Russia & China vs USA.

[ThatsABigOne]

Ibex, are you ethnically Russian or Ukrainian? Just curious. 🙂

Agree with a lot that you say, the nationalists do not show promise for a better future of Ukraine. One of things that concerns me, if Putin will make Lukashenko his lap dog and force involvement of Belarus in Ukraine.

 

[BurnItDwn]

VICE: We Asked a Military Expert How to Invade and Conquer Russia

Military Expert: He Told Us to 'Embrace the Total Annihilation of Our Country'

http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-military-expert-how-to-invade-and-conquer-russia

Oooh this I will watch. I Really like Vice's Documentary work. Thanks!

 

[JumBie]

Meh russia and china hate each other a lot more then either dislikes the USA plus why would usa be alone?

Really? Read the news a bit more on all the deals Russia and China have made when it comes to trade and oil.

 

[JumBie]

In addition, much of the U.S. economy is based heavily on debt and spending (especially consumer spending). It has a JIT system that allows for only around two weeks' worth of food, fuel, medicine, and even ammo for various towns and cities, and is heavily dependent on resources overseas plus the dollar as a reserve currency.

Finally someone understands.

 

[zinfamous]

See, that's what I'm talking about. All of these things you mention you seem to have such strong conviction on and they are totally one-sided. Yet if you dug into these incidents you would find there are chains of cause-and-effect going back years and years containing questionable actions by both sides.

the chains of cause-and-effect are quite simple:

Russia spent multiple generations occupying countries, murdering and deporting its citizens, and replacing those popualtions with their own peasant people, forbidding them to live anywhere else. Thus, establishing "endemic Russian populations" in places that simply had shit to do with Russia, or even slavic culture over all (the baltics).

Now, I'm not one to hold blame over a people for the terror of their ancestors, but you have to understand that the only claim Russia has to any of this is through the hands of organized displacement. There is absolutely nothing real about claims that there are native Russian populations in these territories. The same was true with Georgia and South Ossetia. It would be one thing if this was in the past and people moved on, but Putin is bound and determined to resurrect the plutocratic Soviet state that he loves so much. Make no mistake--this guy wants the USSR back.

 

[Arkaign]

Korea showed how the US could take on huge numbers of Chinese and with only a slight advantage in weaponary hold them at bay.

The US, in Korea, really only had air superiorty and much better fire control for their artillery.

True, and that war was fought with nearly both hands tied behind the US's back (in both Vietnam and Korea).

The US unequivocally could annihilate any enemy in terms of a 'break stuff and kill people' campaign. What's not possible is occupation.

This is silly anyway though, regardless of tech, nobody wants nukes being tossed around, and that's exactly what would happen if any side felt sufficiently close to collapse or serious danger. Screw the hell out of that.

 

[Bryf50]

Keep in mind that the US has far more allies than Russia and China. Almost all of the next top military powers would be on our side.

 

[Colt45]

the chains of cause-and-effect are quite simple:

Russia spent multiple generations occupying countries, murdering and deporting its citizens, and replacing those popualtions with their own peasant people, forbidding them to live anywhere else. Thus, establishing "endemic Russian populations" in places that simply had shit to do with Russia, or even slavic culture over all (the baltics).

Now, I'm not one to hold blame over a people for the terror of their ancestors, but you have to understand that the only claim Russia has to any of this is through the hands of organized displacement. There is absolutely nothing real about claims that there are native Russian populations in these territories. The same was true with Georgia and South Ossetia. It would be one thing if this was in the past and people moved on, but Putin is bound and determined to resurrect the plutocratic Soviet state that he loves so much. Make no mistake--this guy wants the USSR back.

No one claimed south Ossetia is full of Russians, but full of Ossetians. Same deal in Abkhazia. These were autonomous regions within the USSR (within Georgian SSR).

Consider it like this, when Georgia left the USSR, these guys didn't. At least, not within Georgia. Right to self determination and all that.




You might have a point in the baltics, but that isn't the situation in ukraine.

Ukraine is habited by proto-slavs from around the 5-6th century.
1250AD, mongols come and kick ass.
500 years later Russians take it back to slavdom
and it becomes independent 30 years ago...

So who has claim? Maybe we should give crimea back to the mongols or turks. Or the proto slavs that don't exist and have since segregated and become identified as russian, ukrainian, belorussian, etc.

 

[Newbian]

Really? Read the news a bit more on all the deals Russia and China have made when it comes to trade and oil.

Hate may not be the best word for it right now but trading doesn't mean you like each other a ton especially with how close they are to one another where it helps make it easier.

China still hasn't forgiven Russia from stealing their lands in the mid 1800's.

Hell some of their maps still claim the land as their own.

It's just they have a easier time right now bullying their smaller neighbors and doing their best to steal their land.