Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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zinfamous

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Nazis were a specific group, tied to a particular era and context. I wouldn't make a blanket statement that the Republicans are literally Nazis. A very large proportion of them are bigoted authoritarians who could easily end up supporting a fascist regime, though. But I doubt murderous despotism will present in exactly the same form as last time round.

Not least there's the way much of the contemporary far-right seems to hate Muslims more than it hates Jews. (Except for the minority part that actually ends up converting to Islam, of course.)

It's weird though that a lot of Nazi flag-waving Aryan nation folks, all tatted up, rally for Trump and 100% vote for Republicans, right? Do you not find that, in any way strange? Maybe those folks are smarter than the "not-at-all-Nazi" Republican fans, like those we have around here that simply won't believe it! You know, those actual Nazis sure seem to know what speaking like a Nazi sounds like, if they support the GOP wholesale.

Don't you find that illuminating in any way?

Maybe ask our new Defense Secretary--he sure does have a lot of Nazi shit scribbled into his flesh, for some very mysterious reason.
 
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DZero

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Nope. China and India don't see eye to eye on many issues. And they already have territorial disputes.

Besides India is quite happy to be patient with China. Its population is still going up while China is moving the other way. Soon China won't be able to afford any wars.
The issue is that if India loses that Russian fuel won't have enough force to maintain that growth before screwing up hard. China can survive without Russia, India no.
 

Jaskalas

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I think we know a primary reason USAID was attacked first. It was a large aspect of keeping Ukraine alive.

Disconnected helplines, undiagnosed HIV cases and unfinished classrooms: Ukraine counts the costs of USAID suspension

The freeze is already causing hardship across Ukraine, with lifesaving projects suddenly put on hold.
Ukraine has been by far the biggest recipient of USAID funds in the past three years, ever since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of the country in February 2022.
According to the agency’s now defunct website, USAID has provided Ukraine with a total of $37.6 billion in humanitarian aid, development assistance and direct budget support since the full-scale war began.
 

balloonshark

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I was actually thinking about this same subject this week. Its about NATO and other countries 'contributions' to nato.

I've also never saw this angry but they both are vets.

 
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cytg111

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Sounds to me like Russia got everything and then Trump turned around and tried to sack Ukraine for 120% of its GDP.

Making Russia Great Again
 

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The Russians are not in shape to conquer a hot dog stand right now with the Ukraine war still going. Just the Nordic air forces would have them screaming for peace in days if they started something soon.

Even if it stopped today they'd need a 2-3 years to regenerate something adequate to make another go at Ukraine. Threats to the Baltics and Central Europe are real but a little further down the road.
Maybe that's the current plan? Russian industry is already on war footing, they currently overproduce Europe in ammo and rockets and if let alone for 3 years they'd be ready to overwhelm any eastern european nation with unmanned weaponry. If they infiltrate western democracies as they've done with US, they'd break the unity and chop them one by one
 

trenchfoot

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I think we know a primary reason USAID was attacked first. It was a large aspect of keeping Ukraine alive.

Disconnected helplines, undiagnosed HIV cases and unfinished classrooms: Ukraine counts the costs of USAID suspension

The freeze is already causing hardship across Ukraine, with lifesaving projects suddenly put on hold.
Ukraine has been by far the biggest recipient of USAID funds in the past three years, ever since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of the country in February 2022.
According to the agency’s now defunct website, USAID has provided Ukraine with a total of $37.6 billion in humanitarian aid, development assistance and direct budget support since the full-scale war began.

Is the kind of thing that those millions of people who voted for Trump wanted from him? It seems to me the vast majority of them will never know about this and even if they did their triggered attitude toward anything critical of Trump along with their loyalty to him would have them turn a blind eye and deaf ears to news like this. This is how Trump gets away with his criminal behavior where his supporters are knee jerked to react with swift mindless counter-claims and denials for every stupid wrong-headed treasonous thing Trump perpetrates.

Whatever crimes he and his lackeys commit is OK because in their minds he's committing crimes for the right reasons and the libs just want to pick on him and stop him from doing the people's work. This is the insanity that's driving the Republican's daily efforts to stand up an authoritarian plutocracy so as to provide a permanent solution to the problems the liberals are creating for them.
 
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Maybe that's the current plan? Russian industry is already on war footing, they currently overproduce Europe in ammo and rockets and if let alone for 3 years they'd be ready to overwhelm any eastern european nation with unmanned weaponry. If they infiltrate western democracies as they've done with US, they'd break the unity and chop them one by one
This is a rather old plan, which Russia still adheres to. Even now, given the whole context, Russia still has significant influence over many European countries. If Europe doesn't change soon, Russia will stop at nothing to bite off another piece of Europe.
 
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I think we know a primary reason USAID was attacked first. It was a large aspect of keeping Ukraine alive.

Disconnected helplines, undiagnosed HIV cases and unfinished classrooms: Ukraine counts the costs of USAID suspension

The freeze is already causing hardship across Ukraine, with lifesaving projects suddenly put on hold.
Ukraine has been by far the biggest recipient of USAID funds in the past three years, ever since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of the country in February 2022.
According to the agency’s now defunct website, USAID has provided Ukraine with a total of $37.6 billion in humanitarian aid, development assistance and direct budget support since the full-scale war began.
As a Ukrainian, I have a twofold attitude to this. On the one hand, this is a heavy blow to Ukraine, but on the other, I'm a little surprised that we depended so much on USAID. I mean, it's a very short-sighted strategy, and yet I'm hopeful that we can balance things out better now.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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As a Ukrainian, I have a twofold attitude to this. On the one hand, this is a heavy blow to Ukraine, but on the other, I'm a little surprised that we depended so much on USAID. I mean, it's a very short-sighted strategy, and yet I'm hopeful that we can balance things out better now.
To be fair, USAID wasn't supposed to go anywhere and that was it's job. It's a bit like being surprised that so much about the US highway system depended on the DOT... That's it's job too, and it's also not supposed to go away.

I'm sorry that our government abandoned you. We're a little ADD over here, we get bored of things.
 

K1052

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As a Ukrainian, I have a twofold attitude to this. On the one hand, this is a heavy blow to Ukraine, but on the other, I'm a little surprised that we depended so much on USAID. I mean, it's a very short-sighted strategy, and yet I'm hopeful that we can balance things out better now.

With all respect to Ukraine it is not, presently, a rich country. Per capita GDP is like 1/5th of Poland. So reliance on USAID is not a big surprise to me and I'm sure it has increased during wartime as resources are diverted elsewhere. I would not expect this state of affairs to persist though since there is likely to be an investment boom in the country when the war stops/pauses and once EU membership is done likely a similar economic trajectory to Poland and the Baltics.
 
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To be fair, USAID wasn't supposed to go anywhere and that was it's job. It's a bit like being surprised that so much about the US highway system depended on the DOT... That's it's job too, and it's also not supposed to go away.

I'm sorry that our government abandoned you. We're a little ADD over here, we get bored of things.
I mean, we understand better than anyone how things can change dramatically.. And depending so heavily on one source of funding that you have no control over or can't quickly replace can have fatal consequences. Especially if you're a country at war.

But I still want to thank you for your strong support.
 

Fenixgoon

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I mean, we understand better than anyone how things can change dramatically.. And depending so heavily on one source of funding that you have no control over or can't quickly replace can have fatal consequences. Especially if you're a country at war.

But I still want to thank you for your strong support.
I just hope we (the US) don't give up entirely or that the rest of Europe steps up/in. We should have given you alls the tools you needed for a swift victory without conditions and limitations that have made this war drag on and cost countless lives.
 
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With all respect to Ukraine it is not, presently, a rich country. Per capita GDP is like 1/5th of Poland. So reliance on USAID is not a big surprise to me and I'm sure it has increased during wartime as resources are diverted elsewhere. I would not expect this state of affairs to persist though since there is likely to be an investment boom in the country when the war stops/pauses and once EU membership is done likely a similar economic trajectory to Poland and the Baltics.
Yes, I agree. Especially since it is quite likely that when USAID started to arrive, we all still had hope that this war would not drag on for so long. But it is clear that in the long run, it would be worth reconsidering this and at least thinking about a plan B in case the funding stops.

In fact, I also just try to find positive things in even such not-so-pleasant stories. :)
 

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It's weird though that a lot of Nazi flag-waving Aryan nation folks, all tatted up, rally for Trump and 100% vote for Republicans, right? Do you not find that, in any way strange? Maybe those folks are smarter than the "not-at-all-Nazi" Republican fans, like those we have around here that simply won't believe it! You know, those actual Nazis sure seem to know what speaking like a Nazi sounds like, if they support the GOP wholesale.

Don't you find that illuminating in any way?

Maybe ask our new Defense Secretary--he sure does have a lot of Nazi shit scribbled into his flesh, for some very mysterious reason.

Oh, those who cosplay as historical Nazis, and who love all the accoutrements that go with it, obviously are going to support Trump and the Republicans, as those are the closest thing available to the genuine article. Actual full-blown Trumpism just won't be exactly the same thing as 1930s Germany, because history doesn't repeat itself exactly.

It is, though, in my opinion, driven by much the same thing - capitalism, and its dysfunctional nature. Nothing that's happening changes my view that my parents (lifelong believers in "revolutionary socialism") were wrong about capitalism. They were just mistaken about the workability of socialism. The left always said the choice was 'socialism or barbarism', and they were half-right - that is the choice, the trouble is that the former doesn't really work terribly well, as an economic system.


I'm increasingly of the view that I'd rather choose the form of failure that is less dangerous for me personally. It's becoming clear that the 'middle ground', liberalism or social democracy, is hopeless and just allows free reign to the fascists (see also the utterly useless Starmer, who's clearly preparing the ground for a Reform government next time round).
 

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So... after the first talks between RU and USA it appears they both want Ukraine to falter. If this plan is true and it succeeds, I see no difference between Russia and USA anymore. I know, not everyone voted for the orangeutan, but it's all the same with Putin...
 
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So... after the first talks between RU and USA it appears they both want Ukraine to falter. If this plan is true and it succeeds, I see no difference between Russia and USA anymore. I know, not everyone voted for the orangeutan, but it's all the same with Putin...

Not even half of voters who cast a ballot in the election voted for him.
 

misuspita

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Yeah, it still doesn't matter. The end result is that Trump and it's billionaire team represent the name of USA at least for the next 4 years. And if this is how the world looks after 4 weeks with them, I can't put away the possibility that we'll evade a nuclear meltdown in 4 years... Plus, fooled me once America, my fault.. fooled me twice... You keep electing the orange menace and it doesn't make you very popular in the world or in Europe right now especially considering what Musk, Vance and the team are doing towards Europe and european elections
 
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trenchfoot

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I mean, we understand better than anyone how things can change dramatically.. And depending so heavily on one source of funding that you have no control over or can't quickly replace can have fatal consequences. Especially if you're a country at war.

But I still want to thank you for your strong support.

Every fellow veteran of foreign wars that I know is supportive of your fight for your independence and your right to exist as a sovereign democratic nation.

Slava Ukraini!
 

K1052

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Yeah, it still doesn't matter. The end result is that Trump and it's billionaire team represent the name of USA at least for the next 4 years. And if this is how the world looks after 4 weeks with them, I can't put away the possibility that we'll evade a nuclear meltdown in 4 years... Plus, fooled me once America, my fault.. fooled me twice... You keep electing the orange menace and it doesn't make you very popular in the world or in Europe right now especially considering what Musk, Vance and the team are doing towards Europe and european elections

I fully support whatever measures other countries take against this foolish, moronic, and short sighted government to punish it for its arrogance. Rooting for your own country to fail, and do so badly, is kind of weird but I don't wish any of their plans success.
 
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I just hope we (the US) don't give up entirely or that the rest of Europe steps up/in. We should have given you alls the tools you needed for a swift victory without conditions and limitations that have made this war drag on and cost countless lives.
I think Russia felt the right moment to attack us. And I think they were just counting on the fact that we would not get overwhelming support.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I mean, we understand better than anyone how things can change dramatically.. And depending so heavily on one source of funding that you have no control over or can't quickly replace can have fatal consequences. Especially if you're a country at war.

But I still want to thank you for your strong support.
Side note, am I just seeing copium stories, or does it look like some shit's been turning since NK pulled out? I'm seeing RU human loss numbers drop, APC/misc vehicles go up, tanks/arty go up, and UKR making advances for the last week or two.