Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

[videoclone]

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

 

[tijag]

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

The fastest reasonably priced CPU isn't fast enough?

:eyeroll:

 

[OCGuy]

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

If that CPU (especially OC'd) isn't fast enough for you, that isn't what is lacking in your system.

 

[Elixer]

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

Erm,

Something we found a little unexpected was the Core i7 920 scaling results, which showed no difference in performance when going from 3.70GHz down to 2.22GHz. This suggests to us that there is in fact a 100fps limit in place that has been imposed by Supreme Commander 2. This means even when using a powerful graphics card such as the Radeon HD 5870, a Core i7 processor down-clocked to just 2.22GHz will be up to the task!

I don't think that total war uses all cores.
So in that case, break out the liquid nitrogen, and start o/c'ing.

BD will fill a void (or should fill a void) for AMD diehards, but, realistically, if you bought a 2600K, then I really doubt you will see a night and day difference in anything major. (Except maybe price)

 

[Kingkazma]

Erm,

I don't think that total war uses all cores.
So in that case, break out the liquid nitrogen, and start o/c'ing.

BD will fill a void (or should fill a void) for AMD diehards, but, realistically, if you bought a 2600K, then I really doubt you will see a night and day difference in anything major. (Except maybe price)

shogun uses ONE. no joke i was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAa



idc battlefield 3 will use everything yay!

 

[piesquared]

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

i agree, and from an architectural stand point alone, BD is very intriguing and interesting. the industry needs something new to advance and evolve. ARM is innovating and enchroacing from the mobile sector because there hasn't been anything new and exciting in the PC sector for years. it's the same old strategy of focusing on single threaded performance from intel, their PR and viral marketers. that model has to change, there isn't enough headroom left in single threaded performance other than minor increases generation after generation after generation. there's techonology out there just waiting to be exploited provided intel doesn't cripple and hamper that effort, like they've done so many times in the past, because they can't compete in that space. so to see so many 'enthusiasts' propagating intel's message that single threaded performance is what determines the success of a product, and dismissing heterogeneous computing and multi threaded throughput because of it is really sad.

 

[Nemesis 1]

^ None have said what your saying . Do we need 6 cores on a phone. Do we need 6 cores 12 threads on desktop? Now servers is another game . But on the desktop 12 or 16 threads is more than enough for now . As for who is saying what . It seems to me the APU doing work threw the shaders is alot about single thread speed. Besides don't you want to see AMD back up front leading the industry to the promised land . You should like the fact that AMD is out coring intel. AMD should clobber Intels 4 core 8 thread cpu with their 8 REAL cores. I don't care who is faster . As I will still buy Intel . I would kinda like to see AMD be faster . Just so I can see what AMD charges for the super duper BD.

 

[Accord99]

it's the same old strategy of focusing on single threaded performance from intel, their PR and viral marketers.

Increasing single-thread performance helps everything CPU intensive, using more cores is dependent on the application and usage.

that model has to change, there isn't enough headroom left in single threaded performance other than minor increases generation after generation after generation.

Maybe AMD thought that, but now Intel is reaching a point where one Hyperthreaded Sandy Bridge core has almost the same throughput as two AMD K10.5 cores at the same clock speed.

there's techonology out there just waiting to be exploited provided intel doesn't cripple and hamper that effort, like they've done so many times in the past, because they can't compete in that space.

Maybe the technology isn't so easy to exploit.

so to see so many 'enthusiasts' propagating intel's message that single threaded performance is what determines the success of a product, and dismissing heterogeneous computing and multi threaded throughput because of it is really sad.

What happens when you put several cores with high single-threaded performance together? You get a CPU that also has high multi-threaded throughput.

 

[Dadofamunky]

^ None have said what your saying . Do we need 6 cores on a phone. Do we need 6 cores 12 threads on desktop? Now servers is another game . But on the desktop 12 or 16 threads is more than enough for now . As for who is saying what . It seems to me the APU doing work threw the shaders is alot about single thread speed. Besides don't you want to see AMD back up front leading the industry to the promised land . You should like the fact that AMD is out coring intel. AMD should clobber Intels 4 core 8 thread cpu with their 8 REAL cores. I don't care who is faster . As I will still buy Intel . I would kinda like to see AMD be faster . Just so I can see what AMD charges for the super duper BD.

This. The desktop situation is better than it's ever been. I open Photoshop in 2-3 seconds on my system, which isn't even the fastest you can get (though it's right up there esp. for the kind of money I spent).

I'd like to see AMD make a comeback, but I doubt they're going to match Intel. There's a lot of uninformed BS on this thread about Intel's single-thread performance meaning little. Don't believe it. Right now, Intel absolutely crushes AMD. I do not think AMD can match even Intel's current generation, much less Ivy Bridge. Still, we can only hope till we see the actual results.

 

[AtenRa]

I believe AMD will price them right in line with their performance. AMD will not initiate a price war. Although Intel might just to take the wind out of their sails (and sales) - it has happened before.

You are right, AMD will price them according to their performance but,

Right now Intel's SB are the mainstream processors that span from the $100 segment and up to $300. So AMD must have competitive processors within this price range and i believe Llano is not the one (well maybe bellow the $150).

With BD AMD have an opportunity to release a Flagship processor again at a high price, above the $300 mark. So they will be able to compete against SB and have a higher priced higher performance CPUs to drive the PR machine and gain them market share in the mainstream segment.

All this only if BD delivers what it was made for.

 

[Dribble]

I am a bit cynical these days. Every time AMD is about to produce a new CPU there is a ton of hype, and from the phenom onwards every time it's not even come close to living up to that hype.

imo BD is a server cpu first and foremost. That means lots of threads but relatively low ipc. If it's blowing away 2600K's in games like videoclone seems to expect I'd be more then a little surprised.

 

[Meghan54]

3 more weeks Drew.

Really. It's been, what, well over a year since Bulldozer's been talked about seriously. What's another 3 weeks of waiting? If you need something fast today, an i7 2500K/2600K is the answer. Wiling to wait? Then BD may be competitive. Wait longer? SB-E is coming.....and then Ivy Bridge......and then......

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

If that CPU (especially OC'd) isn't fast enough for you, that isn't what is lacking in your system.

And that's the absolute truth, OCGuy. It certainly isn't his cpu holding him back. Guess he should upgrade his gpu to something more powerful than a 3870X2.

 

[formulav8]

Welp, i'm pretty sure AMD would have posted an announcement by now if BD was going to be delayed. So it looks like everything is coming together for the BD launch in a few weeks. Likewise with Llano as well...

 

[poohbear]

this cpu is becoming the Dukenukem Forever of cpus. intel is releasing roadmaps, new chipsets, and talking about their cpus they're releasing months from now and not even a peep from AMD about a cpu that's supposed to be released next month? doesnt bode well...

 

[ElFenix]

this cpu is becoming the Dukenukem Forever of cpus. intel is releasing roadmaps, new chipsets, and talking about their cpus they're releasing months from now and not even a peep from AMD about a cpu that's supposed to be released next month? doesnt bode well...

amd released road maps already, and intel's talk about IB has been about the process tech it'll be on. amd doesn't do process tech anymore, so obviously won't be talking much about that.

 

[DirkGently1]

I play games like Shogun Total war 2 and Supreme Commander 2 and i really need a faster gaming cpu.. my i7 2600 isnt cutting it .. cant look to intel for something better so AMD it is... i want this new cpu to be really fast!

Don't be ridiculous. Are you playing games in VGA?

 

[HW2050Plus]

If you look at the die you'll see a lot of area between components which might be reduced to optimize die size.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/430/044/html/1.jpg.html

I made a little research on that but the problem is they have the same issue with Deneb and did not remove that so I do not think they will change this with Bulldozer, though I already emphazied in earlier posts that AMD has to fix their uncore die consumption issue.

we have to wait to see the real die size, could be smaller than 300-280mm2.

I don't think there will be much deviation from the 280 mm² I estimated (using same die image others came to a 29x estimate).

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Don't be ridiculous. Are you playing games in VGA?

And that's the absolute truth, OCGuy. It certainly isn't his cpu holding him back. Guess he should upgrade his gpu to something more powerful than a 3870X2.

Supreme Commander and Shogun II are both notoriously cpu-hungry. There simply isn't a processor in the world that will run either perfectly in very complex situations.

Perhaps in 4 years?

 

[Dresdenboy]

I made a little research on that but the problem is they have the same issue with Deneb and did not remove that so I do not think they will change this with Bulldozer, though I already emphazied in earlier posts that AMD has to fix their uncore die consumption issue.

Avoiding the work of doing an in-depth analysis involving details of manufacturing (from mask costs over foundry-fabbing and their fixed/variable costs - now per die, to stepper throughput issues of certain die widths and lengths), of development issues and so on, I'll try to keep it short with my thoughts:
- How much additional costs are caused by the unused space and what's the effect on margins?
- Will those 8C dies be sold to lower ASP market segments?
- Is production capacity limited in regard of anticipated volumes?

 

[OCGuy]

Supreme Commander and Shogun II are both notoriously cpu-hungry. There simply isn't a processor in the world that will run either perfectly in very complex situations.

Perhaps in 4 years?

You really need to read a few posts up....because this was already debunked.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

You really need to read a few posts up....because this was already debunked.

No, it wasn't. Plenty of people just asserted that if it doesn't run well on the fastest cpu on the planet, the bottleneck isn't the cpu.

Which is just plain wrong. I tried supreme commander with an old 8800GTX (before the new gpu arrived) and a 2500K, and it still scaled pretty much linearly with overclocking when playing on large maps and with a lot of units. Some games just want more cpu power than exists.

 

[krumme]

If BD wins perf/mm2 for games vs SB at 1024*768, but looses on the serverside perf/mm2, it will be the worst news for years. Dont hope for something like that ! Did some of you buy your own pc when intel was the only cpu provider and AMD only made copies? Man we need some competition both for prices and for innovation, and AMD needs some real cash now. And its not going to come from you guys - sorry.

 

[OCGuy]

No, it wasn't. Plenty of people just asserted that if it doesn't run well on the fastest cpu on the planet, the bottleneck isn't the cpu.

Which is just plain wrong. I tried supreme commander with an old 8800GTX (before the new gpu arrived) and a 2500K, and it still scaled pretty much linearly with overclocking when playing on large maps and with a lot of units. Some games just want more cpu power than exists.

You still haven't read the post. Sorry, that is much more believeable to me than your anecdotal evidence.

Down clocking the CPU made no difference.

 

[nonameo]

If BD wins perf/mm2 for games vs SB at 1024*768, but looses on the serverside perf/mm2, it will be the worst news for years. Dont hope for something like that ! Did some of you buy your own pc when intel was the only cpu provider and AMD only made copies? Man we need some competition both for prices and for innovation, and AMD needs some real cash now. And its not going to come from you guys - sorry.

Exactly, as long as BD is a great server processor it will be a resounding success. Well, assuming AMD can market it well enough.

 

[itsmydamnation]

You still haven't read the post. Sorry, that is much more believeable to me than your anecdotal evidence.

Down clocking the CPU made no difference.

TES4 (oblivion) really scales with clock, once i had a crash and bios reset itself to default for "safety" I got a rude shock when my FPS was cut in half to around 7-10 fps

running 920 @ 3.8
6970 @1000/5800
12gb 1666 (cant remember CAS)

some games really do love the clock , one letter different and that could be an interesting statement