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Castiel
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by the way; no Bulldozer at CeBit in Hannover!
The chipset is not working as it should.
hmm, how was that AMD slogan? ready,...
The chipset is not working as it should.
hmm, how was that AMD slogan? ready,...
Castiel
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Even the venerable Athlon had its Irongate. AMD knew it had to take big risks with Bulldozer, a few stumbles out of the gate are to be expected.
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Yeah, just looked on Engadget and was hoping to see some Bulldozer-related news from CeBit.
Zip. Nada. Zilch. Big FAIL on AMD's part, at least to me.
Guys, CeBIT goes until March 5th... No idea if they will demonstrate BD but at least give them some time, eh? Also, if the chipset is not working as it should, does that mean there are problems with the engineering samples out there or is this from AMD's mouth? Sources, please! 
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I hope this is false. This release needs to be essentially flawless if AMD would like to recapture some of the enthusiast crowd.
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That slogan was dumb... But I'd love a source for the chipset not working. BD is supposed to be compatible with 890 (though you still need the new socket). I can guarantee you the 890 chipset works fine
Didn't JF-AMD say that there wasn't going to be any big news at CeBit?
Would I have liked it more if there was some new information? Yes.
Was I surprised that there wasn't anything? No.
I feel like they missed an opportunity here. CeBit is a big event and it would have definitely attracted the attention of enthusiasts if AMD was able to show some competitive performance numbers against Sandy Bridge. Revised Sandy Bridge boards are being released now and will be on the market in reasonable numbers soon, so AMD could have used this as an opportunity to get the word out about how good their new architecture really was (and maybe make enthusiasts think twice before going for Sandy Bridge).
A LOT of information about Sandy Bridge was available as early as 4 months before release (At had an article out on 9/14/10)...including full model numbers and clock speeds. Here we are about 3 months out from BD's planned release and we've got almost nothing. Not a good sign to me.
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Elixer
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According to whom is the chipset "not working" ?
This is all FUD.
It was already said that board makers can use the 8xx chipset for BD, and AFAIK, the 9xx chipset doesn't add anything but USB 3, with possibly a few other things.
Or buying any current AMD parts. It's fine to go ahead and announce if you have nothing to lose like they did with Bobcat. They weren't in that space so no matter how far out the started releasing information it wasn't going to affect their sales.
If stellar Bulldozer numbers come out now and the shipping date isn't until late May or June, they're going to tank a lot of their current sales. Rumors suit them much better. Some people will think it's going to be amazing and absolutely demolish the competition and hold off buying an Intel part. Some people will think it's all hogwash and buy an AMD part if they need it right now.
Actually knowing on the other hand doesn't get them anything. At best any sales they would have seen until the release date turn into pre-orders. They get absolutely nothing by releasing performance data.
In all fairness, the chipset for Sandy Bridge wasn't 100% working either.
It's just that Intel can afford a mistake, I don't think AMD has the money or reputation to spare.
exar333
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In all fairness, the chipset for Sandy Bridge wasn't 100% working either.
Failure over time with SATA ports is not the same as not having a functional demo to show a tech expo. Not the same thing at all.
podspi
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Truth. One actually happened and one is just a rumor from Fudzilla D:
It doesn't even make sense. 890 is compatible with BD, and we've already seen the physical socket, hell we've already seen BD running.
I think AMD is being quiet about Bulldozer because they want to give Intel as little time as possible to react, similar to their secrecy over eyefinity. If release is really mid-June, that's three and a half months. As we've seen from the SB-chipset fiasco, (unless you believe the conspiracy theories that they knew, which I don't) Intel is very, very good at execution. If AMD shows BD destroying SB Intel could push forward 6 or 8 core SB, or move IB forward. AMD needs as much time as possible to reap whatever reward they can from Bobcat, Llano, and Bulldozer -- hence the secrecy.
the server chipset for bulldozer has been out for what a year now and it is bios upgrade and drop in. consumer side from what i have seen is that its the same chipset but power regulation is different and thus current boards aren't compatible?
seems unlikely to be a chipset issue.
seems FUD just wants some hits. he would have look at forums like this XS semi accurate etc and gone HUMMM how can i make some money.........
seems unlikely to be a chipset issue.
seems FUD just wants some hits. he would have look at forums like this XS semi accurate etc and gone HUMMM how can i make some money.........
Pretty sure that is not true.
And, FYI, I kept telling everyone not to get too excited about CeBIT.
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You keep telling us not to get to excited about the release date news. Reason?
"Well, the customers would stop buying current offering if the Bullldozer proved to good."
???
Excuse me?
The customers that want/need performance buy Intel (already).
AMD is living from low budget system builds; and those customers will expand their budgets because AMD is going to put out a performance 8 core chip?
No joke; auu! I mean! So if a person is thinking about AMD often enough money from heavens rains down on him/her? :whiste: :whiste: :whiste:
IntelUser2000
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If there's anything I learned about semiconductor chips and companies, its that either they are late, or they are really late.
I'm not criticizing them, it's how it is. It's that difficult to bring it to market, let alone bring it in time. 1-3 months delay is probably something normal here.
I'm not criticizing them, it's how it is. It's that difficult to bring it to market, let alone bring it in time. 1-3 months delay is probably something normal here.
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That slogan was dumb... But I'd love a source for the chipset not working. BD is supposed to be compatible with 890 (though you still need the new socket). I can guarantee you the 890 chipset works fine
One thing is working, another is presenting a power demo PC rig on a new platform; new Bulldozer+new chipset.
CeBit: One day AMD was saying that the new Bulldozer could run on current AM3 motherboards; the next day they already changed the story. The second version of the story (if we forget AMD saying that the new CPU will need a new socket since being such a huge leap) is the motherboards producers putting the new AM3+ socket onto the old 800 chipsets.
Christina Aguilera was taken into custody for considerably less stumbles while walking; actually she was only sitting in a car.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-01/...ristina-aguilera-jordan-bratman?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ
Well, one could expect it to be working after all the years on the market. mature tech; very mature. Like an apple that was forgotten on a tree.That slogan was dumb... But I'd love a source for the chipset not working. BD is supposed to be compatible with 890 (though you still need the new socket). I can guarantee you the 890 chipset works fine
I feel somewhat letdown by AMD's reluctance to share any info at all on BD. I'm a longterm AMD fan but they really need to work on their execution and marketing. The only exception to this is the former ATI who somehow is able to produce chip after chip on time and on budget that is able to perform very well and be manufactured for a decent cost. Can ATI please teach AMD how to make decently performing chips that are released on time and dont require massive transistor budgets to achieve comparatively lackluster performance?
I'm just getting a bit jaded I suppose, I'm a long time AMD fan but its been years and years since they made a CPU that competed well with Intel's products, in terms of the raw silicon. They just about have to sell them at a loss to sell anything. BD better blow the socks off everyone or else I fear we will return to a single x86 manufacturer.
I'm just getting a bit jaded I suppose, I'm a long time AMD fan but its been years and years since they made a CPU that competed well with Intel's products, in terms of the raw silicon. They just about have to sell them at a loss to sell anything. BD better blow the socks off everyone or else I fear we will return to a single x86 manufacturer.
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