Rush to Obama: Fight Me or I'll Own the U.S.

[Fern]

Oh I misunderstod then. I thought the whole 'people were taking him seriously' referred to the content of his remarks, or the silly claims that he is somehow the defacto head of the GOP.

But yeah, he's a serious threat as far as getting into fight with if you're Repub. He's got too much ammo (airtime). If you're a Repub you've got enough problems on your hands already. No need to tangle with this bombastic type. Slander/libel laws aren't much use to politicians either. It's an awful 'cocktail' for any Repub politician to mess with at this time. I don't fault them for backing away from him so quickly (actually the right move if done properly), rather the poor judgement to get invoved with him in the 1st place. That's flat-out poor judgement. IMO, doesn't say much for Steele ATM.

Fern

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Craig234
Gotta love Rush's ideology that he's so much more righteous than Obama because he earns his money - average Americans subsidize Rush for his blathering talk, and average Americans pay Obama's salary for his work for the country. What's really all that difference between the two? I'd say Obama is doing a hell of a lot more good for the country, for a lot less money, than Rush. But Rush's ideology is as usual blind.

This from the man wearing opaque ideologue glasses with a tin cup in his hand.

I see you've got a new 'thing'.

Lupi's post is just the sort of drivel you come to expect from a certain percent of posters who are clueless, but I don't understand what you were saying.

I'll conveniently interpret it to mean I have a new 'thing' that glommed on, like a parasite. I could be wrong

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm not sure why some people think this is somehow a negative for Rush. Hasn't been obvious that he's bating the WH? He knows Obama isn't going to take him up on his offer. Why do it then? Because he's the underdog championing his listeners cause. That is ALL this is about, not taking party leadership but appearing to be a gadfly to DC. He's in a situation which is impossible to lose. Obamas staff needs to stop eggong him on.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm not sure why some people think this is somehow a negative for Rush. Hasn't been obvious that he's bating the WH? He knows Obama isn't going to take him up on his offer. Why do it then? Because he's the underdog championing his listeners cause. That is ALL this is about, not taking party leadership but appearing to be a gadfly to DC. He's in a situation which is impossible to lose. Obamas staff needs to stop eggong him on.

It benefits Obama, too. Now the Republican party is in a stranglehold by its far right which becomes the largest unified force in the party. The moderates are pushed aside, no big tent ever forms.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm not sure why some people think this is somehow a negative for Rush. Hasn't been obvious that he's bating the WH? He knows Obama isn't going to take him up on his offer. Why do it then? Because he's the underdog championing his listeners cause. That is ALL this is about, not taking party leadership but appearing to be a gadfly to DC. He's in a situation which is impossible to lose. Obamas staff needs to stop eggong him on.

It benefits Obama, too. Now the Republican party is in a stranglehold by its far right which becomes the largest unified force in the party. The moderates are pushed aside, no big tent ever forms.

That 'big tent' full of moderates got McCain nominated and thus Obama elected as President.

 

[JD50]

Can someone show me the quote of Rush saying "Fight me or I'll own the US"?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm not sure why some people think this is somehow a negative for Rush. Hasn't been obvious that he's bating the WH? He knows Obama isn't going to take him up on his offer. Why do it then? Because he's the underdog championing his listeners cause. That is ALL this is about, not taking party leadership but appearing to be a gadfly to DC. He's in a situation which is impossible to lose. Obamas staff needs to stop eggong him on.

It benefits Obama, too. Now the Republican party is in a stranglehold by its far right which becomes the largest unified force in the party. The moderates are pushed aside, no big tent ever forms.

That 'big tent' full of moderates got McCain nominated and thus Obama elected as President.

Good chance McCain would've won if:
1) Bush was not such a dick
2) He didn't nominate Palin
3) The economy didn't crash

In fact I'd have put money on him.. well maybe if not for

4) the biggest money machine in U.S. political history

 

[frostedflakes]

Yeah, McCain being too moderate wasn't the problem. I agree that he probably would have won if the economy didn't take a nosedive, I think that's what pushed a lot of the undecideds over to the Obama camp. Palin probably didn't help either.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm not sure why some people think this is somehow a negative for Rush. Hasn't been obvious that he's bating the WH? He knows Obama isn't going to take him up on his offer. Why do it then? Because he's the underdog championing his listeners cause. That is ALL this is about, not taking party leadership but appearing to be a gadfly to DC. He's in a situation which is impossible to lose. Obamas staff needs to stop eggong him on.

It benefits Obama, too. Now the Republican party is in a stranglehold by its far right which becomes the largest unified force in the party. The moderates are pushed aside, no big tent ever forms.

That 'big tent' full of moderates got McCain nominated and thus Obama elected as President.

Not that it matters what i think since i'm English, but i have some experience with leadership and i can tell you that Obama won on his stances alone, had he been less of an excellent orator he still would have won.

For me, his win means that we will have US support ON THE GROUND in our mission and that has been asked for several years, the concentration on the Pakistani border is going to help finish the job in Pakistan.

To me, that matters, a lot.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And what kind of person goes on radio and/or television BY THEMSELVES and preaches to people? He and Doc Savage and the other mindless preachers of the right wing gospel are megalomaniacs.

What do you care? Free speech is free speech. The Obama Administration is foolish to engage Rush.

This is why Michael Moore, Air America and other left wing voices never really achieved the influence of right-wing talk radio...because the right largely ignores them.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JD50
Can someone show me the quote of Rush saying "Fight me or I'll own the US"?

They can't. You see, when it comes to liberals and their fear and hate of Rush takes over, all rational thought ceases...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: JD50
Can someone show me the quote of Rush saying "Fight me or I'll own the US"?

He said the winner of the debate between him and Obama will own the US.

ABC News? Rick Klein reports: Clearly enjoying the attention, radio host Rush Limbaugh today issued a debate challenge to President Obama, pitching the battle as one that will determine who will ?own the United States of America.?

I lost IQ points reading that article.

 

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: JD50
Can someone show me the quote of Rush saying "Fight me or I'll own the US"?

They can't. You see, when it comes to liberals and their fear and hate of Rush takes over, all rational thought ceases...

Pretty sure rational thought ceased well before Rush.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: Fern

Obama and his admin started it.


Fern

How do figure that? Wasn't it Rush who said 'I hope he fails' first?

 

[jonks]

Rush represents the 25% who stuck with Bush through everything. These are not minds looking to be changed.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: jonks
Rush represents the 25% who stuck with Bush through everything. These are not minds looking to be changed.

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Of course jonks is largely correct here but understates the reason.

The 25% that stuck with GWB had the unchanging minds of ideologs, and some how like some idiot in a speeding car who keeps their foot on the accelerator pedal thinking its the brake pedal. They know they need to slow down, but they are unable to conceive that they could be wrong on the relative positions of the accelerator and brake pedals. Long before Obama was elected and even before the election of 11/2006, polls showed the bulk of the American people thought GWB and the GOP were leading us in the wrong direction.

But jonks overstates something else, if anything, Limbaugh only has an appeal with 25% of the GOP, and 25% of 40% of the American electorate that identifies its self as republican, is only 10% of the American electorate.

No wonder the candidates Rush was touting in the Republican primaries of 2008 flopped flatter than pancakes in those nearly 100% republican plebiscites.

Tell me again how 10% of the national electorate possibly led by Limbaugh can even dare to claim its right or owns the national debate, when it did so badly in 2008?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: jonks
Rush represents the 25% who stuck with Bush through everything. These are not minds looking to be changed.

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Of course jonks is largely correct here but understates the reason.

The 25% that stuck with GWB had the unchanging minds of ideologs, and some how like some idiot in a speeding car who keeps their foot on the accelerator pedal thinking its the brake pedal. They know they need to slow down, but they are unable to conceive that they could be wrong on the relative positions of the accelerator and brake pedals. Long before Obama was elected and even before the election of 11/2006, polls showed the bulk of the American people thought GWB and the GOP were leading us in the wrong direction.

But jonks overstates something else, if anything, Limbaugh only has an appeal with 25% of the GOP, and 25% of 40% of the American electorate that identifies its self as republican, is only 10% of the American electorate.

No wonder the candidates Rush was touting in the Republican primaries of 2008 flopped flatter than pancakes in those nearly 100% republican plebiscites.

Tell me again how 10% of the national electorate possibly led by Limbaugh can even dare to claim its right or owns the national debate, when it did so badly in 2008?

That was then, it seems the Man of Blubber wields a lot more influence now.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: Fern

Obama and his admin started it.


Fern

How do figure that? Wasn't it Rush who said 'I hope he fails' first?

I think even before the 'I hope he fails' thingy, Obama mentioned mentioned Rush very early on as an example of 'we won't get things done with this kind of dialogue' thingy. That was back when Obama was talking about working together, reaching across the ailse, changing the old way things were done in DC etc.

But I mean, seriously, it is kind of hard to say Rush didn't say something bad about Obama first. But heck, he's a political shock jock. he's gonna talk about Obama whether or not Obama responds. That's just what he does, and has been doing for a long time. But then so have many others - all the other conservative talk show hosts (and there are many). But Obama hasn't responded to them.

Fern

 

[Lemon law]

After the Limbaugh message flopped so badly in the elections in 2008, I fail to see how Red Dawn can assert "That was then, it seems the Man of Blubber wields a lot more influence now."

Rush may think he has more influence now, but wishing, hoping, claiming, or asserting something does not make it so.

For every Cassius Clay who claimed to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee and defied the expectations by knocking out Sonny Liston, there are a thousand braggerts who say the same thing, and what do you know, those braggerts are usually wrong.

Go to any Prison, and judging by what almost all innmates say, they are all innocent men.

Tell me again, when have any Limbaugh assertions been fairly tested?

If the GOP leadership choose to follow Limbaugh, they will be an endangered species by 11/2010.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But jonks overstates something else, if anything, Limbaugh only has an appeal with 25% of the GOP

how do you figure, Bush's approval rating was in the low-mid 20s on his exit, and Obama's disapproval rating is about the same now. I'm guessing those are the same folks, and that they are overwhelmingly republican and likely overwhelmingly rush fans. This is supposition though. I don't imagine rush is "too left" for these people.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Lemon law
But jonks overstates something else, if anything, Limbaugh only has an appeal with 25% of the GOP

how do you figure, Bush's approval rating was in the low-mid 20s on his exit, and Obama's disapproval rating is about the same now. I'm guessing those are the same folks, and that they are overwhelmingly republican and likely overwhelmingly rush fans. This is supposition though. I don't imagine rush is "too left" for these people.

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Do the Math and you will see that many GWB fans are simply not Rush fans also.
And vice-versa. The Radical Right is not a totally homogeneous bunch, nor are GWB supporters.

What matters more is aggregate numbers, Limbaugh has around 10% support at best, and could go the way of Pee Wee Herman with a little luck.