Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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rommelrommel

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What the actual...

Give Putin one day to execute those soldiers or get glassed over. Fuck it, lets go out in a bright light.

Which soldiers? How do you prove it even to more likely than not? Small scale war crimes are very hard to get individual justice for. The head you can get will be the local commander that said kill the adults and do what you want with the kids, and even that will take time.

The fog of war has always been used to commit atrocities, modern western ones have been extreme outliers but they still happen.
 

uallas5

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Putin fights his war like a medieval war lord, winning by causing as much widespread destruction as possible. He's done this in Georgia, Chechnya, and the first incursion into Ukraine in 2014. Not sure why anyone would think 2022 would be any different. He doesn't care about the lives of his own soldiers, why would care about anyone else?

Take Mariupol for example. Give lip service to cease fires and evacuation corridors then bomb the crap out of evacuating civilians. The affect is twofold. First it causes terror. Second, by denying the ability of non-combatants to leave, you increase the pressure on those who remain. Every group of people to get out were less mouths to feed, less wounded to care for, less elderly and children for the defenders to worry about. The last thing Putin wants is to make it easier on the Ukrainians defending that city. If winning means turning Ukraine into a pile of rubble and killing every man, woman, and child, while at the time losing huge swathes of his army, so be it.
 

Zorba

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Putin fights his war like a medieval war lord, winning by causing as much widespread destruction as possible. He's done this in Georgia, Chechnya, and the first incursion into Ukraine in 2014. Not sure why anyone would think 2022 would be any different. He doesn't care about the lives of his own soldiers, why would care about anyone else?

Take Mariupol for example. Give lip service to cease fires and evacuation corridors then bomb the crap out of evacuating civilians. The affect is twofold. First it causes terror. Second, by denying the ability of non-combatants to leave, you increase the pressure on those who remain. Every group of people to get out were less mouths to feed, less wounded to care for, less elderly and children for the defenders to worry about. The last thing Putin wants is to make it easier on the Ukrainians defending that city. If winning means turning Ukraine into a pile of rubble and killing every man, woman, and child, while at the time losing huge swathes of his army, so be it.
Really makes senses that we have much more strict sanctions on Cuba then Russia, doesn't it?
 

outriding

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I vote for sending all captured Russian soldiers to another country where they can be tried for war crimes.
 

Jaskalas

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With need a naval blockade on Russia.
Or hell, TAKE the Black Sea / Crimea from them ourselves.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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(Yes, I know what you're saying.)
Not entirely sure that you do. For most that want war, raping children and killing civilians is the purpose. To instill fear in a civilian population with the goal of enforcing compliance, along with a healthy dose of inhumanity so certain individuals can get their rocks off.
 
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quikah

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Reading through various accounts about Bucha, one comment really hit me. The mobile crematoriums we heard about at the beginning? Those weren't for the RU soldiers.
 
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Iron Woode

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The lunatic Trumpers have concocted more propaganda. They are now claiming the bodies found in Bucha were planted there by UA forces as a false flag operation to smear Russia's reputation.

How do people get so fucking deluded?
 

Muse

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The lunatic Trumpers have concocted more propaganda. They are now claiming the bodies found in Bucha were planted there by UA forces as a false flag operation to smear Russia's reputation.

How do people get so fucking deluded?
I think I saw info that Russia was denying, so the Trumpers are copy catting that BS.
 
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Muse

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Vlad pays them well.
I watched Frontline's documentary on the stolen election conspiracy craze in the USA last night. I'm convinced that Russia's largely behind it, although they didn't discuss that. What better way to drive an iron wedge into America than destroy confidence in the election process? A great many Americans are extremely gullible, and that's painting the pretty picture. The more accurate one is that a great many people in America are really really stupid and can be made to believe damn near anything.
 
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I think I saw info that Russia was denying, so the Trumpers are copy catting that BS.
Well, there is this ....

Ukrainian mayor shows dead bodies in liberated city of Bucha

www.msn.com.ico
Reuters on MSN.com|5 hours ago
The mayor of a Ukrainian city on the northern outskirts of Kyiv on Sunday showed journalists dead bodies in an area that, he said, Chechen fighters controlled during the month that Russian forces occupied the city.




 
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Racan

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The lunatic Trumpers have concocted more propaganda. They are now claiming the bodies found in Bucha were planted there by UA forces as a false flag operation to smear Russia's reputation.

How do people get so fucking deluded?
They didn't come up with this, it's Russian propaganda:

from Oleg Tsaryov - Wikipedia telegram channel

Telegram: Contact @olegtsarov

deepl translation:
SBU prepares cynical provocation with corpses to accuse Russia of war crimes

According to our sources in Kiev, the SBU is preparing a large-scale provocation to accuse Russian troops of mass murder and torture of civilians. To this end, the corpses of those killed in SBU custody are being transported to the towns of Irpen and Bucha, where bloody battles took place. As is known, these towns were abandoned by Russian troops as part of the redeployment. The Americans instructed the SBU to urgently take all those shot in their chambers to these cities, to scatter the corpses in the streets and in the ruined houses. The task was to take to Irpen and Bucha about 300 corpses of dead citizens of Ukraine, including those shot in SBU cells. In particular, the SBU arrested all those who cooperated with Oleg Tsarev during the distribution of humanitarian aid in the settlement of Borodyanka. They were shot and their corpses were transported to Bucha and Irpen.

The gruesome footage of the dead, most of whom were shot in the back of the head, will be presented to the world media as evidence of the brutal treatment of the local population by Russian troops. As conceived by the SBU and their American handlers, all this should follow the scenario of the staged "chemical attack" in the Syrian city of Douma. There, the MI6-controlled pseudo-humanitarian organization, the White Helmets, staged a whole spectacle with hosing water down the alleged victims of the Syrian chemical attack. Later it turned out that it was all staged by the White Helmets. Later witnesses of this action testified to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague, but the organization's leadership let the investigation go cold.

Since the time of Petro Poroshenko, the SBU has been very good at organizing "death squads. The SBU-controlled militant squads carried out massacres of dissenters, or simply committed high-profile murders for political reasons. For example, journalist Pavel Sheremet was blown up in his car. The lawyer Yuri Grabovsky and dozens of other critics of the Poroshenko regime were brutally tortured and killed.

It becomes clear why the SBU across the country has launched a real manhunt for sensible people or those who simply spoke out in favor of cooperation with Russia. Dozens of journalists, public figures, and human rights activists have been arrested, and many have already been killed. Today, their corpses, as well as dozens of others who were shot in SBU custody, are being transported to Irpen and Bucha. Foreign journalists are going to be brought there in the near future, so that the footage of "the atrocities of the army of the Russian Federation" will be broadcast by all the world's media. The U.S. intelligence agencies are well aware that in order to maintain the heat of Russophobia in the West, it is necessary to show horrifying videos and footage of staged atrocities. The provocation with shooting down the Malaysian Boeing was organized exactly according to the same scenario.

Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the Office of the President, has already started to replicate the pictures with the corpses in his Twitter. Zelensky's next step will be to organize a public commission to collect facts, photos and evidence to accuse Russia of war crimes. The Office of the President of Ukraine hopes that such a campaign will help to reduce the negative effect of the publication by all the leading Western media of the facts of the brutal treatment of Russian prisoners by the AFU, as well as evidence of the penetration of Nazi ideology in the AFU.

Such a large-scale cynical provocation is done in order to organize an international tribunal in the West to investigate "Russian military atrocities" and accuse Russia of war crimes.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
 
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