trillion).

The EU doesn't have to be economically mobilized for total war to prevent Russia from terrorizing their neighbors.

 

[you2]

The only thing the US gains from any alliance is a proxy. Plausible deniability. The only reason we would need an alliance with RU would be if we want to fuck shit up. Give Russia the technology to actually subjugate all of Europe and stand on the sidelines denying any involvement. Let Russia deal with the resistance and backlash and all that comes with it while collecting our cut, casualty free.

That said, I believe many people Trump has surrounded himself with do indeed want to fuck shit up.

You are answering the wrong question; it isn't what USA gains it is what Trump gains...