Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Amused

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That's a lot of tripe just to avoid having to say you support Ukrainian sovereignty. Who do you think you're fooling? So weak, like this new mouthpiece strawman of yours.

Civilians aren't sent to the frontlines dipshit, more of a Russian thing actually. This stuff is easier to comprehend if you remove your head from your ass you know.

Spare us what you see from that vantage point, it's as repetitive as it is pathetic. Ukraine is alive because of our support, and no one but you facist shitheads deny it's sovereignty. Putin is literally trying to wipe them out and you think the West is trying to poison the. You've taken denial to a place psychologists should probably study, wow.

No, I think I will continue to call out dickless fascists out as the mindless, hypocritical, lying pieces of shit they are. You certainly fit the bill, it's like you've been living under a rock for 3 years, emerged with a lust to defend genocide.

I like this thread, while you're the one whining like a little bitch over people not buying your ridiculous horseshit. How old are you that you don't get how that works? So yeah, again, fuck off troll. Hurry up and get that vacation or ban. The only thing you contribute to this thread are lies and the sand-in-your-vagina routine over people defending themselves from a genocidal invason. Seriously, go find a mental health professional. Being a fascist, sociopathic prick on the web isn't going to help your condition kid.

Sigh:

Russia has/had zero legal or moral justification for invading Ukraine... Even IF Ukraine was (they weren't) considering joining NATO.

Russia signed a treaty promising to respect Ukraine's independence and sovereignty. Do you know what those words even mean?

According to the three memoranda, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively removing all Soviet nuclear weapons from their soil, and that they agreed to the following:

Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
Not to use nuclear weapons against any non - nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

 

Braznor

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Civilians aren't sent to the frontlines dipshit, more of a Russian thing actually. This stuff is easier to comprehend if you remove your head from your ass you know.
This is just one of your lies, but easily disproven:



KYIV—In Ukraine today, no topic is more barbed than that of compulsory military service. Few want to talk about conscription publicly; men within service age range, 25 to 60 years old, are particularly reticent. “It’s just too sensitive. I hope you understand me,” one man told me, referring to the many families in his circle of friends whose sons, brothers, and fathers are on the front or have perished there. Some fear that speaking out might prompt a letter from the Defense Ministry announcing their call-up. Or worse, they might be plucked randomly by recruitment officers on the streets and, should their documentation prove their eligibility for service, sent straight to boot camp.

In early October, Marco, a Ukrainian energy analyst who requested anonymity, said his brother-in-law, an IT specialist, had been stopped by traffic cops on a road near Kyiv. But the officers weren’t alone. Defense Ministry personnel assigned to the recruitment division accompanied them. They demanded to see the 30-year-old’s “military ticket,” a passport of sorts issued by the ministry that contains all data relevant to military service, such as age, professional status, and health condition. All Ukrainian men between 18 and 60 are required to have one. The brother-in-law’s bona fides lacked documentation of an annual physical exam, and thus he was brought to a local medical clinic, given a two-hour physical examination, and the next day sent to a training grounds outside Kyiv.

In our conversation, Marco shook his head in disbelief. He wasn’t the kind of guy the armed forces needed on the front, he told me. Without professionals like him, Ukraine’s economy would grind to a halt.

After nearly three years of relentless assault, Ukrainians have grown weary of the daily deprivations and larger tragedy of a war they reckoned would end sooner, and yet has no end in sight. Many are unhappy about the call-up—and its intrusive methods—a consternation compounded by a recent tax change that docks incomes with a 5 percent military levy, up from 1.5 percent, for the provision of the armed forces.

“There’s a lot of fear—that’s understandable,” said Ivona Kostyna, the director of the NGO Veteran Hub, which offers and supports services for former soldiers. “You have to take into account that there’s not a person in this country whose life hasn’t been turned upside down by the war.” Kostyna called expanded conscription and the new tax necessary but warned against belittling the sacrifice they entail.



The thinness of Ukrainian soldiers on the long front line in the east and south—and since August in Russia, too—is no secret, and fresh manpower is urgently required. Some infantries have battled relentless Russian offensives from the trenches since the spring of 2022, when the full-scale Russian invasion began—and some longer—without proper leave. Ukraine’s armed forces have no demobilization procedures, which basically makes service a one-way ticket: a condition neither fair to those in the field nor attractive to civilians considering enlistment.

Russia, on the other hand, has a population three and a half times that of Ukraine, and its active-duty military personnel total about 1.5 million, compared with Ukraine’s roughly 900,000 (though estimates vary). And as of October, North Korean troops—currently numbering around 3,000—are lending a hand on the battlefield and adding a new twist to the war. The Ukrainian government says 12,000 are being trained in Russia. Obviously, Russia, too, is struggling to fill its ranks.

Until recently, Ukraine had been more circumspect than its foe about resupplying exhausted and depleted ranks, even though men under 60 have been barred from leaving Ukraine since the war began. The nature of conscription is hotly debated, with some favoring a mandatory service model like Israel’s and others an all-voluntary system as in the United States. In April, Kyiv dropped the mobilization age from 27 to 25—and narrowed exclusions from the draft. Monetary incentives to volunteer were boosted, and a fresh media campaign launched.

Everywhere in Kyiv—on billboards, along streets, in the metro and trains, and also in busy cafes and bars—Defense Ministry placards beckon to young people. “Wide range of positions, according to your experience and preference,” one of the ads reads, featuring an armed soldier in a black face mask. “We guarantee you can select the unit you want to serve in,” it adds, a perk that enables family members to serve together. Another displays a young woman in an army-green T-shirt holding a cat. It announces the post of medical squad commander and a signing bonus of 150,000 Ukrainian hryvnia, or about $3,600.

The Defense Ministry says voluntary enlistment is still high but that it is simply not enough to compete with Russia’s demographic advantage and cold-blooded recruitment tactics.

In downtown Kyiv’s Independence Square, the sprawling pop-up memorial to the war’s fallen gives some idea of the number of Ukrainian soldiers who have already forfeited their lives—a figure that the government, for purposes of morale, does not disclose. Many thousands of hand-sized, blue-and-yellow Ukrainian flags—as well as portraits, candles, wreathes, photos, and other flags—are packed onto the lower slopes of the hillside square. On the flags, a handwritten name is followed by birth and death dates. Above the solemn, breathtaking display soars a 200-foot column topped with a statue of a woman with a rose branch in hand—the symbol of Ukraine’s statehood.

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If you can casually lie so easily about matters so easily proven, it is not difficult to decode you are a very low informed person and easily prone to flights of delusion. So go ahead; do engage in that here. Equally appalling is your complete disregard for the casualties among the Ukrainian conscripts and the futile prosecution of the war at this stage.


How can anyone trust you? Wait, the idiots here do and no wonder they are as stupid as the rest of you. The Dunning-Kruger effect is equally applicable for your side. A very cursory glance just revealed that. If you have a shred of honesty left, you should be ashamed of your own actions here. But the echo chamber in here prevents you from seeing that, and now you have all quit Twitter and seeking the same in Bluesky. So do go ahead and congratulate yourself. You have cloaked yourself in your self righteous shield for Ukrainian victory pretending you have the only say in the matter.


The matter is going to end no matter what. The war in Ukraine is at the endgame now unless your warmongering generals convince Trump to keep continuing the pointless slaughter of what's left of Ukrainian youths. But I doubt whether your own electorate and, more importantly, the Ukrainian civilians themselves will choose that option.
 

Braznor

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Sigh:

Russia has/had zero legal or moral justification for invading Ukraine... Even IF Ukraine was (they weren't) considering joining NATO.

Russia signed a treaty promising to respect Ukraine's independence and sovereignty. Do you know what those words even mean?

According to the three memoranda, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively removing all Soviet nuclear weapons from their soil, and that they agreed to the following:

Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
Not to use nuclear weapons against any non - nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

My previous post to you is just another one of how much you guys constantly lie to yourselves and the rest of the world, despite ample information contradicting your viewpoints. All your efforts to sound sincere have long been rendered mute. Do throw everything you have confirming your biases; it is neither going to change the situation on the ground nor will it help the Ukrainian people in any form whatsoever. You are just another fool capable of deluding yourself and dragging the world down with you. The worst thing is that you will not learn anything better. Your self righteous indignation will block everything that does not confirm your viewpoint from you.
 

IronWing

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This is just one of your lies, but easily disproven:






If you can casually lie so easily about matters so easily proven, it is not difficult to decode you are a very low informed person and easily prone to flights of delusion. So go ahead; do engage in that here. Equally appalling is your complete disregard for the casualties among the Ukrainian conscripts and the futile prosecution of the war at this stage.


How can anyone trust you? Wait, the idiots here do and no wonder they are as stupid as the rest of you. The Dunning-Kruger effect is equally applicable for your side. A very cursory glance just revealed that. If you have a shred of honesty left, you should be ashamed of your own actions here. But the echo chamber in here prevents you from seeing that, and now you have all quit Twitter and seeking the same in Bluesky. So do go ahead and congratulate yourself. You have cloaked yourself in your self righteous shield for Ukrainian victory pretending you have the only say in the matter.


The matter is going to end no matter what. The war in Ukraine is at the endgame now unless your warmongering generals convince Trump to keep continuing the pointless slaughter of what's left of Ukrainian youths. But I doubt whether your own electorate and, more importantly, the Ukrainian civilians themselves will choose that option.
That's a lot of words to say, "Surrender Dorothy."
 

Braznor

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That's a lot of words to say, "Surrender Dorothy."
Don't deflect from his lies, and do not try to twist my words. All I want is a sensible solution that prevents any more suffering for the Ukrainian civilians and their military conscripts. Accept it; the war has been lost. Your governments should not have tried to fight this war on the cheap, sending old expiring rubbish for the Ukrainians to fight with, and that too not in enough quantities, and worse, you were all gloating about how clever your war machinery and strategy were in a cost-effective manner. When you should have sent F-35s, you sent secondhand F16s, and that too not in enough quantities. When you should have at least sponsored an endless number of mercenaries on the ground unofficially, you still didn't. You were afraid your own people would not stomach the casualties possible amongst your military contractors. You didn't double down on your resolve for the conflict, but you decided to double down on your lies and chicanery. You decided that this war must be continued, no matter how pointless a military solution remains at this point anymore. Even Zelensky is talking about negotiations now, and yet you are the fools still advocating for more Ukrainians to die. Note, I absolutely do not care for Russian casualties at all. Now if this sounds like I'm advising surrender, do fool yourself. I wish you the best, shaking my head at your endless capacity for self-delusion.
 

IronWing

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Don't deflect from his lies, and do not try to twist my words. All I want is a sensible solution that prevents any more suffering for the Ukrainian civilians and the military. Accept it; the war has been lost. Your governments should not have tried to fight this war on the cheap, sending old expiring rubbish for the Ukrainians to fight with, and that too not in enough quantities, and worse you were all gloating about how clever your war machinery and strategy was in cost effective manner. When you should have sent F35s, you sent secondhand F16s, and that too not in enough quantities. When you should have at least sponsored an endless number of mercenaries on the ground unofficially, you still didn't. You were afraid your own people would not stomach the casualties possible amongst your military contractors. You didn't double down on your resolve for the conflict, but you did decide to double down on your lies and chicanery. You do decide that this war must be continued, no matter how pointless a military solution remains for this matter anymore. Even Zelensky is talking about negotiations, and yet you are the fools still advocating for more Ukrainians to die. Note, I absolutely do not care for Russian casualties at all. Now If this sounds like I'm advising surrender, do fool yourself. I wish you the best, shaking my head at your endless capacity for self delusion.
That's a lot of words to say, "Surrender Dorothy."
 

K1052

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Scholz is in Kyiv and announced German military aid (most of which was already known) but they will also apparently supply more patriot launchers to Ukraine.


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Braznor

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That's a lot of words to say, "Surrender Dorothy."
Quit your deflection from his lies and stop trying to twist my words. When even Zelensky is calling for negotiations, you fools refuse to see the light. One can never wake up a man who is trying to fool others that he is asleep.
 

kage69

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Still trying to blame others for the behavior you approve of, you're a broken record of bullshit kid. There is no light from inside your colon, what you see is much much different then what we do.

You detest Ukraine sovereignty like the rest of the Putin sucking fascism fans, it's as clear as your mental difficulties. Life sucking for Putin and superior Western weapons are just things you're going to have to learn to accept. Stiff upper lip, you can do it.

Or piss off, hide from the pain of seeing others support a free people defend themselves. Pussy.
 

Braznor

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Still trying to blame others for the behavior you approve of, you're a broken record of bullshit kid.

You detest Ukraine sovereignty like the rest of the Putin sucking fascism fans, it's as clear as your mental difficulties.

Piss off, hide from the pain of seeing others support a free people defend themselves. Pussy.
You sound like a cross between a drum and a balloon. Full of hot air and lots of empty space in place of a functioning brain. Do keep at it; see what your hollow bluster is going to get you: More truth bombs from reality on the ground. You do have an endless supply of insults and lies though. At this point, this is all you got.
 

Amused

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My previous post to you is just another one of how much you guys constantly lie to yourselves and the rest of the world, despite ample information contradicting your viewpoints. All your efforts to sound sincere have long been rendered mute. Do throw everything you have confirming your biases; it is neither going to change the situation on the ground nor will it help the Ukrainian people in any form whatsoever. You are just another fool capable of deluding yourself and dragging the world down with you. The worst thing is that you will not learn anything better. Your self righteous indignation will block everything that does not confirm your viewpoint from you.

You did nothing to address the facts here. You did nothing to refute this treaty or it's legal validity.

In point of fact, you're just projecting here.

How is posting a legally signed treaty "lying to myself?"

At this point you're just pathetic.
 

K1052

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Zelenskyy rules out joining NATO without all of Ukraine

"Ukraine will never agree to this. Any invitation must cover all our territories. We understand Article 5 can't apply during wartime, but Ukraine won’t compromise on sovereignty," he stated.

There is surely a way to construct an accession that excludes NATO obligations for the Ukrainians territory in active ground conflict until such time as those territories are returned to Ukrainian control. IMO accessing NATO air power for future defense should be the primary goal and would pose the best available deterrent for Putin to come back in a few years for another try. Putin will be dead in 10-20 years and Ukraine might well be able to restore the entirety of their sovereign territory.
 

kage69

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You sound like a cross between a drum and a balloon. Full of hot air and lots of empty space in place of a functioning brain. Do keep at it; see what your hollow bluster is going to get you: More truth bombs from reality on the ground. You do have an endless supply of insults and lies though. At this point, this is all you got.

Your hearing would be affected by the position of your skull too, yes, not just vision.

I have an endless amount of patience for telling pissants like you they are wasting their time, in between supporting my views on the invasion with news and info.

You've done what here, exactly? Aside from presenting yourself as a poster child for mental illness or substance abuse I mean. Have you considered not being pathetic? Maybe start blaming the actual warmongers for, you know, the war?

Or is that all you have? This outraged moron bit where you're more offended by forum posts than genocide really isn't the moral high ground you think it is, have you noticed?
 

kage69

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Speaking of truth bombs, Australia is giving Ukraine JDAM-ER kits they retired in 2021. That was nice of them.

I imagine they won't take as long to arrive as the 49 Abrams tanks they will be sending too.
 

Braznor

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Speaking of truth bombs, Australia is giving Ukraine JDAM-ER kits they retired in 2021. That was nice of them.

I imagine they won't take as long to arrive as the 49 Abrams tanks they will be sending too.
Another expiring product, and that too little and too late. I guess they were sleeping since 2021. Another way to fight this war on the cheap and look good at it. You suckers are too easy to please.

No one with an attitude to win goes to the prom with hand-me-down clothes.
 

Jaskalas

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Ukraine is alive because of our support, and no one but you facist shitheads deny it's sovereignty. Putin is literally trying to wipe them out and you think the West is trying to poison them? You've taken denial to a place psychologists should probably study, wow.
That person is not complicated. Nothing to study as they are common.
Having been fed Eastern Bloc propaganda, they are our enemy.
They advocate for their armies marching across our borders. Killing our people as they see fit.
They wine and cry if we resist their invasion.

Fuck them.
 

cytg111

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The Biden administration is not yet satisfied. It is advising Zelensky to recruit anyone above 18.

At what point is a war lost? Yes, Russia did invade Ukraine after they warned the west several times not to draft Ukraine into NATO. What did you expect? That's how world powers behave. What would the US government do if the Chinese were trying to sign defense treaties with Mexico and put their soldiers, missiles, and biolabs there?

Yes, that's a huge score against Putin, and I do blame him. But this war has been a long time coming. You should have prepared Ukraine for this eventuality well in advance. You didn't do that. You should have sent your best and greatest weapons to the battlefield in aid of the Ukrainians right from the get-go and in enough quantity, you didn't do that. You didn't want peace when Ukraine had the advantage on the battlefield either. You should have put boots on the ground. You didn't do that either. What you wanted was a war on a cheap price and you got repaid the same amount of reward as can be expected from a war you wanted to fight for cheap.


Now, unfortunately, none of that worked. But right now, when nothing is working, when the war has almost been lost, and when your own people have voted in an administration against this war, Urging Zelensky to send the flower of the Ukrainian generation to die for a war everyone knows Ukraine has no way of winning, thats outright criminal and evil. All this for what? Just to fuck over the next administration in your own country, this is grotesque.

I can't believe Ukraine will throw away their next generation for the poisonous tripe this current US government is feeding them. This is unpardonable. I wish Ukraine was never invaded and didn't lose this war, but still, this advice that has been given is monstrous. I wish Zelensky would see through this game and stop this war now, and hopefully Ukraine can negotiate favorable terms without too much loss of territory.

I know all of you ghouls wish the worst for Russia. But I wish the best for Ukraine—at least what's left of them. In a different world where Russia has never suffered a long line of invasions one after the other, Putin would have been replaced for the disasterous war by his own people. But thats not going to happen either; his people see him as a hero, and to them and whether you like it or not; he is another winner in the long line of Russian leaders who stood their ground and prevailed no matter how much his country had paid the price for this one or the ones before his time.

Worst of all, I'm sick of the ceaseless yearning for bloodshed in this thread. I have been reading it for the entire duration of this conflict so far, and I was sickened by the constant lust for the carnage. You can hope for victory without turning into monsters yourself. Some of you didn't even pretend to conceal your bloodlust and claimed this is the best, most cost-effective investment the US ever made to weaken Russia, and I was revolted at the claims. This has to stop now, one way or another. I hope the wiser among Ukrainians feel it is better to stop now and negotiate for peace before they conscript more of their youths to send to a pointless meatgrinder. I hope Nukes never enter this battle.

As we speak this, another war has opened up in Syria, more bloodshed of innocent people, and I became sick of the blood that was going to be spilled again and the bloodlust that will be displayed here. Stop this, all of you! Remember, these are human beings, certainly not westerners, but human beings with feelings and concerns just like all of you. Jokes and posts aside, I hope we can all be better human beings by this. Again, the best for the Ukrainian people. Just my two cents. Pillor me as a Russian bot all you want, but remember you will just be lying to yourself. Just like how you lied to yourself and pretended this wasn't ending badly for Ukrainians all this time now.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f
Counterpoint: Russia is not a world power.
 

Braznor

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You did nothing to address the facts here. You did nothing to refute this treaty or it's legal validity.

In point of fact, you're just projecting here.

How is posting a legally signed treaty "lying to myself?"

At this point you're just pathetic.
Whatever treaty you signed with Russia is dead in the water now. Neither of you honored the spirit of the agreement. At this point, it is just toilet paper.
 

Braznor

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Your hearing would be affected by the position of your skull too, yes, not just vision.

I have an endless amount of patience for telling pissants like you they are wasting their time, in between supporting my views on the invasion with news and info.

You've done what here, exactly? Aside from presenting yourself as a poster child for mental illness or substance abuse I mean. Have you considered not being pathetic? Maybe start blaming the actual warmongers for, you know, the war?

Or is that all you have? This outraged moron bit where you're more offended by forum posts than genocide really isn't the moral high ground you think it is, have you noticed?
I already blamed Russia for starting this war. Now I'm blaming you for not fighting it with full resolve, depending on cost-cutting measures as a way to sell the war to your people. Out of all the things you blew your 30+ trillion deficit on, you cheapened out on this? Wait till the people of Ukraine hear about this. They would be furious, and all of them will blame you too, as much as they will blame Russia.
 

outriding

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Another expiring product, and that too little and too late. I guess they were sleeping since 2021. Another way to fight this war on the cheap and look good at it. You suckers are too easy to please.

No one with an attitude to win goes to the prom with hand-me-down clothes.

and where are the T14 and the SU57?

Russia is what fielding T62? Talk about hand me downs. They are not even hand me downs they are clothes he’s that you wore back in high school and you are in retirement age
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I already blamed Russia for starting this war. Now I'm blaming you for not fighting it with full resolve, depending on cost-cutting measures as a way to sell the war to your people. Out of all the things you blew your 30+ trillion deficit on, you cheapened out on this? Wait till the people of Ukraine hear about this. They would be furious, and all of them will blame you too, as much as they will blame Russia.
We don't control the govt jackass, write a letter to Congress.
 

outriding

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I already blamed Russia for starting this war. Now I'm blaming you for not fighting it with full resolve, depending on cost-cutting measures as a way to sell the war to your people. Out of all the things you blew your 30+ trillion deficit on, you cheapened out on this? Wait till the people of Ukraine hear about this. They would be furious, and all of them will blame you too, as much as they will blame Russia.

Stop with the crocodile tears.

If you gave any care what is going on other there you would have posted when this happened


Do you think Ukraine should just its ok. You came into my country killed innocent women and children. Raped our women.

What would you do

Just walk away?

Has Russia surrendered?
 

Oric

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There may have been a behind the scenes agreement with Russia, for them to ease in Syria for less pressure on them in Ukraine.