dainthomas
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K1052
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Some numbers on how dependent Russia has become on BMP-1s raided from deep storage.
Storage yards that grow emptier by the month.
Storage yards that grow emptier by the month.
kage69
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Always felt bad for the Ukrainians who had to use them. Those things are terrible.
Russia beefin up their use of them because they don't have much else that can fight? Sounds like good news to me. Nothing a small charge or some API can't fix.
Russia beefin up their use of them because they don't have much else that can fight? Sounds like good news to me. Nothing a small charge or some API can't fix.
- Jul 11, 2001
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Odd choice of collar tattoos for this Russian commander tasked with defeating Nazis.
View attachment 86662
Dmitry Utkin - Wikipedia
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Collateral damage:
Death
Utkin died in a plane crash on 23 August 2023 which also killed nine other people, including Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin.[47][48] Utkin was buried on 31 August at the Federal Military Memorial Cemetery in Moscow Oblast.[49][50]Wait - are you sure it was collateral damage - i mean after all Putin did say he was hunting Nazi and Utkin was more or less a Nazi ?
Jaskalas
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- Jun 23, 2004
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Russia's Genocide of Europe continues apace.
One more missile into a dinner hall full of people.
One more missile into a dinner hall full of people.
cytg111
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In terms of terrorism
Casualties of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
As of August 13th
Ukraine: civilian casualty update 14 August 2023
Date: 14 August 20231 Civilian casualties from 1 to 13 August 2023 From 1 to 13 August 2023, Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 258 civilian casualties in Ukraine: 48 killed (23 men, 21 women, 1 boy, 1 girl, as well as 2 adults whose sex is not yet known), and...
I think maybe Putin has taken the number one slot as the most murdering terrorist in modern human history?
Drach
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I bet George Bush's adventures in Iraq would be way higher.In terms of terrorism
3.000 dead civilians.Casualties of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
As of August 13th
26.000 dead civiliansUkraine: civilian casualty update 14 August 2023
Date: 14 August 20231 Civilian casualties from 1 to 13 August 2023 From 1 to 13 August 2023, Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 258 civilian casualties in Ukraine: 48 killed (23 men, 21 women, 1 boy, 1 girl, as well as 2 adults whose sex is not yet known), and...www.ohchr.org
I think maybe Putin has taken the number one slot as the most murdering terrorist in modern human history?
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K1052
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cytg111
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Drach
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K1052
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A falling down an elevator shaft onto some bullets level explanation.
trenchfoot
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Well then it looks like those fellas in that aircraft didn't understand how to play the game just right, the devil in the details being what it is.
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While what is happening in Ukraine is sad - think about the 100's of thousand of civilian the russians killed in Syria.....In terms of terrorism
3.000 dead civilians.Casualties of the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
As of August 13th
26.000 dead civiliansUkraine: civilian casualty update 14 August 2023
Date: 14 August 20231 Civilian casualties from 1 to 13 August 2023 From 1 to 13 August 2023, Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 258 civilian casualties in Ukraine: 48 killed (23 men, 21 women, 1 boy, 1 girl, as well as 2 adults whose sex is not yet known), and...
I think maybe Putin has taken the number one slot as the most murdering terrorist in modern human history?
Jaskalas
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Russia has killed at least that many in Ukraine.
They have every intention of killing the rest of them, and then moving onto additional European countries.
Unless we stop them.
cytg111
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By US bombing and direct fire? Or indirectly by crumbling infrastructure thus healthcare etc? Not trying to diminish here, just apples to apples.
Iraq was a … well, a clusterfuck of clusterfucks.
Drach
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They died for various reasons. It doesn't change the fact those people would still be alive if we didn't go there over WMD.
This is way off topic so I'll bow out.
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Or the millions that Stalin had killed - in his own country - in peace time. To do what? Terrorize his own countrymen to consolidate power and implement any plan he wished with no pushback. That and he was a psychopath.
One thing that’s really lost is in WW2 the USSR was as evil as the Nazis, they were just on our side. I mean they even invaded Poland together!
trenchfoot
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Putin is trying to prove to the world that Hitler and Mao ain't got noth'in on him. Hell of a way to try to get respect from the democracies of the world. Xi Jinping is learning that being a paper dragon can get you up to the doorsteps of being a dominant world power but it takes the likes of scores of unified democracies with the backing of the USA to actually join the club.
Sheer numbers just doesn't have the same kind of kick it had so many world wars ago, and India must surely be taking notes on just whose side they want to be on.
Sheer numbers just doesn't have the same kind of kick it had so many world wars ago, and India must surely be taking notes on just whose side they want to be on.
Zorba
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How Modern are we talking about, because those numbers are nothing compared to WWII and many other conflicts.
RnR_au
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Brovane
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Western Military doctrine is that we have lot of high tech kit that requires well trained crews. The West also uses volunteer armies mostly which means we have to support a larger range of body types that can fit inside the tank and not just sending the smallest conscripts to be tank crews as Russia/Soviet does. All this drives toward a large well armored vehicle full of expensive kit with a highly valuable and well trained crew. Kind of the opposite of Russian/Soviet tank design. This also means western tanks in general are more expensive and have a larger logistic tail.
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