Rush Limbaugh resigns from ESPN, apparently a hypocritcal drug addict as well.

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Zebo

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Race baiting witch hunt.

I bet those appalled by Dixie Chicks treatment and boycotts are delighted RUSH is canned. Double standards never cease to amaze.

I defended both as it's thier right to speech, futhermore dispite disagreeing with everything comming out of his mouth, what Rush said was not racist.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Race baiting witch hunt.

I bet those appalled by Dixie Chicks treatment and boycotts are delighted RUSH is canned. Double standards never cease to amaze.

I defended both as it's thier right to speech, futhermore dispite disagreeing with everything comming out of his mouth, what Rush said was not racist.
No it wasn't. It also wasn't true or smart either. Was he forced to resign or is it a case of him not being able to take the heat?
 

Zebo

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Was he forced to resign or is it a case of him not being able to take the heat?

Good question but I'm not sure how relevent it is beyond curiosity of how wimpy he is;)
 

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Another fine example of how liberals have hijacked this country to the point that the truth is no longer allowed unless if fits their agenda.

Agreed. Truly sickening.

Same thing happended with Jason Blair. The NY times reporter.

face the truth.
 

Linflas

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I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: jbarwick78
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Another fine example of how liberals have hijacked this country to the point that the truth is no longer allowed unless if fits their agenda.

Agreed. Truly sickening.

Same thing happended with Jason Blair. The NY times reporter.

face the truth.

Liberal media eh? you mean the same ones that screwed over the Dixie Chicks and played thier comments over and over?

Get a clue morons, the medias only desire is controversy and the products it sells. That's what they push.... no agenda AFAICT.
 

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Originally posted by: Linflas
I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe

I always thought he was on crack not OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone. :p
 

tm37

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Originally posted by: Linflas
I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe

The NY Times is qouting a story that is going to run in the national enquirer.

A FORMER employee has made accusations.

Yeah this is totally for real.,
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: tm37
Originally posted by: Linflas
I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe

The NY Times is qouting a story that is going to run in the national enquirer.

A FORMER employee has made accusations.

Yeah this is totally for real.,
It was also reported on the Drudge Report and the Today Show
 

Stupid comment no doubt, but one thing i will say, Al Sharpton is a problem starting worthless bag of ass:|

He and a few others started a boycott on Cincinnati, leaving alot of people (mainly african americans) downtown without jobs. I recently had to quit my job downtown due to not making enough tips. Him and his boycotts can go fvck themselves!


:| Al Sharpton :| is the devil.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Linflas
I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe

Maybe it's just me, but I can't take seriously any media organization that spells "says" as "sez".
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

I think that was Jim Bohannon.

No, it was me in the DC thread.

And what the DCs said was not twisted. What Limbaugh said HAS been twisted. Nearly every TV news or radio broadcast has misrepresented what he said.

There was no "social consequences" for Limbaugh. Nobody really cared but the press.
 

Triumph

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I only wish Rush had picked a better candidate for making his statement. Maybe it wouldn't have gotten as much attention, but if he had said something like, "Kordell Stewart gets attention because he's black," at least he would've had people more people who agreed with him.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Amused
No, it was me in the DC thread.

And what the DCs said was not twisted. What Limbaugh said HAS been twisted. Nearly every TV news or radio broadcast has misrepresented what he said.

There was no "social consequences" for Limbaugh. Nobody really cared but the press.

I'm pretty sure he said it at some point. I listen to him pretty much every day. Bohannon is one of the only people I can stand to listen to talk about politics and social issues.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: Amused
No, it was me in the DC thread.

And what the DCs said was not twisted. What Limbaugh said HAS been twisted. Nearly every TV news or radio broadcast has misrepresented what he said.

There was no "social consequences" for Limbaugh. Nobody really cared but the press.

I'm pretty sure he said it at some point. I listen to him pretty much every day. Bohannon is one of the only people I can stand to listen to talk about politics and social issues.

I don't know who he is, but he too may have said it. It isn't all that original of a thought. It's only common sense.
 

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Another fine example of how liberals have hijacked this country to the point that the truth is no longer allowed unless if fits their agenda.

:( almost time for a revolution...
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Another fine example of how liberals have hijacked this country to the point that the truth is no longer allowed unless if fits their agenda.

Agreed. Truly sickening.

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Orsorum grow a brain and observe reality.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: tm37
Here is Rush's transcript of his responce and if you got to his site he has put up streams of the actuall statements in question.

I really don't see or hear for that matter how anyone can claim that what he said is racist. Rush has said in the past on his show he didn't understand why McNabb got the accolades he did. Basically people are calling Rush a racist because he called the sports media racist.


BEGIN TRANSCRIPT 1:07 PM EST

We've got phone calls that are lined up. People have questions and comments about this furor that has erupted over words I spoke on ESPN Sunday involving the media's coverage of Donovan McNabb, the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, let me just say this. For those of you who did not see the show Sunday and have only heard of this through various media organs, sports talk radio, television, newspapers or what have you, we had a discussion on Donovan McNabb on Sunday.

After two weeks, the Eagles had disappointed everybody and McNabb had not played well so there was a discussion segment on what's wrong. Actually we did two of them. We had one on the Eagles and later we had one specifically on what's wrong with McNabb. You know, we talk about this the day before in production meetings, and everybody lays out what it is they're going to say, because this is how segments end up being timed and determined whether or not it's worth doing after listening to the opinions that are expressed.

Now, I'm there, I sit in my own little chair over in my little area away from the main panel. I'm a fan. That's my presentation on the program. I'm to represent the fan as opposed to being a sports journalist, and my primary function is to challenge things I hear that I may question, disagree with or need further explanation on as the other guys in the group are discussing them. And when the McNabb thing came up, certain things were said, and I wanted to get in on it so I threw the red flag representing it was a Rush Challenge.



And basically what I said was, as a fan, that the Eagles are here in trouble, that they're 0-2 to start the season and they had not done well, had not shown much potential in either of the two losses - and we were discussing McNabb, and I was as a fan offered the opinion that I, as a fan, don't think he's as good as others have made him out to be. Not that he's a bad quarterback, not that he shouldn't be there, but that he's just not as good as everybody says. And I think his reputation - really I was comparing his reputation on the field to his reputation in the media. The media has portrayed Donovan McNabb as a great quarterback, and they have given him, have credited him almost exclusively with the Eagles' success, and I've always thought that there were more components to the Eagles' success than just the quarterback.

I've always thought that teams that have a quarterback that accumulates more rushing yards than the running backs are actually not going to win championships; this is the NFL, not the NCAA. The Eagles had a previous quarterback like this. Randall Cunningham was a great quarterback, but he was a rushing quarterback as well, and he oftentimes didn't lead the team in rushing, but he was close. And Cunningham got the same kind of treatment that Donovan McNabb gets by the Philadelphia media and actually the national sports media. So as a fan I simply made the statement that I think his reputation on the field does not match his reputation in the media.

And then I went further and said that I think that the sports media has a desire that black quarterbacks - remember, now, we're going through phases in the NFL just like we go through in our society. We go through society, "We need affirmative action because there aren't enough blacks in leadership jobs, or in jobs, period." Well, it's reached the NFL. There aren't enough black head coaches, which I also spoke about in an essay three weeks ago. At one point we didn't have enough black quarterbacks. Well, now, there are quite a number of black quarterbacks and it's my opinion that the sports media, being liberals, just like liberal media is elsewhere, they have a desire that black quarterbacks excel and do very well so that their claims that blacks are being denied opportunity can be validated.

They've got a vested (interest), they've pushed the idea all these years, they have accelerated the notion that it's unfair that blacks haven't been quarterbacks - and I agree with that - and so they've got a vested interest when the quarterback position opens up to blacks that they do well. And I have simply said that their desire for McNabb to do well has caused them to rate him a little higher than perhaps he actually is. That's what I said. I find it interesting that in the immediate hours and days after this program, nobody said a word. There was no - at least nobody told me at ESPN that they were inundated with response.



This thing is alive and kicking today because the Philadelphia sports media, the newspapers, decided to kick it up. There was no immediate reaction among fans or viewers that I heard of. We had no phone calls here about it. Only yesterday when, I think, no less than four writers, columnists in Philadelphia newspapers started raising hell about this did it become a big issue. And then it's been picked up by local sports talk show hosts and media, many of them who do not have a history of listening to this program, do not have a history of listening to me, nor desire to do that, nor do they have an understanding of my overall positions on our culture, politics.

They think they do based on what critics of this program have said and written, but when you get down to it they probably have not listened. So it was real simple. I simply said, "It's totally understandable that the sports media, having made the case that it's unfair blacks had been denied the quarterback position all these years have a vested interest in their doing well, and so maybe they hype them a little bit more than they actually deserve based on field performance, pure and simple." And, remember, now: it was a discussion on what's wrong with the Eagles and what's wrong with McNabb and is there anything wrong. And from that, why, you would think that I have, you know, gone back and wished for the South to have been successful and everything that goes along with that. I mean, it's literally incredible.

I think the fact is that I must have hit a nerve with this, because the reaction certainly does not - I think there's a sense of proportion missing here. The reaction to this certainly does not at all equal the so-called controversy of the comment. The comment actually was a comment aimed at the media, not even at McNabb - other than to say I don't think he's as good as his reputation is. It's not by any stretch of the imagination a put-down, doesn't say McNabb's bad. I guess if the sports media in Philadelphia and elsewhere are going to react this way, would it be fair to say that maybe they're not interested in black quarterbacks doing well? Or doing better?

I mean, if they're going to get upset with me for saying that their desire for black quarterbacks to do well might influence their opinion and coverage of him, I'll take it back and say, "Okay, you're not interested in black quarterbacks doing well." If that would make you happy. You know, this is such a mountain out of a molehill. There's no racism here. There's no racist intent, comment whatsoever. It was simply my attempt to explain why McNabb's reputation in the media - in my opinion as a fan, which now is apparently disqualified. You know, this leads into a number of other questions or discussions that we could have. According to the sports media I have no business being on ESPN. Why? Because I have no background in sports.



Well, I do, but not enough to satisfy them. So I guess if you listen to the elitist liberal sports media, I nor anybody else who hasn't been somehow close to the game or played it or whatever shouldn't be on a program where these items are discussed. And by the same token, I guess if you haven't served in the military you can't talk about war, and I guess if you haven't gone to the moon, you can't talk about space shuttle accidents or if you haven't been in the shuttle... I mean where does this stuff end? Who makes these requirements? Who are these elitists that sit on high with their condescending attitude toward everybody else? Where does this come from, and who anoints them as the arbiters and the judges of who is qualified and who isn't qualified to be a fan of a particular sport - which is all I am; no pretensions have been made otherwise, no assertions, and no attempt to cast me in any other light have been made on this program.

Fans are often wrong. Everybody disagrees with everybody when it comes to opinions expressed about practically everything, including sports. But there's some reason that this one has caused a volcanic eruption, and I can only assume that it may have hit too close to home, otherwise this would roll off people's backs and it would be laughed at more than anything else. But I mean, you should see some of the stuff that was in the Philadelphia media, folks. You Dittoheads are just a bunch of mind-numbed robots. I have a twisted view of America. My attitude is old-fashioned and whatever. I mean, the comments that were made about me in the Philadelphia media were totally oriented toward my political perspective, my cultural perspective and how it's wrong and embarrassing and antiquated and whatever judgments they made about it. And if anybody is entering politics into this, it's them, not me. I have studiously avoided it. Because I know people are laying in wait for it.

So I think that the critics here have a little bit to explain themselves. I think they have some questions to answer. Well, then who is entitled to speak about these things on the media or privately, publicly? Who decides that? What is the criteria for determining somebody's value or worth in this regard? ESPN's not exactly suffering because of the format and the casting of their new show. It's quite the opposite. So just who are they to sit in judgment of who is qualified and not and who's allowed and not to discuss sports, and then who are they to decide what is permissible to be said? You know, this is exactly, precisely it.

These are the people who claim to be the most tolerant among us. These are the compassionate left who claim to have the biggest hearts and the biggest degree of understanding, but they're the ones who are the least tolerant. It's in sports just as it is throughout the rest of our culture. The whole term "political correctness" stems from college campuses and liberals who are uncomfortable with hearing things that don't fit their world view, and who decided to take issue with those things they don't like and somehow they have succeeded in punishing people who say things they don't agree with. We've got hate crimes now in this country. You know what a hate crime is? You go out and beat somebody up, that's one thing.



If you beat somebody up and their skin color is different from yours, that's then a hate crime, which means they're going to punish you because of the way you're thinking, and they're going to assume the way you're thinking simply by way of the social construct that they have established. So all of these things are entirely political; they're totally established by the left. I've discussed this on this program for 15 years and I don't intend to stop. These are not the most tolerant people among us. They are not the most understanding. They are not the most compassionate - and in fact I would dare say that they are ignorant. As I mentioned in the last hour, two weeks ago I did an essay - maybe three, weeks run together - but I did an essay on the new NFL - it's called the Rooney rule, which has to do with the league's new policy on hiring black coaches. Because they don't think there are enough head coaches that are black.

There are 32 teams in the league, and only three black head coaches, and it's been determined that that's not right. It's unfair. The league has been threatened with lawsuits by Johnnie Cochran if something isn't done about this. So they created a rule. The rule is that teams when they have head coaching vacancies must now interview black candidates, interview black candidates. They can't say, "You have to hire them," because that's illegal. You can't demand that somebody be hired. I know the policy is well intentioned. The purpose of the policy, the intention is that owners in the interview process will discover that many of these black assistant coaches are very qualified, and that they'll end up hiring them, and go outside the old boys network of white head coaches that have been recycled from team to team to team.

Well, that's all well and good but I expressed a fear that this new rule could actually lead to black head coaches used as pawns. Two examples. Matt Millen, Detroit Lions, wanted to hire Steve Mariucci when the 49ers fired him last January. Millen publicly said, "Mooch is my guy," went after him. Uh-oh, there's the Rooney rules. Millen called five black coaches and said, "Would you come in and interview?" and they said, "No, you've made it plain you're going to hire Mariucci. It would be a waste of time." Okay, fine, but he had tried to interview them he tried to follow the policy but because he had been public about his desire to hire Mariucci, none of the black head coaches he asked to interview would come in, and he got fined $200,000.

If he had not said a word about wanting to hire Mariucci and had just brought these five head coaches in for interviews and then hired Mariucci, no fine. But he didn't do it that way. So the 49ers were next up. They had to replace Mariucci. They very publicly interviewed Ted Cottrell of the Jets and Greg Blache of the Bears. Very publicly flew them into San Francisco a couple of times each, very public about it, and then out of the blue, out of nowhere they hired Dennis Erickson from Oregon State - a white coach whose name had not been mentioned publicly at all. Now, I'm not accusing the 49ers of anything. But similar questionable things happened with Bill Parcells at Dallas, Jack Del Rio at Jacksonville, the Jaguars. My point was that it would be a shame if these black assistants ended up being used as pawns simply to keep the league out of court. I was very sympathetic to the black head coach premise and black assistant coaches in the league. Nobody commented about that. Nobody reacted to it at all, and nobody puts it in context with this McNabb business.

tm37, the liberals on this forum don't care. They're just angry people finding someone to blame for everything.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Race baiting witch hunt.

I bet those appalled by Dixie Chicks treatment and boycotts are delighted RUSH is canned. Double standards never cease to amaze.

I defended both as it's thier right to speech, futhermore dispite disagreeing with everything comming out of his mouth, what Rush said was not racist.

Educate yourself on what a double standard is.

People stop going to see the Dixie Chicks, because we as people can choose not to.

If Rush had stuck it out on ESPN, more people would have watched the show, because MOST PEOPLE AGREE WITH HIM on his comment. The liberal media is biased and racist. He wasn't making a racist remark about the player, it was about the media. That's why the media is making a big deal out of this.
 

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I caught a bit of Howard Stern this morning and someone was telling the whole story of Rush's prescription drug addiction. I have no idea how accurate it was but it was certainly entertaining. "Here's the cabbage."
 

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Originally posted by: Triumph
I only wish Rush had picked a better candidate for making his statement. Maybe it wouldn't have gotten as much attention, but if he had said something like, "Kordell Stewart gets attention because he's black," at least he would've had people more people who agreed with him.

Yes... he could have decided to filter his own comments... but, he did make a good point on his show. He was hired to give his opinion, so he did. Plus it was an accurate statement. I'm hoping that something good can come of this - with all the liberal newspapers taking advantage of this and now the news channels, I'm hoping there will be some kind of audience retaliation. We're coming to a point now that if a few conservative newspapers started popping up as competition, on both coasts, they would get some good business.
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: tm37
Originally posted by: Linflas
I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe

The NY Times is qouting a story that is going to run in the national enquirer.

A FORMER employee has made accusations.

Yeah this is totally for real.,

It does not matter whether it is real or not, the damage will be done by then in the inevitable media frenzy that will take place. All that remains to be seen at this point is whether he will hold his core audience for his daily radio show. Everything else is nothing more than side work. I don't need to make any judgements about Limbaugh personally to know exactly how this is going to hit the media since we have all seen it play out so many times in our lives. I don't have to be a liberal to conjecture about how this whole thing will play out in the media irregardless of the ultimate validity of the charges.
 

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A lot of people will tune into Rush's show today. Unfortunately, he said on yesterday's show that he'd be off today.

I guess we will have to wait for his response to the allegations...
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: tm37
Originally posted by: Linflas
I suspect his decision to resign has more to do with the headlines splashed all over the covers of the New York Daily News this morning than anything to do with his football comments.

Rush Limbaugh in pill probe

The NY Times is qouting a story that is going to run in the national enquirer.

A FORMER employee has made accusations.

Yeah this is totally for real.,

It does not matter whether it is real or not, the damage will be done by then in the inevitable media frenzy that will take place. All that remains to be seen at this point is whether he will hold his core audience for his daily radio show. Everything else is nothing more than side work. I don't need to make any judgements about Limbaugh personally to know exactly how this is going to hit the media since we have all seen it play out so many times in our lives. I don't have to be a liberal to conjecture about how this whole thing will play out in the media irregardless of the ultimate validity of the charges.
That is a very good analysis. :)