Rush Limbaugh resigns from ESPN, apparently a hypocritcal drug addict as well.

[notfred]

Asked about Limbaugh?s comments, Eagles defensive end N.D. Kalu said: ?He speaks well, he?s well-read, but he?s an idiot.?

That's pretty much my viewpoint... Which is the same as it was before this incident.

 

[Babbles]

Typical over-exagerated bias mainstream media attack. I don't agree with Rush 100%, however what he said really was not that offensive. If it was practically anybody else, especially some way left leaning liberal, nobody would have given it a second thought.

The mainstream media was just aching to find something, anything, to burn Rush on. The could not find any of substance so just contorted some observation of his and somebody made him into a racist.

 

[yellowperil]

Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

So if the Dixie Chicks have to deal with boycotts for voicing their views, so should Rush. Deal with it

 

[Pacfanweb]

The sad thing is, Rush was right about McNabb.....he really isn't all that great. He's a great athlete, but an average QB.
I never thought he'd make it in the NFL, and even when the Eagles were doing well I thought McNabb was only slightly better than average. Love his Chunky Soup commercials, though.
And he's also right in the fact that the press is way overeager to glorify black quarterbacks in an obvious attempt to show that they (the press) are not racist. They are doing the same thing in their attempt to get more black coaches hired.
Proof: Look at Kordell Stewart.....one of the sorriest QB's in recent history....but he got a total pass in the press about his crappy play the past few years, and put up on a pedestal when he did have a rare good game.
Now imagine if Kordell had been a "regular" white guy at QB. Think the press wouldn't have torn him a new one years ago? Look at Tommy Maddox since he replaced Kordell.....he's done a far better job, but other than the "feel good" story about his long road back to the NFL, he's pretty much taken for granted and gets nowhere near the attention that Kordell did when he has a good game.

Now I believe that if you're a good player, then you're a good player, regardless of what race you are, and that should be the end of it. If every QB in the country ends up being black, or white, it shouldn't make any difference, as long as they are the best for their particular job. You don't see white people raising hell because the vast majority of wide receivers and defensive backs are black, do you?
I'm sure that Rush and the rest of the ESPN show he was on confer every Sunday before the show and discuss what they're going to talk about. He wasn't speaking off the cuff, the whole staff knew what he was going to say, and went along with it. They knew it was going to cause a fuss, and that's exactly what they wanted.
Bottom line, regardless of whether you like/dislike, or agree/disagree with Rush, what he said was first of all correct, and second of all had the blessing of ESPN. You might not like the person who said it, or the way he presented it, but it doesn't make it any less correct.

 

[tm37]

Here is Rush's transcript of his responce and if you got to his site he has put up streams of the actuall statements in question.

I really don't see or hear for that matter how anyone can claim that what he said is racist. Rush has said in the past on his show he didn't understand why McNabb got the accolades he did. Basically people are calling Rush a racist because he called the sports media racist.

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT 1:07 PM EST

We've got phone calls that are lined up. People have questions and comments about this furor that has erupted over words I spoke on ESPN Sunday involving the media's coverage of Donovan McNabb, the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, let me just say this. For those of you who did not see the show Sunday and have only heard of this through various media organs, sports talk radio, television, newspapers or what have you, we had a discussion on Donovan McNabb on Sunday.

After two weeks, the Eagles had disappointed everybody and McNabb had not played well so there was a discussion segment on what's wrong. Actually we did two of them. We had one on the Eagles and later we had one specifically on what's wrong with McNabb. You know, we talk about this the day before in production meetings, and everybody lays out what it is they're going to say, because this is how segments end up being timed and determined whether or not it's worth doing after listening to the opinions that are expressed.

Now, I'm there, I sit in my own little chair over in my little area away from the main panel. I'm a fan. That's my presentation on the program. I'm to represent the fan as opposed to being a sports journalist, and my primary function is to challenge things I hear that I may question, disagree with or need further explanation on as the other guys in the group are discussing them. And when the McNabb thing came up, certain things were said, and I wanted to get in on it so I threw the red flag representing it was a Rush Challenge.



And basically what I said was, as a fan, that the Eagles are here in trouble, that they're 0-2 to start the season and they had not done well, had not shown much potential in either of the two losses - and we were discussing McNabb, and I was as a fan offered the opinion that I, as a fan, don't think he's as good as others have made him out to be. Not that he's a bad quarterback, not that he shouldn't be there, but that he's just not as good as everybody says. And I think his reputation - really I was comparing his reputation on the field to his reputation in the media. The media has portrayed Donovan McNabb as a great quarterback, and they have given him, have credited him almost exclusively with the Eagles' success, and I've always thought that there were more components to the Eagles' success than just the quarterback.

I've always thought that teams that have a quarterback that accumulates more rushing yards than the running backs are actually not going to win championships; this is the NFL, not the NCAA. The Eagles had a previous quarterback like this. Randall Cunningham was a great quarterback, but he was a rushing quarterback as well, and he oftentimes didn't lead the team in rushing, but he was close. And Cunningham got the same kind of treatment that Donovan McNabb gets by the Philadelphia media and actually the national sports media. So as a fan I simply made the statement that I think his reputation on the field does not match his reputation in the media.

And then I went further and said that I think that the sports media has a desire that black quarterbacks - remember, now, we're going through phases in the NFL just like we go through in our society. We go through society, "We need affirmative action because there aren't enough blacks in leadership jobs, or in jobs, period." Well, it's reached the NFL. There aren't enough black head coaches, which I also spoke about in an essay three weeks ago. At one point we didn't have enough black quarterbacks. Well, now, there are quite a number of black quarterbacks and it's my opinion that the sports media, being liberals, just like liberal media is elsewhere, they have a desire that black quarterbacks excel and do very well so that their claims that blacks are being denied opportunity can be validated.

They've got a vested (interest), they've pushed the idea all these years, they have accelerated the notion that it's unfair that blacks haven't been quarterbacks - and I agree with that - and so they've got a vested interest when the quarterback position opens up to blacks that they do well. And I have simply said that their desire for McNabb to do well has caused them to rate him a little higher than perhaps he actually is. That's what I said. I find it interesting that in the immediate hours and days after this program, nobody said a word. There was no - at least nobody told me at ESPN that they were inundated with response.



This thing is alive and kicking today because the Philadelphia sports media, the newspapers, decided to kick it up. There was no immediate reaction among fans or viewers that I heard of. We had no phone calls here about it. Only yesterday when, I think, no less than four writers, columnists in Philadelphia newspapers started raising hell about this did it become a big issue. And then it's been picked up by local sports talk show hosts and media, many of them who do not have a history of listening to this program, do not have a history of listening to me, nor desire to do that, nor do they have an understanding of my overall positions on our culture, politics.

They think they do based on what critics of this program have said and written, but when you get down to it they probably have not listened. So it was real simple. I simply said, "It's totally understandable that the sports media, having made the case that it's unfair blacks had been denied the quarterback position all these years have a vested interest in their doing well, and so maybe they hype them a little bit more than they actually deserve based on field performance, pure and simple." And, remember, now: it was a discussion on what's wrong with the Eagles and what's wrong with McNabb and is there anything wrong. And from that, why, you would think that I have, you know, gone back and wished for the South to have been successful and everything that goes along with that. I mean, it's literally incredible.

I think the fact is that I must have hit a nerve with this, because the reaction certainly does not - I think there's a sense of proportion missing here. The reaction to this certainly does not at all equal the so-called controversy of the comment. The comment actually was a comment aimed at the media, not even at McNabb - other than to say I don't think he's as good as his reputation is. It's not by any stretch of the imagination a put-down, doesn't say McNabb's bad. I guess if the sports media in Philadelphia and elsewhere are going to react this way, would it be fair to say that maybe they're not interested in black quarterbacks doing well? Or doing better?

I mean, if they're going to get upset with me for saying that their desire for black quarterbacks to do well might influence their opinion and coverage of him, I'll take it back and say, "Okay, you're not interested in black quarterbacks doing well." If that would make you happy. You know, this is such a mountain out of a molehill. There's no racism here. There's no racist intent, comment whatsoever. It was simply my attempt to explain why McNabb's reputation in the media - in my opinion as a fan, which now is apparently disqualified. You know, this leads into a number of other questions or discussions that we could have. According to the sports media I have no business being on ESPN. Why? Because I have no background in sports.



Well, I do, but not enough to satisfy them. So I guess if you listen to the elitist liberal sports media, I nor anybody else who hasn't been somehow close to the game or played it or whatever shouldn't be on a program where these items are discussed. And by the same token, I guess if you haven't served in the military you can't talk about war, and I guess if you haven't gone to the moon, you can't talk about space shuttle accidents or if you haven't been in the shuttle... I mean where does this stuff end? Who makes these requirements? Who are these elitists that sit on high with their condescending attitude toward everybody else? Where does this come from, and who anoints them as the arbiters and the judges of who is qualified and who isn't qualified to be a fan of a particular sport - which is all I am; no pretensions have been made otherwise, no assertions, and no attempt to cast me in any other light have been made on this program.

Fans are often wrong. Everybody disagrees with everybody when it comes to opinions expressed about practically everything, including sports. But there's some reason that this one has caused a volcanic eruption, and I can only assume that it may have hit too close to home, otherwise this would roll off people's backs and it would be laughed at more than anything else. But I mean, you should see some of the stuff that was in the Philadelphia media, folks. You Dittoheads are just a bunch of mind-numbed robots. I have a twisted view of America. My attitude is old-fashioned and whatever. I mean, the comments that were made about me in the Philadelphia media were totally oriented toward my political perspective, my cultural perspective and how it's wrong and embarrassing and antiquated and whatever judgments they made about it. And if anybody is entering politics into this, it's them, not me. I have studiously avoided it. Because I know people are laying in wait for it.

So I think that the critics here have a little bit to explain themselves. I think they have some questions to answer. Well, then who is entitled to speak about these things on the media or privately, publicly? Who decides that? What is the criteria for determining somebody's value or worth in this regard? ESPN's not exactly suffering because of the format and the casting of their new show. It's quite the opposite. So just who are they to sit in judgment of who is qualified and not and who's allowed and not to discuss sports, and then who are they to decide what is permissible to be said? You know, this is exactly, precisely it.

These are the people who claim to be the most tolerant among us. These are the compassionate left who claim to have the biggest hearts and the biggest degree of understanding, but they're the ones who are the least tolerant. It's in sports just as it is throughout the rest of our culture. The whole term "political correctness" stems from college campuses and liberals who are uncomfortable with hearing things that don't fit their world view, and who decided to take issue with those things they don't like and somehow they have succeeded in punishing people who say things they don't agree with. We've got hate crimes now in this country. You know what a hate crime is? You go out and beat somebody up, that's one thing.



If you beat somebody up and their skin color is different from yours, that's then a hate crime, which means they're going to punish you because of the way you're thinking, and they're going to assume the way you're thinking simply by way of the social construct that they have established. So all of these things are entirely political; they're totally established by the left. I've discussed this on this program for 15 years and I don't intend to stop. These are not the most tolerant people among us. They are not the most understanding. They are not the most compassionate - and in fact I would dare say that they are ignorant. As I mentioned in the last hour, two weeks ago I did an essay - maybe three, weeks run together - but I did an essay on the new NFL - it's called the Rooney rule, which has to do with the league's new policy on hiring black coaches. Because they don't think there are enough head coaches that are black.

There are 32 teams in the league, and only three black head coaches, and it's been determined that that's not right. It's unfair. The league has been threatened with lawsuits by Johnnie Cochran if something isn't done about this. So they created a rule. The rule is that teams when they have head coaching vacancies must now interview black candidates, interview black candidates. They can't say, "You have to hire them," because that's illegal. You can't demand that somebody be hired. I know the policy is well intentioned. The purpose of the policy, the intention is that owners in the interview process will discover that many of these black assistant coaches are very qualified, and that they'll end up hiring them, and go outside the old boys network of white head coaches that have been recycled from team to team to team.

Well, that's all well and good but I expressed a fear that this new rule could actually lead to black head coaches used as pawns. Two examples. Matt Millen, Detroit Lions, wanted to hire Steve Mariucci when the 49ers fired him last January. Millen publicly said, "Mooch is my guy," went after him. Uh-oh, there's the Rooney rules. Millen called five black coaches and said, "Would you come in and interview?" and they said, "No, you've made it plain you're going to hire Mariucci. It would be a waste of time." Okay, fine, but he had tried to interview them he tried to follow the policy but because he had been public about his desire to hire Mariucci, none of the black head coaches he asked to interview would come in, and he got fined $200,000.

If he had not said a word about wanting to hire Mariucci and had just brought these five head coaches in for interviews and then hired Mariucci, no fine. But he didn't do it that way. So the 49ers were next up. They had to replace Mariucci. They very publicly interviewed Ted Cottrell of the Jets and Greg Blache of the Bears. Very publicly flew them into San Francisco a couple of times each, very public about it, and then out of the blue, out of nowhere they hired Dennis Erickson from Oregon State - a white coach whose name had not been mentioned publicly at all. Now, I'm not accusing the 49ers of anything. But similar questionable things happened with Bill Parcells at Dallas, Jack Del Rio at Jacksonville, the Jaguars. My point was that it would be a shame if these black assistants ended up being used as pawns simply to keep the league out of court. I was very sympathetic to the black head coach premise and black assistant coaches in the league. Nobody commented about that. Nobody reacted to it at all, and nobody puts it in context with this McNabb business.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

So if the Dixie Chicks have to deal with boycotts for voicing their views, so should Rush. Deal with it

Big difference. Rush pissed off McNabb and the media,(like the media doesn't hate him to start with), but the Dixie Chicks pissed off everyone. The media would have kissed right up to the Dixie Chicks if there hadn't been a HUGE public backlash to their comments......then they had to somewhat go along with the public, not coerce the public to go along with them.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

So if the Dixie Chicks have to deal with boycotts for voicing their views, so should Rush. Deal with it

Espn did not recieve any calls the day of the telecast.

This is a which hunt, I listened to a bit of sports talk in my car today and they were basically saying that Rush said McNabb was a subpar QB because he is black which is not what he said.

Even Rome was very critical and while said he didn't think that Rush is not a racist, he did say that his comments about McNabb were "Over the line" and added "you can't judge a player by race" When in fact Rush didn't judge McNabb by his race he accused others of doing it.

 

[yellowperil]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

So if the Dixie Chicks have to deal with boycotts for voicing their views, so should Rush. Deal with it

Big difference. Rush pissed off McNabb and the media,(like the media doesn't hate him to start with), but the Dixie Chicks pissed off everyone. The media would have kissed right up to the Dixie Chicks if there hadn't been a HUGE public backlash to their comments......then they had to somewhat go along with the public, not coerce the public to go along with them.

Er, the Dixie Chicks pissed off conservatives. But I don't recall seeing too many liberals pissed off about what they said. Anyways, that doesn't really address the point I was making.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: yellowperil

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

So if the Dixie Chicks have to deal with boycotts for voicing their views, so should Rush. Deal with it

Big difference. Rush pissed off McNabb and the media,(like the media doesn't hate him to start with), but the Dixie Chicks pissed off everyone. The media would have kissed right up to the Dixie Chicks if there hadn't been a HUGE public backlash to their comments......then they had to somewhat go along with the public, not coerce the public to go along with them.

Er, the Dixie Chicks pissed off conservatives. But I don't recall seeing too many liberals pissed off about what they said. Anyways, that doesn't really address the point I was making.

They also pissed off millions of people, to the point that there was a groundswell of public opinion against them. I understand what point you were trying to make, I'm simply showing you that it apples and oranges. I'll bet my pay for the rest of the year that there won't be any public uprising against Rush like there was against the Chicks.

 

[Babbles]

It is really nice that Rush's co-panel (or whatever you wish to call them) abandoned Rush and just added fuel to the fire. They damn well know what he actually said, but they are giving way to whatever the elitist media wants to hear.

 

[tm37]

actually...

ESPN executive vice president Mark Shapiro came to the conservative Limbaugh's defense.

"This is not a politically motivated comment. This is a sports and media argument," Shapiro was quoted as saying in a USA Today column published Wednesday. "Rush was arguing McNabb is essentially overrated and that his success is more in part [due] to the team assembled around him.

"We brought Rush in for no-holds-barred opinion. Early on, he has delivered," Shapiro told USA Today

 

[yllus]

Limbaugh is in this situation because he dared piss off the mighty press. Not that I don't dislike most of his viewpoints and think he's a blowhard, but the statement he made here was an innocent one. This is just the media flexing its muscles.

One thing to those bashing 'liberals' for hypocrisy: Isn't this just the reverse situation of the Dixie Chicks? Both were mostly innocuous statements. Strange that so-called 'conservatives' find it acceptable to call for a boycott on one case of free speech and whine about freedoms not being when one of their own is the guy under the gun.

Edit: Damn, didn't read enough ahead in the thread. Repost.

 

[yellowperil]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

So if the Dixie Chicks have to deal with boycotts for voicing their views, so should Rush. Deal with it

Espn did not recieve any calls the day of the telecast.

This is a which hunt, I listened to a bit of sports talk in my car today and they were basically saying that Rush said McNabb was a subpar QB because he is black which is not what he said.

Even Rome was very critical and while said he didn't think that Rush is not a racist, he did say that his comments about McNabb were "Over the line" and added "you can't judge a player by race" When in fact Rush didn't judge McNabb by his race he accused others of doing it.

Well, I agree with you that the sports talk radio program you were listening to was wrong. Rush didn't say McNabb was inferior because he was black, he was saying the media was overhyping McNabb because he was black.

Nonetheless, Rush is not a newbie to broadcasting, and he knew (or should have known) his comments would be controversial, just as the Dixie Chicks knew or should've known their criticisms of GWB would be controversial. If you're going to exercise freedom of speech and make such statements, then you'd be a fool not to expect some negative consequences

 

[yellowperil]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
They also pissed off millions of people, to the point that there was a groundswell of public opinion against them. I understand what point you were trying to make, I'm simply showing you that it apples and oranges. I'll bet my pay for the rest of the year that there won't be any public uprising against Rush like there was against the Chicks.

Probably not, but that's because the Dixie Chicks' comments alienated their country music fanbase, whereas with Rush, well, that's the type of comment you'd expect from him. But that's not an important distinction for the point - the point is that both made controversial statements and should not be heard to complain when they get negative reaction.

 

[darqice]

heres my question:

Can anyone, anyone at all, deny the fact that maybe there is some truth to Limbaugh's statement: "I think what we?ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." Why can't there be honest discussion about this sort of thing without the cries of racism.

His previous comments had nothing to do with McNabbs race but his performance, and the above statement refers not so much to McNabb, but to the "liberal media." The fact that many, including McNabb himself had a response to this as a racial issue, shows their ignorance to what Limbaugh actually said. What a bunch of dumbasses.

Geez, what the hell is with all the racist crap. Who really gives a rats ass. I have yet to hear a racist comment in my life.

Hey, I'm a n!gg3r---whoo i just called myself a n!gg3r, does that make me racist. wait... im confused.

 

[EXman]

wtf?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: skypilot
I find it funny that all the democrats were calling for him to be fired while they all purport to stand for free speech unconditionally. Typical liberal hypocrisy.

Sarcasm on> Liberals are the source of all evil!<Sarcasm off

Liberal bashing has gotten to be really tedious.

 

[bjc112]

Can anyone, anyone at all, deny the fact that maybe there is some truth to Limbaugh's statement: "I think what we?ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." Why can't there be honest discussion about this sort of thing without the cries of racism.

Agreed..

The comment was out of line, but not outrageous..

Not enough for him to resign...

 

[Siddhartha]

The thing about sports is that a individual's performance and value is determined by numbers not "social concern".

Has McNabb been playing poorly? Yes. Did he play well last weekend? Yes.

Has the press been gentler with McNabb because the color of his skin? I watch and listen to the Sunday pre-game shows and have not detected this.

Do I think Limbaugh has an agenda concerning race? Yes.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: yellowperil
Someone mentioned this during the Dixie Chicks incident (paraphrased):

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

I think that was Jim Bohannon.

 

[SilentZero]

I do think he was wrong for making those comments...but were they bad enough to warrent resigning? Probably not. Was resigning the right thing to do for Limbaugh? I believe it was. Now hes going to be this weeks media target.

 

[Mucho]

Everyone is judged not only on the present but also on their past, it was not only what was said but who said it that matter the most. Can you people with flags as avatars honestly say Limbah is not a racist?

 

[StageLeft]

Seems an overblown reaction to me. For all i know it was true <- OH NO DAMN SKOORB.

Frankly I don't know because I don't follow or care about professional sports.

 

[dman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Seems an overblown reaction to me. For all i know it was true <- OH NO DAMN SKOORB.

Frankly I don't know because I don't follow or care about professional sports.

Ditto. I don't like Rush, but, I imagine it's possible what he said is true. Even then...
you just can't make any claims about reverse discrimination or preferential treatment for minorities w/o expecting backlash. It's a sensitive issue. He knows it--or should have. Therefore, I have no sympathy for him.

 

[Red Dawn]

I think Rush Blowhard deserved criticism for his comment but I don't think he should have been forced to resign..if he was Forced He and his followers from Podunk in the Bible Belt should get a lot of play from this though on Blowhards daily show.