Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Dutch move to hold 12 yachts ordered by wealthy Russians

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The Dutch government says it is making sure a dozen yachts ordered by super-wealthy Russians are not delivered to anyone as part of sanctions imposed over the war in Ukraine.
 

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Dozens of Russian vehicles destroyed in an attack a few days ago.

#Ukraine: 2 days ago, the Operational Command "East" of the Ukrainian Army posted video that claimed to show "over 40" Russian vehicles destroyed by Ukrainian Artillery fire on a Russian rear base. We did not publish it, as we couldn't verify the claim or the target. However...

It actually turns out that this claim was legitimate, with at least 35 vehicles totally destroyed or damaged; mostly supply or fuel trucks, but with BMP/T-72 variant also. This is a serious blow.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1511672397946138630/photo/1
 

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Kind of a long read ... some excerpts .....


"But Putin failed to achieve his goal of quickly crushing Ukraine’s outgunned and outnumbered army. The Russians were ill-prepared for Ukrainian resistance, proved incapable of adjusting to setbacks, failed to effectively combine air and land operations, misjudged Ukraine’s ability to defend its skies, and bungled basic military functions like planning and executing the movement of supplies.

“That’s a really bad combination if you want to conquer a country,” said Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel and professor of military history at Ohio State University."

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"For now at least, Putin’s forces have shifted away from Kyiv, to eastern Ukraine. Ultimately, the Russian leader may achieve some of his objectives. Yet his failure to seize Kyiv will be long remembered — for how it defied prewar expectations and exposed surprising weaknesses in a military thought to be one of the strongest in the world.

“It’s stunning,” said military historian Frederick Kagan of the Institute for the Study of War, who says he knows of no parallel to a major military power like Russia invading a country at the time of its choosing and failing so utterly.

On the first morning of the war, Russian Mi-8 assault helicopters soared south toward Kyiv on a mission to attack Hostomel airfield on the northwest outskirts of the capital. By capturing the airfield, also known as Antonov airport, the Russians planned to establish a base from which to fly in more troops and light armored vehicles within striking distance of the heart of the nation’s largest city.

It didn’t work that way. Several Russian helicopters were reported to be hit by missiles even before they got to Hostomel, and once settled in at the airfield they suffered heavy losses from artillery fire.

An effort to take control of a military airbase in Vasylkiv south of Kyiv also met stiff resistance and reportedly saw several Russian Il-76 heavy-lift transport planes carrying paratroopers downed by Ukrainian defenses."


 

[DHT]Osiris

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Don't know about the Il-76 losses but Putin definitely fed the VDV into the wood chipper. Just massive destruction in a month of his best troops.
The Russian military's fighting capability has dropped by a considerable amount, far more than the percentage of actual losses would indicate. Beyond the hardware, those VDV and pilots lost count for dozens of conscripts each.
 

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The Russian military's fighting capability has dropped by a considerable amount, far more than the percentage of actual losses would indicate. Beyond the hardware, those VDV and pilots lost count for dozens of conscripts each.

Yeah, I know the idea is "lets just pivot to Donbas since that will be easier" but that's certainly going to be harder than before with high levels of casualties amongst your best troops.
 
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Yeah, I know the idea is "lets just pivot to Donbas since that will be easier" but that's certainly going to be harder than before with high levels of casualties amongst your best troops.
Which is yet another example of how incredibly obvious the Russian failure is. If the 'Kyiv was only a ruse, we were after the Donbas the whole time!' fiction was reality, they would have pissed away thousands of shitty recruits and conscripts on Kyiv, and fucked the whole eastern region up with elite forces w/air support, not the other way around.
 
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Not quoting ALL the earlier posts about the UN SC but ... the current "discussion" is that Russia really isn't (legally/technically) a member. Of the body, or the permanent seat on the SC. That membership/seat was for USSR. When they dissolved Russia just assumed they were entitled to it and moved on as if that were the case. Interesting topic, but not likely to head anywhere fruitful. Although it's probably the correct interpretation that Russia wasn't entitled to it.
 
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shame India is still allowing Russia to bypass sanctions, essentially funding these atrocities
 
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The Q's in my family are really going Batshet crazy claiming Ukraine is staging the atrocities, hiring people to play dead in the Ukrainian streets for the camera, claiming life in Ukraine is perfectly normal, and fully believing Putin when Putin says the deaths are staged and faked.
Funny.... when the term fake and faking seems to be the new MO of the Q and for the Trumpie party. They can not accept anything is real unless it comes from Donald Trump's mouth.
IS THERE A PSYCHIATRIST IN THE HOUSE???

I still can not figure out just how or when communism became the preferred by so many Americans, and their trusting in dictators preferred over believing in ones own democracy. Should anyone dare question why they would choose to trust and believe in communist dictators over their own leaders and government they justify their twisted beliefs by using patriotism and personal freedoms. They shout USA USA, while believing Ukraine is the aggressor and Vladimir Putin is the innocent dove.
Things are pretty screwed up here in America. A good psychiatrist is urgently needed, not that it would do any good.

A think a sociologist would be very much more helpful here. The onset of some new societally-bound mental illness as a biologically based pathology is illogical. Instead, we see a societally-bound emergent phenomenon which is grounded in normal human biology. It's no less worth understanding. In fact, I find it more imperative to study. But the assumption that these people are implicitly diseased gets us nowhere.
 

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shame India is still allowing Russia to bypass sanctions, essentially funding these atrocities
Russia has worked on solidifying relations with both India and China for decades. Russian PR is still working full time in China and India -- they both see vast majority of information and messaging based on Russia's disinformation, with almost zero Western viewpoint in China, and very small minority of news in India even mentions Ukraine, and when it does, it is either a "both sides" story or a story blaming the US for the plight of Ukrainians. India social media overwhelmingly pro Russia messaging (coming as much from Chinese sources as India).

As a result:
10% of Chinese polled blame Russia for Ukraine
India hasn't bothered with recent polls, as Ukraine has basically been a non-issue there other than getting their students out - but earlier polls had ~30% supporting sanctions on Russia, ~60% favoring government stance of doing nothing and staying neutral.
 

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Russia has worked on solidifying relations with both India and China for decades. Russian PR is still working full time in China and India -- they both see vast majority of information and messaging based on Russia's disinformation, with almost zero Western viewpoint in China, and very small minority of news in India even mentions Ukraine, and when it does, it is either a "both sides" story or a story blaming the US for the plight of Ukrainians. India social media overwhelmingly pro Russia messaging (coming as much from Chinese sources as India).

As a result:
10% of Chinese polled blame Russia for Ukraine
India hasn't bothered with recent polls, as Ukraine has basically been a non-issue there other than getting their students out - but earlier polls had ~30% supporting sanctions on Russia, ~60% favoring government stance of doing nothing and staying neutral.


I wonder if things will ever get to the point where all Chinese and Indian nationals will have their assets seized and asked to leave the USA until Russia admits defeat and pays war reparations to Ukraine. I suppose China and India will help with that too.
 
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