Rumour: Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II.

[SickBeast]

not respond... you just did

In a roundabout way I suppose I did...how about that. :hmm:

 

[formulav8]

Welcome to AT. Seeing as you're new I'm going to teach you something about forum equiquette and I'm not going to respond to your drivel.

Well call it "feeding the trolls" here.

Thanks for filling the last couple of pages with useless junk. What your complaining about has basically nothing to do with this thread anyways.

 

[Edrick]

I'm actually friends with an architect who helped invent the lithography process that the CPU manufacturers use to this day to produce microprocessors. You should see his collection of Bentleys!

Yet you can't spare more than $90 on a CPU.

Thanks for messing up this thread.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The solution to e-waste, is to build a working PC with it, and donate it to someone without one. There are still some people out there without a computer.

Edit: Though I'm hard-pressed to figure out what to do with P3 systems.

 

[SickBeast]

The solution to e-waste, is to build a working PC with it, and donate it to someone without one. There are still some people out there without a computer.

Edit: Though I'm hard-pressed to figure out what to do with P3 systems.

Mint Linux 10 LXDE would be incredible on a P3. I'm sure it would be very useful to a school or something.

 

[Mopetar]

The solution to e-waste, is to build a working PC with it, and donate it to someone without one. There are still some people out there without a computer.

Doesn't this invariably just delay the problem? It's great that someone who wouldn't otherwise have a computer now has one, but eventually it's going to break down and unless they know how to repair it or salvage it for parts again we still end up with the e-waste.

Also, older machines are less power efficient than newer ones. This can have serious ramifications in areas of the world where power is scarce or more expensive. Eventually the cost of powering this older machine will exceed the cost of replacing it with something more efficient.

 

[wahdangun]

The solution to e-waste, is to build a working PC with it, and donate it to someone without one. There are still some people out there without a computer.

Edit: Though I'm hard-pressed to figure out what to do with P3 systems.

yep like i said just donate it, i'm sure someone will find to use that p3, especially in third world country like in here in indonesia, and several school still lack computer so sometimes i encourage my friend to donate their pc to school or poor people, its that simple and if everyone do it, the e-waste will go down.

So please back on topic people.

Btw we will see if it the change to am3+ socket was worth it, and i hope anand will review bulldozer with am3 chipset and see what the difference and performance impact if we not use native chipset

 

[Idontcare]

I would actually be highly interested in your opinion in all this IDC.

My opinion is that every little bit helps, no matter how small in the big picture.

As such, the debate to have in regards to environmentally considerate engineering, as well as environmentally mindful consumerism, is one that should be made from a position of data, understanding, and accounting.

Take your particular example...the tradeoff between the environmental footprint of discarding an obsolete motherboard versus the the environmental footprint of making every cpu larger and thus more resource intensive to manufacture.

I'm all for the right thing to be done in the interest of the environment, but if you don't have the necessary data or an adequate understanding of the supply chain itself then you aren't likely to be making the right decisions in terms of tradeoffs.

I can appreciate the desire and motivation on your part to precipitate change and awareness.

However, unfortunately you appear to want to be the one who prescribes the exact change that is to transpire, in some detail, while admitting that you are operating at a complete deficit in terms of experience, education, and data regarding the environmental tradeoffs that would be effected to implement your preferred solution.

This is where you undermine your own message and do a disservice to the plight of the very environmental movement you ascribe.

Espouse responsible engineering, espouse responsible consumerism, but don't fancy yourself to be in a position of actually knowing the best solution when you already know for fact that you don't have all the facts necessary to do so nor the experience and education necessary to make use of those facts for such an endeavor.

(in other words "leave it to the experts", and then try and have a little faith that maybe, just maybe, they already concluded that the best option was to make a smaller - less resource consuming to manufacture - CPU in exchange for requiring a moderate number of new motherboards to be manufactured)

 

[Joseph F]

There shouldn't be that many names involved. And working for the car maker group Bentley Motors belongs to, I have to admit that those cars are not the greenest ones we offer.

But to your points:
Is a replaced board + CPU actually environmentally relevant waste? I only know cases, where someone else or the owner himself uses it further for less demanding tasks.

Actually replacing hardware with new hardware, which could deliver more performance/watt should also have some positive effect.

But finally not buying anything new and further using old hw would avoid producing any waste while being less efficient - the machine would have to run much longer for a specific task compared to a new one.

So the best would be to avoid technology at all - including Bentleys.

Wow, 27 Posts in 8 YEARS... You surely are talkative. xD
BTW judging from your name I'm assuming that you work at the Dresden Foundry?

 

[fustercluck]

Thanks for the cliffnotes mr Sick Beast. Would be nice if OP used em

 

[wahdangun]

My opinion is that every little bit helps, no matter how small in the big picture.

As such, the debate to have in regards to environmentally considerate engineering, as well as environmentally mindful consumerism, is one that should be made from a position of data, understanding, and accounting.

Take your particular example...the tradeoff between the environmental footprint of discarding an obsolete motherboard versus the the environmental footprint of making every cpu larger and thus more resource intensive to manufacture.

I'm all for the right thing to be done in the interest of the environment, but if you don't have the necessary data or an adequate understanding of the supply chain itself then you aren't likely to be making the right decisions in terms of tradeoffs.

I can appreciate the desire and motivation on your part to precipitate change and awareness.

However, unfortunately you appear to want to be the one who prescribes the exact change that is to transpire, in some detail, while admitting that you are operating at a complete deficit in terms of experience, education, and data regarding the environmental tradeoffs that would be effected to implement your preferred solution.

This is where you undermine your own message and do a disservice to the plight of the very environmental movement you ascribe.

Espouse responsible engineering, espouse responsible consumerism, but don't fancy yourself to be in a position of actually knowing the best solution when you already know for fact that you don't have all the facts necessary to do so nor the experience and education necessary to make use of those facts for such an endeavor.

(in other words "leave it to the experts", and then try and have a little faith that maybe, just maybe, they already concluded that the best option was to make a smaller - less resource consuming to manufacture - CPU in exchange for requiring a moderate number of new motherboards to be manufactured)

very true indeed, and I'm not suprised that you become anandtech moderator.

 

[SickBeast]

Thanks for the cliffnotes mr Sick Beast. Would be nice if OP used em

You're welcome, and the OP is welcome to use them if they want. ()

 

[ShadowVVL]

I still have a p3 but only has 128 megs of ram so havnt forund a good os for it.
dont think mint will run since it requires 256megs

 

[Dresdenboy]

Wow, 27 Posts in 8 YEARS... You surely are talkative. xD
BTW judging from your name I'm assuming that you work at the Dresden Foundry?

No, I'm not working there, the pseudonym is even a bit older than 8 years and I have chosen it because of living in only ~60 mi distance to Dresden (now ~125 mi).

 

[Cerb]

I still have a p3 but only has 128 megs of ram so havnt forund a good os for it.
dont think mint will run since it requires 256megs

And you can get a whole computer, with OS, for the cost of giving it enough RAM to become useful again. Somebody could give you RAM, but they've probably already done that over and over and over by now, and don't have enough sticks of larger capacity, anymore, to upgrade it (I don't think I even have a 128MB stick, anymore).

 

[videoclone]

No, I'm not working there, the pseudonym is even a bit older than 8 years and I have chosen it because of living in only ~60 mi distance to Dresden (now ~125 mi).

You used icq and joined Anandtech 1 month after me haha WIN..
BUTE DUDE!!! WTF 29 posts in 8 years haahahaha thats awesome you should win something!

 

[videoclone]

Benchmarks
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_bulldozer_linux&num=1
http://openbenchmarking.org/s/AMD%20Eng Sample ZS182045TGG43_2

 

[podspi]

The silence is deafening...D:

It does look to me like there is something wrong (look at the Stream benchmarks). I don't think (hope) this will be indicative of BD performance.


That being said this really wasn't the leak I wanted to see, anyway...

 

[videoclone]

Yeah not many of us are buying 32 core CPU's running at 1.8Ghz
Would be very slow for single threaded apps

 

[HW2050Plus]

I really wonder why this Phoronix benchmark produces such a shitload of output nobody is never ever able to read?

What is that:
"pbzip2_bulldozerdeimos246810SE +/- 0.196.27SE +/- 0.144.21"

"2600k2600k stock246810SE +/- 0.096.18SE +/- 0.168.72"

That's just crypic series of characters, what a stupid program!

Even worse:
"bulldozer_stream_test13000600090001200015000SE +/- 33.5212700.11"

I really like this number: "33.5212700.11" Two decimal points in one number.

Well this benchmark is simply shit.

For C-Ray they told something like 25 seconds:
"OpenBenchmarking.orgcray_bulldozerC-RayStandard ErrorStandard Deviationcray_bulldozer_test125.970.020.12%"

Again "awesome" number: "125.970.020.12%" Now featuring three decimal points in one number! Or is it just the IP address where you get the decrypted results?

Or is it only the website that makes this shit?

Anyway that is not readable and not understandable!
Anybody else who has problems understanding this crypto-stuff?
Or anybody who can read that? Is there a decryption rule available?

 

[JFAMD]

If the benchmark is real (and I am not sure that it is), then it is probably not very representative of actual performance. The fact that the stream score is so low is a big red flag for me.

 

[IntelUser2000]

*rant omitted*

Anyway that is not readable and not understandable!
Anybody else who has problems understanding this crypto-stuff?
Or anybody who can read that? Is there a decryption rule available?

I think you are running it on Internet Explorer. Try it on Firefox. The same thing happens when I run it on IE, but not on FF.

 

[HW2050Plus]

I think you are running it on Internet Explorer. Try it on Firefox. The same thing happens when I run it on IE, but not on FF.

Thank you for the tip. It does the trick. Unreadable stuff transforms to clear results. Thank you.

 

[HW2050Plus]

There are several new benchmarks emerged for the upcoming AMD Bulldozer which show quite awesome results:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/160/160285.htm

For example at SYSMARK 2007 the Zambezi is 154% faster than a Phenom II X4 965. And that already with a clock of 3.2 GHz.

It also tells about an additional trace cache and 4 KB of Level-0 cache as well as that the Turbo will push up to 1.6 GHz to the base frequency.

 

[jones377]

Happy April Fools Day! ^_^