Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Roger Wilco

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Russia grows weaker and less relevant every day. They face rapid demographic collapse, preventing them from effectively employing the meatwaves that made the Red Army so lethal.

China faces their own demographic doom as well.

And then we all have the actual gorilla in the room: climate change.
 
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IronWing

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That comment wasn't about Germany's problems.
It was about the impotent flailing around in this forum where everybody that doesn't agree with the echo chamber is called a Nazi....

The damn word has been so overused it has no real meaning.
Nazi has a very specific meaning: authoritarian rule, attacks on vulnerable populations, disregard for the rule of law, government interference in private matters, denial of human and civil rights to target populations. The Republican Party engages in all of these activities. Republicans and anyone who votes for them are nazis. There is no ambiguity.
 

DZero

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Nazi has a very specific meaning: authoritarian rule, attacks on vulnerable populations, disregard for the rule of law, government interference in private matters, denial of human and civil rights to target populations. The Republican Party engages in all of these activities. Republicans and anyone who votes for them are nazis. There is no ambiguity.
The real world we should use is: Anarchy. And yeah, that word is current for the world.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm waiting to see what happens when the time comes for Putin to start drafting droves of meat from the higher classes in Moscow who are still supporting his 3 Day SMO because they think their kids are excluded from being turned into mobiks. It's coming sooner than later. I don't know what else would overcome Putin's insistence on draining the country's materiel and manpower into an backfiring investment.

I'd love to see the day when Putin is thrown under the tracks of a T-34 and Trump is remanded into custody that maybe, just maybe, unlike what we're experiencing here in the USA, the majority of the commoners will enforce a hybrid form of democracy and stick to it.

Here at home, for the fact that our fascist minded corporate giants have decided it's much more profitable for them to rule the nation with a figurehead stooge in the wheelhouse and having the majority of the nation's voters hoodwinked like they have, our future as a democracy is walking the razor's edge at the moment. Can't imagine how we as a people can walk back what the aristocrat class is attempting to chisel in stone to ensure their dominance over the lower classes.
 
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The real world we should use is: Anarchy. And yeah, that word is current for the world.
Anarchy is not the same. Anarchy is just tearing up all the rules. Republicans very much are tearing up rules, but they are also aiming to enforce their will through authoritarian means and exercise cruelty to those that either stand in the way or just because they've whipped themselves into a frenzy against those that have little political power.
 
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zinfamous

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That comment wasn't about Germany's problems.
It was about the impotent flailing around in this forum where everybody that doesn't agree with the echo chamber is called a Nazi....

The damn word has been so overused it has no real meaning.

Impotent? You mean literate.

You don't read

YOu don't know history. You wouldn't know a Nazi if they crawled up your bughole and diddled your fun gland with an iron cross, you ignorant dipshit.

Nazis are Nazis. Just because you won't admit what's smacking you in the face doesn't mean that everyone else is as dumb as you. Thing is: you know we are right. You're just so caught up in your embarrassed pride for voting Trump twice, almost certainly 3 times, that you won't own this fucking shit, you god damn fucking coward bitch. (or are you about to try and convince us that you voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala? lol)

Own it. Admit what is plainly true, and stop being such a fucking soft bitch coward, you useless clown. Or are you just gonna sit back while Vice Chancellor Musk takes away your VA benefits? You kinda need those, right?
 

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Quote: The FT is reporting Trump plans to withdraw troops from the Baltic states at least, giving Russia a huge strategic win, and weakening NATO's eastern flank at a critical time.​

Trump preparing to abandon NATO / Europe entirely.
 

DZero

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Did you not read 1984?
I read, but this might not be the case... Trump (and Musk) and Xi has this on their mind:

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While Russia will ally to USA to not to depend with China and having similar religions helps them. The issue? Going one side or other will make Russia enemy of the other.
Another factor? The IA, given enough development and will act as the 3rd kingdom which overthrow the rest. So, it won't end like 1984 but more like Three Kingdoms...
 

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Quote: The FT is reporting Trump plans to withdraw troops from the Baltic states at least, giving Russia a huge strategic win, and weakening NATO's eastern flank at a critical time.​

Trump preparing to abandon NATO / Europe entirely.

From what else I have heard this is not reliably sourced. Not saying it doesn't happen but something to keep in mind.
 

DZero

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From what else I have heard this is not reliably sourced. Not saying it doesn't happen but something to keep in mind.
Maybe this might be the conditions of Putin? to make US withdraw Europe to let them conquer?
 

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Outcome of the meeting in Paris seems to be the big euro nations are now willing to finance defense spending (and presumably Ukrainian destined military aid) at higher levels than previously, including the Germans making an exception to their debt brake. Also some nations express willingness for peacekeeping deployments, terms TBD.

The US is going to have to put something on the table to get all this to work. Presumably arms mostly in the form of air defense partially financed by the EU which is one of the big deficiencies right now.
 

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Outcome of the meeting in Paris seems to be the big euro nations are now willing to finance defense spending (and presumably Ukrainian destined military aid) at higher levels than previously, including the Germans making an exception to their debt brake. Also some nations express willingness for peacekeeping deployments, terms TBD.

The US is going to have to put something on the table to get all this to work. Presumably arms mostly in the form of air defense partially financed by the EU which is one of the big deficiencies right now.
Expecting that. The issue is if US doesn't see that even with the EU effort, this might be over for East Europe.
 

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Maybe this might be the conditions of Putin? to make US withdraw Europe to let them conquer?

The Russians are not in shape to conquer a hot dog stand right now with the Ukraine war still going. Just the Nordic air forces would have them screaming for peace in days if they started something soon.

Even if it stopped today they'd need a 2-3 years to regenerate something adequate to make another go at Ukraine. Threats to the Baltics and Central Europe are real but a little further down the road.
 
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Nazi has a very specific meaning: authoritarian rule, attacks on vulnerable populations, disregard for the rule of law, government interference in private matters, denial of human and civil rights to target populations. The Republican Party engages in all of these activities. Republicans and anyone who votes for them are nazis. There is no ambiguity.

Nazis were a specific group, tied to a particular era and context. I wouldn't make a blanket statement that the Republicans are literally Nazis. A very large proportion of them are bigoted authoritarians who could easily end up supporting a fascist regime, though. But I doubt murderous despotism will present in exactly the same form as last time round.

Not least there's the way much of the contemporary far-right seems to hate Muslims more than it hates Jews. (Except for the minority part that actually ends up converting to Islam, of course.)
 

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So. Suddenly China looks kinda sweet. An Europe China axis to choke out Russia and present a common front vs the US.
 

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So. Suddenly China looks kinda sweet. An Europe China axis to choke out Russia and present a common front vs the US.
Expecting:
US and Russia faction
China and Europe faction

Chinese won't forget a potential Russia betrayal. They might likely with India take Russian territory
 
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Expecting:
US and Russia faction
China and Europe faction

Chinese won't forget a potential Russia betrayal. They might likely with India take Russian territory
Nope. China and India don't see eye to eye on many issues. And they already have territorial disputes.

Besides India is quite happy to be patient with China. Its population is still going up while China is moving the other way. Soon China won't be able to afford any wars.
 

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Outcome of the meeting in Paris seems to be the big euro nations are now willing to finance defense spending (and presumably Ukrainian destined military aid) at higher levels than previously, including the Germans making an exception to their debt brake. Also some nations express willingness for peacekeeping deployments, terms TBD.

The US is going to have to put something on the table to get all this to work. Presumably arms mostly in the form of air defense partially financed by the EU which is one of the big deficiencies right now.

I'm sure there is a significant number of US military that are chomping at the bit for a chance to join in Ukraine and start shoving lead into Russian pre-corpses.

But obviously, Don doesn't want them out of country, where he very much wants to use them to start taking shots at US citizens in order to defend his new Reich. ....and probably not an insignificant # of that very same group of military are just as happy to do that, as well. (the leadership class, though, I doubt would let it go that far).
 

zinfamous

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The Baltic states have severed their connections to the Russian electric grid and connected to the European grid. The process took years to complete but they are finished with Russia.

This happened a week ago on Friday. The map I was sent prior to this showed Kaliningrad getting shut off completely, because they had 2 lines coming through Lithuania. I chuckled and even shed a few tears of happiness. I don't know what Poland is doing, but I can't imagine them really providing Kaliningrad anything, if not much longer if they have been.

The thought of those going completely dark is just wonderful.

The conversation that I had the following day is that the transition was smooth and no one really noticed. Work was notified to leave their computers unplugged, just in case, but nothing residential was effected while remaining plugged up.