Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[theeedude]

And how many offensive wars has Russia launched? No, Russia doesn't want success on it's doorstep. That would be embarrassing for certain Russians who feel entitled to global power broker status but have an economy the size of New York.

Look, since the Soviets and into today, Russia's foreign policy is largely based on threats and bullying. They are a military power, not an economic one, and the type of blackmail they're trying to pull off here is not really like the Monroe Doctrine at all, it's not simply an Off Limits declaration, it's a 'Turn back time or else' demand. What Putin is doing is more like an 18year old bully justifying being a bully because he's threatened by the 13 year old down the street who talks to girls and gets digits.

Starting to see why these other guys are talking about your password being compromised.

Monroe doctrine was also a turn back time or else, since it told other American colonial powers it's our backyard, get out.

 

[fskimospy]

Correct. But from Russian point of view, it also means they have to demonstrate that they ready to fight to keep NATO out of Ukraine in order for NATO to stay out. Which is why there won't be a war unless NATO decides to expand into Ukraine. It's for show, for reason you outline.

So why is this western hysteria again?

 

[Brainonska511]

Correct. But from Russian point of view, it also means they have to demonstrate that they ready to fight to keep NATO out of Ukraine in order for NATO to stay out. Which is why there won't be a war unless NATO decides to expand into Ukraine. It's for show, for reason you outline.

So Russia has to invade Ukraine to keep Ukraine, a sovereign nation, from forming alliances with other sovereign nations? (Mind you, NATO didn't necessarily want to expand the alliance to cover Ukraine anyway) Sounds mighty imperialist of Russia - stepping into another country's business like that. Why are you so staunchly defending Russia's behavior?

 

[cytg111]

Correct. But from Russian point of view, it also means they have to demonstrate that they ready to fight to keep NATO out of Ukraine in order for NATO to stay out. Which is why there won't be a war unless NATO decides to expand into Ukraine. It's for show, for reason you outline.

And Trump? And Brexit? And the novi? And the Syrian refugee surge up through EU? Border between Poland and Belarus? This motherfucker is instigating EVERYWHERE.

 

[RnR_au]

The whole reason Ukraine isn’t in NATO is because the US doesn’t want to fight over it. If we wanted a war it we would just admit them and dare Russia to do something.

This doesn't really make any sense. How do you then explain Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? The USA is willing to fight for them, but not Ukraine?

 

[theeedude]

And Trump? And Brexit? And the novi? And the Syrian refugee surge up through EU? Border between Poland and Belarus? This motherfucker is instigating EVERYWHERE.

Of course he is. If NATO is going to expand against Russia, why wouldn't he try to undermine it from the inside? Victoria Nuland probably cost Clinton the election by poking the bear with Ukraine last time around.
Belarus is playing its own game.

 

[Ajay]

This doesn't really make any sense. How do you then explain Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? The USA is willing to fight for them, but not Ukraine?

In part because they joined NATO in 2004. Russia was still weakened and hadn’t rejuvenated modernized its military yet.

 

[theeedude]

So why is this western hysteria again?

Large scale war being imminent is.

 

[cytg111]

Correct. But from Russian point of view, it also means they have to demonstrate that they ready to fight to keep NATO out of Ukraine in order for NATO to stay out. Which is why there won't be a war unless NATO decides to expand into Ukraine. It's for show, for reason you outline.

Is this bullshit?

How Russia’s Military Is Currently Positioned (Published 2022)

Russian forces now surround Ukraine on three sides, and Western officials fear a military operation could start as soon as this month.

www.nytimes.com

 

[cytg111]

Of course he is. If NATO is going to expand against Russia, why wouldn't he try to undermine it from the inside? Victoria Nuland probably cost Clinton the election by poking the bear with Ukraine last time around.
Belarus is playing its own game.

We cant possibly run the risk of hurting the regimes feelings, then better sacrifice some “buffer countries” so as to give him what he wants… Like we do with all criminals, right, give them what they want and they stop criming. Easy.

 

[fskimospy]

Large scale war being imminent is.

So I’m confused. Are western governments lying us into war or are they hysterically afraid about a war that won’t happen?

I feel like you need to pick one.

 

[fskimospy]

Also @senseamp I would be genuinely interested to hear why you think your logic doesn’t justify the German invasion of the Soviet Union

 

[theeedude]

Is this bullshit?

How Russia’s Military Is Currently Positioned (Published 2022)

Russian forces now surround Ukraine on three sides, and Western officials fear a military operation could start as soon as this month.

www.nytimes.com

"Russian forces now surround Ukraine on three sides" just means "Russia has areas bordering with Ukraine on three sides and has troops in those areas"
I am sure the troops are there, but so what? Interpretation is bullshit. That's basically Russia's entire eastern and southern European regions. Doesn't mean war is imminent. 130,000 troops for such a large geographic area is peanuts and not enough to invade Ukraine with 40M+ people and 500K+ military and also many paramilitary groups.

 

[theeedude]

So I’m confused. Are western governments lying us into war or are they hysterically afraid about a war that won’t happen?
I feel like you need to pick one.

They are lying into justifying a military build up and aid to Ukraine, plus as a distraction from their own internal political problems, IMO.

 

[fskimospy]

They are lying into justifying a military build up and aid to Ukraine, plus as a distraction from their own internal political problems, IMO.

You said they were lying us into a war, did you change your mind?

 

[theeedude]

Also @senseamp I would be genuinely interested to hear why you think your logic doesn’t justify the German invasion of the Soviet Union

"Justify" is a loaded term not really applicable to geopolitics. We don't have to justify, but we can understand the rationale from their point of view. Germany had its reasons to invade the Soviet Union, since it didn't have the natural resources (oil) to be independent, especially after failure in Africa, and USSR did in the Caspian basin. The alternative was to be a dependent vassal of USSR, which they didn't want for their own ideological reasons or pride.

 

[theeedude]

You said they were lying us into a war, did you change your mind?

They might escalate it into a war, if they keep pushing NATO into the Ukraine under guise of defending it. It could become a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[fskimospy]

They might escalate it into a war, if they keep pushing NATO into the Ukraine under guise of defending it. It could become a self fulfilling prophecy.

You are engaging in some amazing mental gymnastics here.

The west was lying us into war but now they are lying us into a situation where Ukraine might decide to join NATO and then Russia would launch a war of aggression. Lol.

Dude - lay off the RT.

 

[theeedude]

You are engaging in some amazing mental gymnastics here.

The west was lying us into war but now they are lying us into a situation where Ukraine might decide to join NATO and then Russia would launch a war of aggression. Lol.

Dude - lay off the RT.

Sorry situation is too nuanced for you. I've dumbed it down as much as I could. Apologies.

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry situation is too nuanced for you. I've dumbed it down as much as I could. Apologies.

If only I had traveled more.

 

[feralkid]

Sorry situation is too nuanced for you. I've dumbed it down as much as I could. Apologies.

Mr. fucking-know-it-all.
As if we needed another arrogant jackass on this forum.

 

[fskimospy]

Mr. fucking-know-it-all.
As if we needed another arrogant jackass on this forum.

EXACTLY. That place is taken.

 

[kage69]

Monroe doctrine was also a turn back time or else, since it told other American colonial powers it's our backyard, get out.

False, again you just don't know what you're talking about. It was a warning to European colonial powers the US would not tolerate further colonization, or puppet monarchs.

The Western hemisphere is not a sovereign nation. America wasn't telling Canada it wasn't a real country, that American security demanded Canadian subjugation and by the way the last 20 years don't count.

Care to try again?

 

[BD:)]

NM

 

[repoman0]

Mr. fucking-know-it-all.
As if we needed another arrogant jackass on this forum.

Just another easily ignored compromised troll.