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Rumsfeld tells it like it is

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Why don't the two sides just go ahead and go all out? Or am I missing something?
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The "Pull-out" or withdrawal method has been proven to never be 100% effective....

amish
 
Why don't the two sides just go ahead and go all out? Or am I missing something?
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What two sides? Israel could decimate these bastards in a week. They are nothing but a raving group of bandits.

All that's preventing Israel now is Sharon. Either Sharon is waiting for the right moment, or he's just showing his true leftist-bolshevick roots. I think it's the latter.
 
Originally posted by: dribgnikcom
Why don't the two sides just go ahead and go all out? Or am I missing something?
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What two sides? Israel could decimate these bastards in a week. They are nothing but a raving group of bandits.

All that's preventing Israel now is Sharon. Either Sharon is waiting for the right moment, or he's just showing his true leftist-bolshevick roots. I think it's the latter.
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I am not sure if we want this to happen. I say let them have their own country, and if the suicide bombings continue, engage that country in a more "normal" war and decimate them. Then they could take back that land as there own. Wait, this sounds kinda familier... 🙂
 
I ain't a historian on the stuff, nor do I really know tons about it or have a great interest in who is right and who is wrong (subjective anyway I guess)

But have the guys never heard the phrase "Mess with a bull and you'll get a horn up the ass"?

I guess they just don't have the organization to do a full coordinated attack (the pales)? I mean rocks vs. tanks is gonna be a tough fight. Doesn't look like they are gonna run out of fodders anytime soon either.

Why haven't the Israeli guys just invaded all the places where their enemy guys are coming from? I mean they just leave after a while. Why not just go in and put their flag up?
 
Why don't the two sides just go ahead and go all out? Or am I missing something?
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If both were equally equipped, that solution would get my vote. Let them fight until the last man is standing, and that man wins.

However, we've ensured that Israel has nukes, bombers, fighters, tanks, et. al. while we've ensured the Palestinians have nothing more than rocks, sticks, some fertilizer, gasoline, and diesel fuel.

Jee, who do you think would win?
 
Yes I'm sure Israel didn't build their military and weapons based on a little bit of their own ingenuity.

"Rocks and stones" my ass.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Why don't the two sides just go ahead and go all out? Or am I missing something?
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If both were equally equipped, that solution would get my vote. Let them fight until the last man is standing, and that man wins.

However, we've ensured that Israel has nukes, bombers, fighters, tanks, et. al. while we've ensured the Palestinians have nothing more than rocks, sticks, some fertilizer, gasoline, and diesel fuel.

Jee, who do you think would win?
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That's the point, why don't they just invade and throw up a flag? They knew where that leader dude was, why not just move into the area and claim it as theirs? That's the way war works after all. Whatever the bad guy has becomes yours.

Either the pales need one big ass organized revolt or settle down.
 
The leadership of both sides are nuts. Arafat's word isn't worth jack, and even if he really tried so stop the violence, his shameful excuse for leadership has spawned so much hatred that it is doubtful that his people would listen. Sharon has his own history of being a terrorist which makes him ill-suited to lead Isreal to a realistic peace.

That said, toidi gniregnomraw a si mockingbird. 🙂
 
Yes I'm sure Israel didn't build their military and weapons based on a little bit of their own ingenuity.
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lol! Where have you been for the last...oh...40 years? "Their" military is almost COMPLETELY outfitted with UNITED STATES hardware, to the tune of some $1.8 BILLION annually, most of which is a GIFT by the US taxpayer, not a loan, given that many loans to Israel are in fact 'forgiven'. Beyond that, many "Israeli" defense contractors are subsidized by US aid. You could say Israel demonstrated a lot of 'ingenuity' in convincing the United States to build and support their military.

Fighter Planes Quantity

F-4E Phantom 50

F-15 Eagle 98

F-16 Fighting Falcon 237

Helicopters

AH-64 Apache Attack 42

Cobra Attack 57

CH-53D Sea Stallion 38

Blackhawk 25

Missiles (quantity unknown)

AGM 65 Maverick

AGM 114 Hellfire

TOW

AIM 7 Sparrow

AIM 9 Sidewinder

AIM 120 B AMRAAM

Harpoon Anti-Ship Missile

As part of the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program, between 1994-2001 Israel was given the following weapons, among many others, at no charge:

64,744....M-16A1 rifles
2,469....M-204 grenade launchers
1,500....M-2 .50 caliber machine guns
.30 caliber, .50 caliber, and 20mm ammunition
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
If both were equally equipped, that solution would get my vote. Let them fight until the last man is standing, and that man wins.
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Um, they ALREADY did that and Israel won.
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Yep,

And Israel could defeat pretty much all the middle east countries... The US set Israel up so SWEETLY 😀




 
tsenter -

Before America started giving them weapons, Israel got it's stuff from various different places. America only started supplying Israel when the Soviet Union started supplying Egypt.
 
Why haven't the Israeli guys just invaded all the places where their enemy guys are coming from? I mean they just leave after a while. Why not just go in and put their flag up?
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Because the EU is fscked up.
 
Rumsfield is a right-wing militant fvckhead, just like Sharon.
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He is also a tool of the Saudis just like everyone else in the Bush administration. Why didn't Mr. "Tell it like it is" say that if the Saudi royals stopped funding the damn bombers, maybe there wouldn't be so many people blowing up Jews in Israel.
 
Israel is the "devil" we've unlawfully supported. I'm all for arming Palestine and invading Israel, making that nation (Israel) cease existing, and ending anti-American terror.
 
AZGamer, I am all for the Palestian swine attacking Israel. They will get their butts handed them once again, and this may be over for now.
 
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