Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[zinfamous]

Foot Soldiers are usually not Charged with Genocide or Crimes Against Humanity. Putin and the Top Brass commanders are the ones with those charges.

It's very rare, but yeah. Notable exceptions would be My Lai.

well. a lot of soldiers were charged, but only Calley was convicted, that bastard?

Those are really obvious exceptions, though.

This whole thing is looing like Putin and his men planned to send several battalions of children out there to starve and get shot it...peobably hoping he could sell stories about Ukraine savagery, killing these young Russian babes? I don't know, but it's really fucking evil what he's done with this army. These humans.

He intentionally sent them into a meat grinder, and I can't think of any other explanation for what we seem to be seeing right now. All I know for sure is that because that first bit is true, he hasn't yet started being brutal. Something much worse is coming.

I'm for arguing that direct hit on Slovenian consulate should trigger some more "direct" NATO response.

I mean, an announced specific target: "Russians, this is our one get-you-back. Everyone gets one. Here it fucking comes." sort of thing. I'm thinking about how when Dump illegally assassinated that Iranian dude, and we just accepted the expected retaliation on our base...which was also specifically announced to those at the base to give most of them time to evacuate. ...why can't NATO use that precedent? Don't say nukes.

 

[brycejones]

What if the moon falls out of the sky?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think Putin has gone senile.

1) He banked $600B for the Ukraine war to withstand the economic sanctions.
But the world has frozen 1/2 of that amount.
He can't access it.
How could he not have known this?
Why didnt he move the $ that was vulnerable to someplace where the world can't touch it b4 starting the war?

2) So now Russia's econ is fvcked for years to come if not a decade(s).
What if Putin launches nukes at a non-Nato country (ie: Ukraine)? He has nothing else to lose.

Easy go here:

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[RnR_au]

I though Russia said they had cool new hypersonic missiles that nobody on the planet could intercept. Guess that was a lie.

Its not in service yet.

 

[zinfamous]

Fun thought however I don’t agree.
As I heard someone say on the news “Dictators make bad decisions because there is no ready room or advisors to say”
“This is a bad idea”
“We are not prepared to do that”
“We don’t have the ammo/food/blankets/fuel/transport or whatever to do that”
Problem with all advisors to someone like Putin is:
A) They are all Yes Men because nobody wants to say No to Putin
B) Putin is under no obligation to listen or even have advisors
C) In a Dictators mind his judgement is always right and nobody else can be trusted

well, I didn't reply to that post with the link, but it's response. I should have linked it.

This is what I'm replying to.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498619309618503680

I didn't come up with that theory. That's basically what this link is reporting and putting together based on several other nuggets of scattered information. So, if that is the story, which it very well could be, holy shit.

That, coupled with what we've been hearing about the quick surrenders and how there's a bit more propaganda going out on RU radios, from Ukrainians, about a coup already happening back home, and you should retreat now. That kind of thing....probably all of it working to a decent degree.

If those guys were really sent out there starving, on a first live-round exercise during Basic Training...that also happened to be an actual invasion of a sovereign country...wouldn't you fucking retreat? Wouldn't you also now be confused that those calls were just part of "the game" that the officers are playing on you?

 

[zinfamous]

Easy go here:

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but then JEDI wouldn't get to shamelessly start his own redundant thread!

 

[kage69]

USA Weapon Technology is 30 years ahead of anything else in the world.

Absolutely false. China and Russia have acheived parity in a couple areas, and have eclipsed us in a few. Hyper-sonic strike missiles and AD systems capable of intercepting them reliably being the main ones.

Russia has undersea drones and also ones for orbit that do not have Western equivalents, let alone superior Western versions.

I wish it weren't the case but it is. I imagine we'll see the gap disappear relatively soon though.

 

[feralkid]

I like pancakes too!

 

[Brainonska511]

Then you won't be able to over-inflate your tires.


Edit:
For anyone stumbling on this in the future, it might not make sense, since was originally in another thread; that original thread's first post is here.

 

[evident]

Absolutely false. China and Russia have acheived parity in a couple areas, and have eclipsed us in a few. Hyper-sonic strike missiles and AD systems capable of intercepting them reliably being the main ones.

Russia has undersea drones and also ones for orbit that do not have Western equivalents, let alone superior Western versions.

I wish it weren't the case but it is. I imagine we're see the gap disappear relatively soon though.

i mean... just seeing russian tactics... it's just hard for me to believe they have anything remotely high tech. doesn't mean what they have isn't deadly though

 

[Muse]

As someone who was born during the Cold War, and then watched as the USSR ended their control of Eastern Europe, I really had hoped that Russia and Europe would be able to peacefully coexist. From being intertwined in business/trade, to an overall reduction in the size of their active militaries that were supposed to be no longer needed.

I was stationed in Europe, and I travelled quite a bit while I was there. I was able to see many of the sites that were left intact to remind everyone of WWII, the following Cold War period, and the absolute evil men are capable of. I had always hoped there would be no future sites like this added.

And then Putin (along with his closest supporters) had to go absolutely bat-shit crazy, and put us right back into that whole Cold War shit-show. From threatening nuclear attacks, to taking European countries by force, to finally not caring how many people are slaughtered all in the name power.

Now we are in an ever escalating situation, none of us fully knowing how far Putin is willing to go. At this point, he's either insane or just doesn't give a fuck anymore of what the end game is. It's honestly the most serious situation I've seen in my lifetime when you think of what could happen (and how quickly this has all happened). He could very well be planning to level Kiev while the world watches and debates how far can a civilized world allow him to go.

One of the last options the west has at this point (non direct military involvement) is to sanction all Russian gas and oil exports, which should collapse the Russia economy...at which point Putin might just say fuck it, and do something beyond stupid (which the world can't afford to happen).


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I have a very chastened, somber awakening concerning all this after reading the first and much of the second of these two Wikipedia pages yesterday. I strongly recommend reading them. Putin isn't going crazy so much as acting out the prognostications and determinations of Aleksandr Dugin, who appears to be the architect of the Russian geopolitical attitude that's in play here. Yes, Putin's a soulless autocrat, but Dugin appears to be the guy behind the current Russian obsession to annex Ukraine, and that's just a small part of his vision for a Euroasian future. This stuff is embraced in the Kremlin. I'm afraid that Putin's just as capable of unimaginable atrocities as Stalin, possibly worse.

Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aleksandr Dugin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[brycejones]

I have a very chastened, somber awakening concerning all this after reading the first and much of the second of these two Wikipedia pages yesterday. I strongly recommend reading them. Putin isn't going crazy so much as acting out the prognostications and determinations of Aleksandr Dugin, who appears to be the architect of the Russian geopolitical attitude that's in play here. Yes, Putin's a soulless autocrat, but Dugin appears to be the guy behind the current Russian obsession to annex Ukraine, and that's just a small part of his vision for a Euroasian future. This stuff is embraced in the Kremlin. I'm afraid that Putin's just as capable of unimaginable atrocities as Stalin, possibly worse.

Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aleksandr Dugin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That dude is scary. Also what is it with conservatives regardless of country that they are always projecting their own views and goals onto their political opponents? That dude is the nazi that Putin is looking for in Ukraine.

 

[Roger Wilco]

U.S. airspace closing to all Russia flights.

 

[Lezunto]

I though Russia said they had cool new hypersonic missiles that nobody on the planet could intercept. Guess that was a lie.

I think Russia is holding such weapons in reserve in the odd event the West quickly responds to what I believe is Russia's not-far-in-the-future military aggression against Poland.

Poland has been a NATO member since 1999.

 

[RnR_au]

I have a very chastened, somber awakening concerning all this after reading the first and much of the second of these two Wikipedia pages yesterday. I strongly recommend reading them. Putin isn't going crazy so much as acting out the prognostications and determinations of Aleksandr Dugin, who appears to be the architect of the Russian geopolitical attitude that's in play here. Yes, Putin's a soulless autocrat, but Dugin appears to be the guy behind the current Russian obsession to annex Ukraine, and that's just a small part of his vision for a Euroasian future. This stuff is embraced in the Kremlin. I'm afraid that Putin's just as capable of unimaginable atrocities as Stalin, possibly worse.

Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aleksandr Dugin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dugin looks to be the new Rasputin...

 

[Exterous]

Fun thought however I don’t agree.
As I heard someone say on the news “Dictators make bad decisions because there is no ready room or advisors to say”
“This is a bad idea”
“We are not prepared to do that”
“We don’t have the ammo/food/blankets/fuel/transport or whatever to do that”
Problem with all advisors to someone like Putin is:
A) They are all Yes Men because nobody wants to say No to Putin
B) Putin is under no obligation to listen or even have advisors
C) In a Dictators mind his judgement is always right and nobody else can be trusted

Naryshin tried to tell Putin "With the suggestion of Nikolai Platonovich, that we could give our, how to say it, Western partners, one last chance. Presenting them with the choice, in the shortest time frame, to force Kyiv to choose peace and implement the Minsk agreements," Naryshin told the president.

This was the result (I couldn't find the entire video but a longer clip was on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver)

 

[HomerJS]

I think Putin has gone senile.

1) He banked $600B for the Ukraine war to withstand the economic sanctions.
But the world has frozen 1/2 of that amount.
He can't access it.
How could he not have known this?
Why didnt he move the $ that was vulnerable to someplace where the world can't touch it b4 starting the war?

2) So now Russia's econ is fvcked for years to come if not a decade(s).
What if Putin launches nukes at a non-Nato country (ie: Ukraine)? He has nothing else to lose.

Only 1/2? We should have frozen all of it.

 

[Muse]

Dugin looks to be the new Rasputin...

Yup. Thanks for that link. That's an eye opener.

 

[Muse]

Looks like he totally trusts his inner circle
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On NBC news last night they said those people he was conferring with were bankers. They may have been wrong, I don't know, but it does make sense. My sense of it was that he is a germaphobe. I saw that said in this thread. I figured him to be paranoid about catching covid. I saw other photos of him super distanced from people he was addressing. Someone said here it appeared to them that his fear was assassination. I really don't know, but it's pretty obvious that he's very afraid of either assassination or covid, maybe both.

 

[NailBanger]

Looks like he totally trusts his inner circle
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I love your backtrack asshole.

 

[nicalandia]

Absolutely false. China and Russia have acheived parity in a couple areas, and have eclipsed us in a few. Hyper-sonic strike missiles and AD systems capable of intercepting them reliably being the main ones.

Russia has undersea drones and also ones for orbit that do not have Western equivalents, let alone superior Western versions.

I wish it weren't the case but it is. I imagine we'll see the gap disappear relatively soon though.

Dont believe the hype and numbers provided by Russia and China. Their weapons never deliver when required in the battle ground

 

[Roger Wilco]

Some more internal condemnation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498865184915529736

 

[kage69]

You can bet he's packing now all the time too. No way a guy who knows how to shoot wouldn't arm himself at probably the most tense time in his life, when the possibility of assassination isn't exactly remote. Any potential hero for the world will have to take into account that it's not just bodyguards they'd have to worry about.

Fingers crossed for a group of generals stepping up, saving Russia and the world from a loser who might be gone in a few years anyway. Or an oligarch pissed over losing 80% of his wealth, that works too.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Some more internal condemnation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498865184915529736

Wonder if this will snowball.... Once one person makes a statement, it becomes much easier for the next

 

[rommelrommel]

i mean... just seeing russian tactics... it's just hard for me to believe they have anything remotely high tech. doesn't mean what they have isn't deadly though

What the Russians don't have is very much of anything other than nukes and old armor.