Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

[IntelUser2000]

Considering Intel is in it's 2nd 32nm gen, odds are they are getting better batches than AMD will be. Seeing the fantastic results SB is getting with the 3 categories above, im fairly skeptical SB will hit 5 GHz on air. Scaling depends on the arch, and so does temps, but im going to guess 5 GHz will be rather elusive for AMD.

It's really hard to predict how the part will clock by overclocking since it depends on how good your particular chip is too. When they decide on a stock clock, its also based on the guaranteed delivery of tens of millions of them.

I'm guessing:
-3.5GHz base clock
-3.9-4.0GHz all core TurboCore
-4.3GHz 1 core TurboCore

 

[3DVagabond]

had me lauffin. +1 karma points for that Castiel.

I vote they go with FX2600 too
(mostly because I dont like the FX2000,4000,8000,16,000? theme)

sounds like to much to have a 16,000 tag.

Wonder if they couldnt just do a FX-2k, FX-4k ect.
Think it sounds better, more memorable too that way.

then they could spell their cores as "Kore" 's.

Ah, Klingon Komputers.

 

[Rich3077]

Overclocking was mentioned a page or two ago... I would like to put my 2 cents on that.

I have an i7 rig and I am on my 3rd chip to find a decent overclocker, and even then I shelled out more money for a higher end CPU to put the odds in my favor. I know that's a little steep but the overclocking gods do not always smile upon us. So even in the hardcore enthusiast crowd overclocking does not always equal bang per buck.

I overclock to have bragging rights and a bigger e peen. (and FPS) I spend top dollar on high end motherboards, Ram.. power supplies... coolers. Pretty much everything needs to be the best.

This blows any sort of value out the window. Although most wont admit it I think a large percentage of overclockers are like me.

For arguments sake the overclocking capabilities should stay in overclocking threads because HP is not going to care about overclocking.. and that's what most people will buy.

 

[Kuzi]

It's really hard to predict how the part will clock by overclocking since it depends on how good your particular chip is too. When they decide on a stock clock, its also based on the guaranteed delivery of tens of millions of them.

I'm guessing:
-3.5GHz base clock
-3.9-4.0GHz all core TurboCore
-4.3GHz 1 core TurboCore

These clocks seem reasonable, although I believe BD's TurboCore will work on a per-Module basis. For example:

- 4 Module Turbo @3.6GHz
- 3 Module Turbo @3.8GHz
- 2 Module Turbo @4.0GHz
- 1 Module Turbo @4.2GHz

 

[JSt0rm]

I havent really been following this stuff but when do we expect to see these in the market?

I'm on a dual core now and would like to upgrade to 6 or 8 core just because.

 

[HW2050Plus]

I havent really been following this stuff but when do we expect to see these in the market?

I'm on a dual core now and would like to upgrade to 6 or 8 core just because.

In June 2011 you will be able to buy them. When exactly in June is a bit open atm (maybe 23rd).

 

[RobertPters77]

First April now June? Fuck!

My patience is running out. I need to buy a new PC asap! Day by Day, Night by Night, I'm leaning more and more towards sandy bridge. Because I know what it can do. If only AMD would stay my hand and release some definite performance numbers about Bulldozer I just might wait a bit more.

This wait is killing me!

 

[tijag]

First April now June? Fuck!

My patience is running out. I need to buy a new PC asap! Day by Day, Night by Night, I'm leaning more and more towards sandy bridge. Because I know what it can do. If only AMD would stay my hand and release some definite performance numbers about Bulldozer I just might wait a bit more.

This wait is killing me!

When did anyone say April? I've heard 1H 2011 for a long time, and it was just recently confirmed to be towards the end of June.

 

[grimpr]

Gigabyte updates motherboards with AM3+ 32nm BD ready lineup, SB850/SATA 3.0/USB 3.0.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=10&p=2&v=2

GA-880GA-UD3H (rev. 3.1)
GA-870A-USB3 (rev. 3.1)
GA-870-UD3P (rev. 3.1)
GA-870A-UD3 (rev. 3.1)
GA-890GPA-UD3H (rev. 3.1)
GA-890FXA-UD5 (rev. 3.1)

 

[RobertPters77]

When did anyone say April? I've heard 1H 2011 for a long time, and it was just recently confirmed to be towards the end of June.

It was hinted at Early Q2 up until last week.

 

[RobertPters77]

had me lauffin. +1 karma points for that Castiel.

I vote they go with FX2600 too
(mostly because I dont like the FX2000,4000,8000,16,000? theme)

sounds like to much to have a 16,000 tag.

Wonder if they couldnt just do a FX-2k, FX-4k ect.
Think it sounds better, more memorable too that way.

then they could spell their cores as "Kore" 's.

I'd prefer it if they went with a 3-number naming system.

I.E. 8XX, 6XX, 4XX.

 

[JFAMD]

It was hinted at Early Q2 up until last week.

People should not take rumors as fact. People also rumored that q1 was the time, even though we had said Q2.

 

[drizek]

I'd prefer it if they went with a 3-number naming system.

I.E. 8XX, 6XX, 4XX.

Too easy to confuse those with intel numbers. Also, AMD has always had 4 numbers.

They should just start matching up their model numbers to the equivalent intel chips like they did back in the Athlon XP days.

AMD Vision XP 2500K+

Apparently it overclocks to a 3200K+ on air...

 

[DrJohnFever]

FX-8130P, FX-8110, FX-6110, FX-4110 are what xbitlabs claims will be the names of the processors available at launch.

 

[bandgit]

FX-8130P, FX-8110, FX-6110, FX-4110 are what xbitlabs claims will be the names of the processors available at launch.

Are there any performance indicators of any kind yet?

 

[drizek]

So what does the P stand for? Black Edition?

The boxes make it seem like they are all black.

Also, wasn't the previous rumor that there would be 8 different chips, not 4?

 

[Idontcare]

So what does the P stand for? Black Edition?

The boxes make it seem like they are all black.

Also, wasn't the previous rumor that there would be 8 different chips, not 4?

P = Performance?

Not sure why they'd change it to be honest. People know what "Black Edition" means, so much so that Intel adopted it with their "K" moniker.

 

[videoclone]

like these specs here very nice.. > http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ulldozer_Chips_Incoming_Details_Revealed.html

 

[nwo]

I could see BD easily being 50% faster than Phenom IIs. Because if they fail to do so, then they will still be behind Intel's Sandy bridge unless games start using 8+ cores all of the sudden... which will all know is not likely to happen for at least another few years.

 

[Skurge]

People should not take rumors as fact. People also rumored that q1 was the time, even though we had said Q2.

Can you say anything about these AM3+ mobos appearing? Will BD work fine in them or will it perform worse or have features disables, or both?

 

[videoclone]

AMD Aims to Fight Core i7 “Sandy Bridge” with Bulldozer.
Advanced Micro Devices at present is not able to compete in terms of pure performance against Intel Corp.’s Core i7-series “Sandy Bridge” microprocessors, according to benchmark results, but with its next-generation Bulldozer-based chips the company fully aims to fight.

With its FX-series AMD Zambezi desktop processors the Sunnyvale, California-based company plans to fully compete against Intel Core i-family of high-performance central processing units. A document from AMD seen by X-bit labs claims that AMD FX-series central processing unit (CPUs) powered by the Bulldozer micro-architecture will be fully able to rival Core i7 2600-series chips. ( READ MORE AT LINK BELOW )
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ight_Core_i7_Sandy_Bridge_with_Bulldozer.html

 

[drizek]

So I was basically right about the prices. They are positioning them to compete with the 2x00Ks.

$130 for a quad core, $350 for a high end octalcore. <$230 for the hexcore, <$300 for at least one octalcore. That's my guess anyway.

 

[RobertPters77]

like these specs here very nice.. > http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ulldozer_Chips_Incoming_Details_Revealed.html

Now don't laugh at me. But my guess on clock speeds is.

3.3ghz for the X110 models. And 3.5ghz for the single 8130p model.

AMD Aims to Fight Core i7 &#8220;Sandy Bridge&#8221; with Bulldozer.
Advanced Micro Devices at present is not able to compete in terms of pure performance against Intel Corp.&#8217;s Core i7-series &#8220;Sandy Bridge&#8221; microprocessors, according to benchmark results, but with its next-generation Bulldozer-based chips the company fully aims to fight.

With its FX-series AMD Zambezi desktop processors the Sunnyvale, California-based company plans to fully compete against Intel Core i-family of high-performance central processing units. A document from AMD seen by X-bit labs claims that AMD FX-series central processing unit (CPUs) powered by the Bulldozer micro-architecture will be fully able to rival Core i7 2600-series chips. ( READ MORE AT LINK BELOW )
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ight_Core_i7_Sandy_Bridge_with_Bulldozer.html

Shit. So, Clock for Clock, Sandy Bridge > Bulldozer? Then, Ivy bridge and Sandy Bridge-EP will just demolish Bulldozer.

 

[drizek]

What does "up to" 8MB L3 mean?

Also, was the 4 core always supposed to have 8 megs of L3?

 

[podspi]

Shit. So, Clock for Clock, Sandy Bridge > Bulldozer? Then, Ivy bridge and Sandy Bridge-EP will just demolish Bulldozer.

AMD doesn't need BD to have higher IPC than SB. As long as BD can clock high enough to be "close" to SB's singlethreaded performance, and beats SB in multithreaded performance, it will be fine.


I do agree that SB-E will probably be faster than BD in all relevant metrics, but it will also probably be a lot more expensive. Also I have a feeling that for non AVX-256 BD is going to demolish 4 and 6-core SB.