Rumsfeld briefs Bush on Iraq war

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

It does not look like a legitimate classified document. I'm calling BS on this.

The BS is all yours. Rachel Maddow interviews GQ author, Robert Draper, about Rumsfeld's biblical references in intelligence reports.

Read my second reply.

I did. Where's your retraction about calling it BS?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

It does not look like a legitimate classified document. I'm calling BS on this.

The BS is all yours. Rachel Maddow interviews GQ author, Robert Draper, about Rumsfeld's biblical references in intelligence reports.

Read my second reply.

I did. Where's your retraction about calling it BS?

I have TS/SCI. There are things missing from that document that even Wikipedia could tell you. So either its not legitimate or it was poorly prepared.

In other words, if its NOT bs, whoever prepared it should have his clearance revoked, and whoever leaked it (I doubt something that recent is declassed already) should be in jail for treason.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

It does not look like a legitimate classified document. I'm calling BS on this.

The BS is all yours. Rachel Maddow interviews GQ author, Robert Draper, about Rumsfeld's biblical references in intelligence reports.

Read my second reply.

I did. Where's your retraction about calling it BS?

I have TS/SCI. There are things missing from that document that even Wikipedia could tell you. So either its not legitimate or it was poorly prepared.

In other words, if its NOT bs, whoever prepared it should have his clearance revoked, and whoever leaked it (I doubt something that recent is declassed already) should be in jail for treason.

Likewise, the people who revealed nixon's shenanigans should be jailed?

Don't let your morals get in the way of following your boss' orders...

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Deeko

It does not look like a legitimate classified document. I'm calling BS on this.

The BS is all yours. Rachel Maddow interviews GQ author, Robert Draper, about Rumsfeld's biblical references in intelligence reports.

Read my second reply.

I did. Where's your retraction about calling it BS?

I have TS/SCI. There are things missing from that document that even Wikipedia could tell you. So either its not legitimate or it was poorly prepared.

In other words, if its NOT bs, whoever prepared it should have his clearance revoked, and whoever leaked it (I doubt something that recent is declassed already) should be in jail for treason.

I'll make you a deal. You can try the leaker for treason if you try whoever came up with it and used for treason as well. Anyone intermingling religion and government should be tried for treason it if affects policy making.

Sounds like a good time to make my semi-annual call for revoking of the classification system. Only troop movements, operational codes/frequencies, and operative identities should be classifiable. Everything else should always be 100% public knowledge.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Likewise, the people who revealed nixon's shenanigans should be jailed?

Don't let your morals get in the way of following your boss' orders...

Regardless of your morals, it is both illegal and a breach of contract. There are avenues to take these things that do not involve violating your clearance. If you feel that violating your clearance is worth it for the greater good, hey, congrats on being a moral knight in shining armor, you still have to face the consequences of your illegal actions.

<- did not take his oath regarding handling of classified material lightly

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Sounds like a good time to make my semi-annual call for revoking of the classification system. Only troop movements, operational codes/frequencies, and operative identities should be classifiable. Everything else should always be 100% public knowledge.

And by doing that, you lose Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Nothrop, etc as engineering partners. There is no chance in hell the government enters into those defense contracts without security clearances - so I hope you like our military/defense technology being developed entirely by the military itself.

 

[CanOWorms]

I guess that they have no graphics artists/designers. Those look like they were pasted together in a few minutes in MS Paint.

 

[herkulease]

What kinda of brief was this? It looks like a power point presentation. What's was this briefing trying to tell dubya? Bible passages and pretty pictures?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Sounds like a good time to make my semi-annual call for revoking of the classification system. Only troop movements, operational codes/frequencies, and operative identities should be classifiable. Everything else should always be 100% public knowledge.

And by doing that, you lose Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Nothrop, etc as engineering partners. There is no chance in hell the government enters into those defense contracts without security clearances - so I hope you like our military/defense technology being developed entirely by the military itself.

Don't be obtuse. All commerce is demand driven. If something is needed, someone will provide it. Invention and industry aren't the children of classification, but of human creativity, need, and greed. Those things will continue regardless.

Besides, we already share our technology around, other nations have many of the same programs, reverse engineering isn't hindered through classification anyway, etc. The only people classification 'shuts out' is mr. and mrs. john q public, who don't care about the engineering anyway...they care about abuses, which is what classification is used to cover up.

Freedom and liberty, democracy itself, REQUIRES absolute total transparency of all public agencies. Furthermore, individual and ecological concerns require far greater private transparency than is currently demanded. Everyone is responsible for everything they do, and that responsibility requires awareness. Everything should be open to scrutiny. Everything.

 

[Deeko]

Lockheed did 42 billion in business last year, the vast majority of that classified with the US government. I guess the government can just absorb that and do it all internally. Seems like the trend lately anyway! Who needs competition between various manufacturers? And I'm sure those hundreds of thousands of citizens working for those companies would have no problem being a part of the military instead.

You are frighteningly ignorant if you think there is no need for the government/DoD to classify its technology development.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Lockheed did 42 billion in business last year, the vast majority of that classified with the US government. I guess the government can just absorb that and do it all internally. Seems like the trend lately anyway! Who needs competition between various manufacturers? And I'm sure those hundreds of thousands of citizens working for those companies would have no problem being a part of the military instead.

You are frighteningly ignorant if you think there is no need for the government/DoD to classify its technology development.

I guarantee you there is absolutely no 'need'. It may be nice for some people (ie make them greater profits), might make certain things easier, however it is absolutely NOT a necessity. The mere fact that industry evolved without such obfuscation proves that.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Sounds like a good time to make my semi-annual call for revoking of the classification system. Only troop movements, operational codes/frequencies, and operative identities should be classifiable. Everything else should always be 100% public knowledge.

You are a fool. Keep making your semi-annual calls for revoking the classification system, no one will listen, instead you will only remind everyone how much of a fool you are.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Sounds like a good time to make my semi-annual call for revoking of the classification system. Only troop movements, operational codes/frequencies, and operative identities should be classifiable. Everything else should always be 100% public knowledge.

You are a fool. Keep making your semi-annual calls for revoking the classification system, no one will listen, instead you will only remind everyone how much of a fool you are.

You don't really talk to other people in real life.,, everybody knows this

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Sounds like a good time to make my semi-annual call for revoking of the classification system. Only troop movements, operational codes/frequencies, and operative identities should be classifiable. Everything else should always be 100% public knowledge.

You are a fool. Keep making your semi-annual calls for revoking the classification system, no one will listen, instead you will only remind everyone how much of a fool you are.

I call em as I see em. Being right is seldom equated with being popular.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

You don't really talk to other people in real life.,, everybody knows this

Everyone. It's "Everyone knows this". Get it right.

 

[Orignal Earl]

everyone... got it

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I call em as I see em. Being right is seldom equated with being popular.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. The classification system has the support of everyone but the fools. The closer you come to realizing this the closer you come to regaining your sanity.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I call em as I see em. Being right is seldom equated with being popular.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. The classification system has the support of everyone but the fools. The closer you come to realizing this the closer you come to regaining your sanity.

We disagree.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I call em as I see em. Being right is seldom equated with being popular.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. The classification system has the support of everyone but the fools. The closer you come to realizing this the closer you come to regaining your sanity.

We disagree.

I think there's a distinct possibility that the winged piglet is always speaking with sarcasm - always. To pay attention and attempt to decipher the true intentions (if any exist) are wasting moments of your life.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
anyone see a problem with this? No wonder the middle east hates us.

link

Mr Rumsfeld had a good idea of who his audience was and how to push his buttons.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: brandonb
They will get passed off as true and Christians will be the bad guys for the next week until they can find another "priest molestation" case

Your prediction arrived quicker than imagined.