Rush on IRAQ: "Wer'e doing the Lords work"

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Condor
I think I heard someplace that it was a Jihad. Isn't that a religious war?

so clearly we must counter with our own religious war :roll:

It is what it is. The difference between our belief system and thiers is that we differentiate between granularities of religious belief. To them we are all either Muslim or should die!

I know many Muslims. This is not their belief. This accusation is a perversion of their belief just as the current cynical use of the Christian religion by the Neocons.

All Muslims don't want us dead. Their belief system says nothing of the kind. There are opportunists on both sides who use religion as a tool to advance their private agenda. They use the tool to keep us in fear of each other and separated. They demonize their enemies and distort the teachings of their prophets and saviors to further their own greedy, deadly, un-spiritual goals.

Don't be foolded by them. The vast majority of the members of major religions around the world realize the God they pray to is the God of love and truth, not the God of hate and fear. To suggest all Muslims want us all dead is an irresponsible, divisive, dangerous untruth.

If this hate and fear mongering is true should we declare a holy war to stop the Muslim threat then?

When you frame it like that it's easy to see that Bush already has.

I think you missed the point that the Muslim has already declared war on us. If you have some good Muslims, tell them to go home and take care of the bad ones so we can come home. I know some good ones too, but I don't see them doing much except bad mouthing the bad ones. That won't help anything. Bush didn't declare war, he just responded to a declaration of war!

By that noted fundamentalist Saddam?

😕

He aided and abetted terrorists.

So did we, and ones just as nasty or worse than Saddam. It may have been an excuse, but in no way a justification. We also supported Saddam when we knew what he was, and allowed oil money to flow his way after '91 as long as he wasn't using it to rebuild weapons programs.

Here is how it works. When someone does as we wish they are saints, when not they are sinners. That's the criteria. What they do to their people and others is irrelevant in large part. Notice we have a nice relationship with China, and I believe you know what is happening to Christians in China.

It's all a matter of convenience.

No, it's a matter of dealing with reality. We live in an imperfect world.

BS. WS nailed it.......

We went to Iraq on a bullshit lie about WMD's. We didn't go on any big fvcking christian crusade....plain and simple. Spin it to whatever the fvck you guys want, just apologists in the making. Fvck Iraq, have elections and let them deal with the insurgants.

We support regimes as long as we get from them what we want, and could care less what they do with their own people as long as we're getting it.

Sometimes in foreign there are no perfect solutions, only choices, some being better than others.

With regard to China. Obviously I'm concerned about the persecution of Christians there, as I'm concerned about the persecution of people anywhere in the world. But whats the best way to deal with it? Clearly, we can't prevent it immediately. The best choice, as far as I can tell, is to engage them and work to move them towards a democratic society. Nixon's opening up relations was the right thing to do.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Condor
I think I heard someplace that it was a Jihad. Isn't that a religious war?

so clearly we must counter with our own religious war :roll:

It is what it is. The difference between our belief system and thiers is that we differentiate between granularities of religious belief. To them we are all either Muslim or should die!

I know many Muslims. This is not their belief. This accusation is a perversion of their belief just as the current cynical use of the Christian religion by the Neocons.

All Muslims don't want us dead. Their belief system says nothing of the kind. There are opportunists on both sides who use religion as a tool to advance their private agenda. They use the tool to keep us in fear of each other and separated. They demonize their enemies and distort the teachings of their prophets and saviors to further their own greedy, deadly, un-spiritual goals.

Don't be foolded by them. The vast majority of the members of major religions around the world realize the God they pray to is the God of love and truth, not the God of hate and fear. To suggest all Muslims want us all dead is an irresponsible, divisive, dangerous untruth.

If this hate and fear mongering is true should we declare a holy war to stop the Muslim threat then?

When you frame it like that it's easy to see that Bush already has.

I think you missed the point that the Muslim has already declared war on us. If you have some good Muslims, tell them to go home and take care of the bad ones so we can come home. I know some good ones too, but I don't see them doing much except bad mouthing the bad ones. That won't help anything. Bush didn't declare war, he just responded to a declaration of war!

By that noted fundamentalist Saddam?

😕

He aided and abetted terrorists.

So did we, and ones just as nasty or worse than Saddam. It may have been an excuse, but in no way a justification. We also supported Saddam when we knew what he was, and allowed oil money to flow his way after '91 as long as he wasn't using it to rebuild weapons programs.

Here is how it works. When someone does as we wish they are saints, when not they are sinners. That's the criteria. What they do to their people and others is irrelevant in large part. Notice we have a nice relationship with China, and I believe you know what is happening to Christians in China.

It's all a matter of convenience.

No, it's a matter of dealing with reality. We live in an imperfect world.

BS. WS nailed it.......

We went to Iraq on a bullshit lie about WMD's. We didn't go on any big fvcking christian crusade....plain and simple. Spin it to whatever the fvck you guys want, just apologists in the making. Fvck Iraq, have elections and let them deal with the insurgants.

We support regimes as long as we get from them what we want, and could care less what they do with their own people as long as we're getting it.

Sometimes in foreign there are no perfect solutions, only choices, some being better than others.

With regard to China. Obviously I'm concerned about the persecution of Christians there, as I'm concerned about the persecution of people anywhere in the world. But whats the best way to deal with it? Clearly, we can't prevent it immediately. The best choice, as far as I can tell, is to engage them and work to move them towards a democratic society. Nixon's opening up relations was the right thing to do.

i.e. If you not like us, we whip your ass and force you to become like us.

 

[Riprorin]

Well, no. The use of force is only one option when it come to foreign affairs.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Condor
I think I heard someplace that it was a Jihad. Isn't that a religious war?

so clearly we must counter with our own religious war :roll:

It is what it is. The difference between our belief system and thiers is that we differentiate between granularities of religious belief. To them we are all either Muslim or should die!

I know many Muslims. This is not their belief. This accusation is a perversion of their belief just as the current cynical use of the Christian religion by the Neocons.

All Muslims don't want us dead. Their belief system says nothing of the kind. There are opportunists on both sides who use religion as a tool to advance their private agenda. They use the tool to keep us in fear of each other and separated. They demonize their enemies and distort the teachings of their prophets and saviors to further their own greedy, deadly, un-spiritual goals.

Don't be foolded by them. The vast majority of the members of major religions around the world realize the God they pray to is the God of love and truth, not the God of hate and fear. To suggest all Muslims want us all dead is an irresponsible, divisive, dangerous untruth.

If this hate and fear mongering is true should we declare a holy war to stop the Muslim threat then?

When you frame it like that it's easy to see that Bush already has.

I think you missed the point that the Muslim has already declared war on us. If you have some good Muslims, tell them to go home and take care of the bad ones so we can come home. I know some good ones too, but I don't see them doing much except bad mouthing the bad ones. That won't help anything. Bush didn't declare war, he just responded to a declaration of war!

By that noted fundamentalist Saddam?

😕

He aided and abetted terrorists.

So did we, and ones just as nasty or worse than Saddam. It may have been an excuse, but in no way a justification. We also supported Saddam when we knew what he was, and allowed oil money to flow his way after '91 as long as he wasn't using it to rebuild weapons programs.

Here is how it works. When someone does as we wish they are saints, when not they are sinners. That's the criteria. What they do to their people and others is irrelevant in large part. Notice we have a nice relationship with China, and I believe you know what is happening to Christians in China.

It's all a matter of convenience.

No, it's a matter of dealing with reality. We live in an imperfect world.

I've seen reality Rip in ways I will never go into here. I understand both the ideology and the pragmatism. Often they compete. Still, whether Baghdad or Beijing, murder is murder. If you say we attacked Saddam because we could and not China because we can't I can understand that. That is not how this has gone down. How often has Saddam been called "evil"? Constantly. How often do we make that statement about China? Never. In fact we just said that Taiwan belongs to communist China. It is expedient to do this. Again I understand it. What galls me is that we seem to be making a moral judgment on Saddam, and attacked not him but others in Iraq. We killed the innocent with the guilty. As you say it's an imperfect world. I am tired of hearing about liberty paid with the blood of others when they have no say in the matter. If God judges nations this will be held against us. There was no imperative here. Expediency. I saw it once. I see it again.

 

[Red Dawn]

Doing the Lords work with a M16 YeeHaw!!