Rumour: Trinity 50% Faster than Llano

[piesquared]

I am hopeful that the level of discourse in this thread, and the rest of the CPU subforum, can remain significantly above this level of inflammatory hubris...(that goes for the "zoner" pot-shots as well)

Yeah, I suspect it won't be long until this campaign starts on Anandtech as well:

Intel declares open war on mobo makers

 

[cebalrai]

I'm still trying to figure out what 95% of PC users need all this processing power for...

 

[georgec84]

No way nVidia joins with Intel. nVidia is a strong player in the mobile market with Tegra, Kal-El, etc., and if that's where the market is heading then nVidia doesn't really need Intel.

 

[formulav8]

Yeah, I suspect it won't be long until this campaign starts on Anandtech as well:

Intel declares open war on mobo makers

You mean Intel putting 'Sponsored Ads' on TH? I do have to admit thats pretty wacky for Intel to try and make it look like an actual hardware article. All it is, is a PR avertisement of Intel telling people how great Intel is. :\

 

[OCGuy]

I thought AMD knew better than to release these "50% faster" estimates. Why is it always a nice round number like "50%"?

 

[Troll Trolling]

So 50% more meh?

For you, yes. Your argument?

 

[formulav8]

Maybe in their internal testing the igp really is 50% faster than Llano in some benchmark. They do have working silicon of the next gen apu.

 

[Phynaz]

No way nVidia joins with Intel. nVidia is a strong player in the mobile market with Tegra, Kal-El, etc., and if that's where the market is heading then nVidia doesn't really need Intel.

Current Nvidia market cap: $9.7B
Current Intel cash on hand: $11.9B
Current Intel maket cap: $113.5B

If Intel wanted Nvidia they could have them.

 

[Mopetar]

I thought AMD knew better than to release these "50% faster" estimates. Why is it always a nice round number like "50%"?

People like nice round numbers. Even after rigorous testing you determined that it's 47.89% faster than something else, people are just going to say it's about 50%.

Also it's most likely a general approximation. If it's 82% faster at one task, 23% faster at another, 31% faster at a third, and 64% faster at a final task, it's easier to say it's about 50% faster.

 

[piesquared]

You mean Intel putting 'Sponsored Ads' on TH? I do have to admit thats pretty wacky for Intel to try and make it look like an actual hardware article. All it is, is a PR avertisement of Intel telling people how great Intel is. :\

Looks more like scare tactics with hints of retribution for providing AMD based motherboards in such abundance.

 

[formulav8]

If Intel wanted Nvidia they could have them.

Even Intel can't have "Everything" they want. Jen will NOT step down, he has shown that already. Nvidia is steep in ARM based R&D. Plus the FTC would probably have a cow. At least they should have one if that trys to happen.

 

[Skurge]

Guys, when i said 50% means almost nothing. I meant the claim of 50% tells us nothing about the new apu. It could be bulldozer with the current gpu or a 1module bulldozer with a 4770 class gpu.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

What's Bulldozer?

 

[Idontcare]

Yeah, I suspect it won't be long until this campaign starts on Anandtech as well:

Intel declares open war on mobo makers

I don't follow.

I mean yeah, I see THG doing stupid stuff that crosses the lines, and I see an S/A article on it...but what does this have to do with ATF or the post you quoted?

(FWIW, totally off-topic here, but I do remember when AT did some dumbass Intel marketing thing akin to what THG is doing now...my eyes rolled and rolled and rolled over that one too, hopefully the power's that be have put that behind them now and we won't see a dejavu)

 

[GaiaHunter]

Guys, when i said 50% means almost nothing. I meant the claim of 50% tells us nothing about the new apu. It could be bulldozer with the current gpu or a 1module bulldozer with a 4770 class gpu.

From the live blog http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/AMD-Fusion-Developer-Summit-2011-Live-Blog

7:55 Trinity has a "6850" kind of thing....interesting....

 

[Nemesis 1]

MS is working with AMD on a new compiler supporting C++ AMP.

This is interesting .

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Guys, when i said 50% means almost nothing. I meant the claim of 50% tells us nothing about the new apu. It could be bulldozer with the current gpu or a 1module bulldozer with a 4770 class gpu.

this

a 50% more powerful GPU only wouldn't be as effective without the CPU power to drive it, and a 50% more powerful CPU only would be disappointing when the current GPU is only barely fast enough to be acceptable for modern games on low settings / resolution

it also could be something not immediately thought of such as if it supports DDR4 and DDR4 offering not only higher bandwidth per module but with its point-to-point advantage where each stick is its own channel (ie 4 slots = 4 channels) which would mean an APU on DDR4 is going to be held back by memory bandwidth far less than those currently now. Reviews today make it perfectly obvious how less powerful GPUs with much higher memory bandwidth can match or even trounce Llano's GPU.

in fact given all that, only 50% faster might be pretty disappointing

 

[Tuna-Fish]

DDR4 won't be ready for mass market for trinity. Trinity+1 perhaps, or if AMD keeps up the tight schedule, trinity+2.

 

[Phynaz]

Even Intel can't have "Everything" they want. Jen will NOT step down, he has shown that already. Nvidia is steep in ARM based R&D. Plus the FTC would probably have a cow. At least they should have one if that trys to happen.

Jen doesn't have to step down, he can be removed from his position by the BoD.

I'm really not to sure the FTC would block the acquisition. Intel has a very good argument that the AMD acquisition of ATI was allowed. They could also argue the Nvidia acquisition is needed for Intel to survive in the coming era of GPU computing.

The FTC has to make a case that the acquisition would be harmful to consumers. If the ATI acquisition wasn't, why would an Nvidia acquisition be?

 

[Riek]

Jen doesn't have to step down, he can be removed from his position by the BoD.

I'm really not to sure the FTC would block the acquisition. Intel has a very good argument that the AMD acquisition of ATI was allowed. Yhey could also argue the Nvidia acquisition is needed for Intel to survive in the coming era of GPU computing.

The FTC has to make a case that the acquisition would be harmful to consumers. If the ATI acquisition wasn't, why would an Nvidia acquisition be?

I hope you do see a small difference in company size, in market share and market influence.

intel is at the border of being split.. and they should be allowed to buy their only competitor in relation with motherboard chips, a competitor for their integrated grahpics and a competitor with Atom?

 

[SlowSpyder]

DDR4 won't be ready for mass market for trinity. Trinity+1 perhaps, or if AMD keeps up the tight schedule, trinity+2.

Is the market going DDR4? It seems like video cards dabbled in it, but DDR5 was where the real improvements were. I could see a Llano type device (Llano or next gen APU) really benefiting from DDR5.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Even Intel can't have "Everything" they want. Jen will NOT step down, he has shown that already. Nvidia is steep in ARM based R&D. Plus the FTC would probably have a cow. At least they should have one if that trys to happen.

I don't think it has to matter what JHH wants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch#Acquisition_by_InBev

 

[GaiaHunter]

Is the market going DDR4? It seems like video cards dabbled in it, but DDR5 was where the real improvements were. I could see a Llano type device (Llano or next gen APU) really benefiting from DDR5.

I don't think DDR4 and GDDR4 are similar.

 

[formulav8]

The FTC has to make a case that the acquisition would be harmful to consumers. If the ATI acquisition wasn't, why would an Nvidia acquisition be?

Intel has already abused its cpu position hurting their competition and the customer. They should Not have another position with such a strong market share like nvidia has.

AMD/ATI was allowed because there was No threat to anyone. The company is still so small compared to Intel. Intel would truly be a beast if they were allowed to buy nvidia.

 

[Phynaz]

Intel has already abused its cpu position hurting their competition and the customer. They should Not have another position with such a strong market share like nvidia has.

AMD/ATI was allowed because there was No threat to anyone. The company is still so small compared to Intel. Intel would truly be a beast if they were allowed to buy nvidia.

Your first point has never been proven in a court.

That said, you ignored my second point. The market is moving to GPGPU - an area where Intel has no presence. How could a government agency tell (in the US at least) tell Intel they are not allowed to make a technology acquisition that could possibly mean their their existence in the next decade?