Russia gets Crimea

[norseamd]

But like they say, be careful of the quiet ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

 

[zinfamous]

If NATO cannot deter Putin from taking Ukraine, I seriously doubt NATO can deter Putin from taking the Baltic states That's my point. That's why it is so important that Putin be deterred from taking Ukraine - this isn't only about Ukraine, it's also about all Russia's weak neighbors and whether he should be allowed to take them piecemeal. Although I will say that I doubt Ukraine ever regains the Crimea, which historically has belonged to Russia more often than to Ukraine, which Putin needs to support his port in bullying his neighbors, and which is now filled with ethnic Russians who want to be part of Mother Russia. Morally I think it should belong to Ukraine because of the relatively recent genocide against the Tartars, but I don't see how we manage that without forcibly taking it away.

The US sent 600 troops (I think total 700 for NATO forces?) and warship(s) to the Baltics early this week.

At least we see that the situation is being treated differently within NATO countries.

Putin refusing to speak to Washington now is certainly not good. It's the type of thing that leads me to think that invasion is imminent.

 

[werepossum]

There were voluntary military exercises this weekend for me. I refused to go, felt lazy and the invitation was before this Russian aggression. Maybe I should've gone to learn the use of the new anti-tank weapon NLAW. Who knows I might need the skills soon.

I suspect that the fledgling Russian Empire will grow quite a bit before it feels froggy about Finland again.

 

[werepossum]

The US sent 600 troops (I think total 700 for NATO forces?) and warship(s) to the Baltics early this week.

At least we see that the situation is being treated differently within NATO countries.

Putin refusing to speak to Washington now is certainly not good. It's the type of thing that leads me to think that invasion is imminent.

Yep. Sending troops into Ukraine would be considered a provocation (as well as being pointless since Putin already has troops in place to invade on a moment's notice) whereas sending troops from one NATO country to another is perfectly normal.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

I suspect that the fledgling Russian Empire will grow quite a bit before it feels froggy about Finland again.

Better to be prepared. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. On a more serious note, Russia has shown it cannot be trusted. We have already increased military spending for next year as a result. Trade will suffer for sure. Russia is driving itself into isolation.

 

[zinfamous]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

lol, I love this quote. Should be mandatory in the sigs for certain P&N contributors.

:hmm:

 

[theeedude]

yes, I do doubt that Putin is this stupid, but word from my sources in Latvia are that everyone pretty much assumes Putin will be sending his army in relatively soon.

You see, unlike the fantasy world where people like senseamp believe this to be "ancient history," nearly everyone alive today, in those countries, know full well what it is like to be invaded and occupied by Russia.

You are conflating separate questions.
Crimean Tatar deportation is ancient history.
The fantasy is thinking that Russia will just allow NATO in Ukraine.

 

[zinfamous]

You are conflating separate questions.
Crimean Tatar deportation is ancient history.

Tell that to the Tatars alive, today, that witnessed their families being taken from them. Tell that to those deported and survived, who either fled back to Crimea or live wandering in the barren shithole that is....almost the entirety of Mother Russia.

 

[theeedude]

Tell that to the Tatars alive, today, that witnessed their families being taken from them. Tell that to those deported and survived, who either fled back to Crimea or live wandering in the barren shithole that is....almost the entirety of Mother Russia.

Uzbekistan.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

Crimean Tatar deportation is ancient history.

http://www.euronews.com/2014/04/22/crimean-authorities-move-against-tatars-and-their-leader/

Ukrainian citizen and leader of the Crimean Tatars, Mustafa Dzhemilev, has been handed a document on the Ukrainian border informing him he is banned by federal law from entering Russian territory for five years.

This guy was already deported in 1944.

 

[zinfamous]

Uzbekistan.

...Chile?

 

[norseamd]

There were voluntary military exercises this weekend for me. I refused to go, felt lazy and the invitation was before this Russian aggression. Maybe I should've gone to learn the use of the new anti-tank weapon NLAW. Who knows I might need the skills soon.

i have been thinking about what i might be able to do if putin invaded finland

there is probably a lot that you could do online if you think about it

a lot of research on russian organizations and such. you also might be able to use publically available satillite scans and look for russian stuff

i might even think about going over there. i am sure there is something i could do like stuff with social sciences. i have some knowledge on history and cultural stuff as well as military shit

my ancestry is 75% norwegian along with some english, german, and some danish immigrants to norway. my adoptive great grandfather was finnish and i might have some finnish ancestry.

in the event of war i am sure there would be a lot of nordics from other countries who would go to war with finland. if you look at the history of war there are often a lot of civilians who go to warzones when a neighboring or ethnically or culturally related countries are invaded

 

[norseamd]

...Chile?

there are a lot of crimean tatars who live in uzbekistan because they never went back to the crimean peninsula

 

[norseamd]

This guy was already deported in 1944.

erdogan might be able to use this situation to his advantage

he might get the us more accepting of his consolidation of power

 

[Subyman]

So let's do a recap:

"Freedom fighters" take over Ukraine
Russia enters Crimea to secure $B's in Russian military assets
Crimea residents vote to join Russia
Crimea joins Russia
US is mad????

I heard an interview with a resident of Crimea. He was a school teacher. He said the Russian pay for a teacher was 4x higher than in the Ukraine plus they get a sizable pension. I think I'd be voting for an annex to Russia as well.

 

[cubby1223]

So let's do a recap:

"Freedom fighters" take over Ukraine
Russia enters Crimea to secure $B's in Russian military assets
Crimea residents vote to join Russia
Crimea joins Russia
US is mad????

I heard an interview with a resident of Crimea. He was a school teacher. He said the Russian pay for a teacher was 4x higher than in the Ukraine plus they get a sizable pension. I think I'd be voting for an annex to Russia as well.

Your recap is missing a few details.

 

[norseamd]

Your recap is missing a few details. cubby1223 is online now Report Post

well i decided to avoid the troll bait

 

[norseamd]

https://news.vice.com/articles/ukra...ng-the-border?trk_source=homepage-in-the-news

 

[Sulaco]

So let's do a recap:

"Freedom fighters" take over Ukraine
Russia enters Crimea to secure $B's in Russian military assets
Crimea residents vote to join Russia
Crimea joins Russia
US is mad????

I heard an interview with a resident of Crimea. He was a school teacher. He said the Russian pay for a teacher was 4x higher than in the Ukraine plus they get a sizable pension. I think I'd be voting for an annex to Russia as well.

Read a little.

 

[theeedude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

So that's what those flags are!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

 

[zinfamous]

there are a lot of crimean tatars who live in uzbekistan because they never went back to the crimean peninsula

oh.

I thought this was suddenly became a "name random country game."

I didn't think that accepting residence in a new country because you were forcibly removed/murdered in your previous country was a serviceable argument. At least...I assumed no one would propose such an argument...

 

[shady28]

Well, it seems that things are about to get nasty.

The US is refusing to allow Russian banks into FATCA verification. That basically means any transfers of US money to Russian banks gets a 30% tax. Any bank that wants to remain exempt can't act as a gateway either. That starts in July.

So what's next?

Russia is the #2 exporter of crude oil, and the #1 producer of crude oil. #1 exporter is Saudi Arabia. You rarely see this in the media - the only thing that gets mentioned is the amount of natural gas Russia sells, primarily to europe.


My guess is we'll have average $4/gal gas within a month from now. On Feb 7th the US national gas price average was 3.26, today its 3.66. That happened just on talk, and I think $4 will happen just on talk as well.

If Putin responds in kind by stopping oil (and nat gas) shipments to the west for lets say, 6 months...

And if you think they can't, consider this: Russia has about $550B in foreign reserves. That's about how much they export each year (of everything). Literally speaking, the Kremin could purchase all that oil and gas from its major oil producers for 6 months.

So, what does everyone think will happen to gas prices?

If it hits $8/gal, how many people will just stop going to work because of the expense? What will be the effect on the US economy, world economy, if the line labelled "Russia" in the chart below goes to zero for a bit?

 

[norseamd]

So that's what those flags are!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

The 2010 Census reported the largest group to be the 160,185 ethnic Russians (92.7%), followed by 4,871 ethnic Ukrainians (2.8%), and 1,628 ethnic Jews (1%)

first off the jews were forcibly relocated to the jewish autonomous oblast by stalin

second i doubt any jews give a shit about the place

it is supposadly nothing but a giant swamp

third i doubt the jews consider the jewish autonomous oblast a holy place of god

 

[norseamd]

Well, it seems that things are about to get nasty.

The US is refusing to allow Russian banks into FATCA verification. That basically means any transfers of US money to Russian banks gets a 30% tax. Any bank that wants to remain exempt can't act as a gateway either. That starts in July.

So what's next?

Russia is the #2 exporter of crude oil, and the #1 producer of crude oil. #1 exporter is Saudi Arabia. You rarely see this in the media - the only thing that gets mentioned is the amount of natural gas Russia sells, primarily to europe.


My guess is we'll have average $4/gal gas within a month from now. On Feb 7th the US national gas price average was 3.26, today its 3.66. That happened just on talk, and I think $4 will happen just on talk as well.

If Putin responds in kind by stopping oil (and nat gas) shipments to the west for lets say, 6 months...

And if you think they can't, consider this: Russia has about $550B in foreign reserves. That's about how much they export each year (of everything). Literally speaking, the Kremin could purchase all that oil and gas from its major oil producers for 6 months.

So, what does everyone think will happen to gas prices?

If it hits $8/gal, how many people will just stop going to work because of the expense? What will be the effect on the US economy, world economy, if the line labelled "Russia" in the chart below goes to zero for a bit?

and if europe and turkey refuse to buy any oil or natural gas from russia or allow and transportation of such and also declare sanctions against russia what do you think will happen to the muscovites?

 

[norseamd]

https://news.vice.com/articles/i-ha...-in-sloviansk?trk_source=homepage-in-the-news

https://news.vice.com/articles/unre...gaining-chips?trk_source=homepage-in-the-news