Rumors? or True? Do you know...?

aalizard

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Alrighty, I'm going to build my new computer pretty soon but I have one difficulty. The big question, go AMD or Intel.... I have heard on the net and other places that the AMD CPU's are unstable and that if your just listening to winamp or something the computer will freeze or even crash on you because of these CPU's. On the other hand I've heard that Intel chips are rock solid stable and that you could leave your PC on for a year without the computer crashing. So what's true and what's not? Any of you have Athlon XP's? I will NEVER overclock my system, but I sure don't want it to reboot on me every 5 seconds?!!! I will be using my sys for games, music, dvd's, and internet surfing. So PLZ HELP!

Thanx

 

Maggotry

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That's so rediculous I don't even know where to start. There are MANY factors that go into determining the stability of a system. I need a few minutes to gather my thoughts...
 

aalizard

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plz gather them and then tell me the TRUTH! If it is bullshit then it is bullshit, I just need to know. My bro is an electrical engineer and he also tells me that AMD CPU's have stability prob's! A freakin electrical engineer telling me this! Who should I just trust? If these CPU's are rock solid stable then I would jump on one right now, but because of what I'm hearing I'm backing away.... So plz tell me if these "rumors" are true...
 

dEvio

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plz gather them and then tell me the TRUTH! If it is bullshit then it is bullshit, I just need to know. My bro is an electrical engineer and he also tells me that AMD CPU's have stability prob's! A freakin electrical engineer telling me this! Who should I just trust? If these CPU's are rock solid stable then I would jump on one right now, but because of what I'm hearing I'm backing away.... So plz tell me if these "rumors" are true...
It's bullshit....trust me!
Go jump on one right now!
 

Jgtdragon

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Cpu is cpu. Amd, Intel, and even cyprix chips are about the same with stability. Stablility issues have more to do with motherboard chipset. People saying Intel is more stable because Intel chips usually are paired up with Intel's own chipset, very stable. Lots of AMD chip uses Via chipset, not as stable, but still pretty stable. I should know since I have both Amd w/ via and Intel chip w/ Intel chipset.

Amd chip with Intel's chipset will be very stable, but Intel don't want that to happen right? ;)
 

aalizard

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so ppl here who have xp's don't have stability prob's? BE HONEST...

PS: Do you think my AMD cpu will last 5 years?
 

Yossarian

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Do you really think a company would be able to stay in business if their cpu's caused computers to crash every 5 seconds?
 

Hendrik

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AMD CPUs are every bit as stable as Intel CPUs, and (at stock speed) perform generally much better than Intel CPUs available at the same price. Everyone who claims the opposite is either ignorant or malicious.

Having said that, the stability of a PC is not only a function of CPU stability; a very important role is also played by the motherboard and, in particular, the chipset. Intel has been producing very good, very stable chipsets for a long time. This has contributed greatly to the good reputation for stability that Intel has been enjoying.

By contrast, most AMD systems have for some time been based on VIA chipsets. These aren't as good as Intel chipsets; some of these were really quite bad, like the VIA 266 chipset. 266A and 333 are much better, though probably still not as stable as Intel chipsets.

The bad reputation for stability that AMD has suffered from is mostly due to unsatisfactory chipsets made by VIA. The chipsets that VIA makes today (266A and 333) are actually not bad; apart from this, there have been and are alternatives, for instance chipsets made by SiS (735 and 745) and nVidia (nForce). These are extremely good, every bit as good as Intel chipsets, and less expensive.

If stability is a mjor concern for you, by all means go for an AMD CPU, but you might want to avoid VIA chipsets, in favor of SiS 735/745 or nForce. This gives you a reasonably broad choice of good, inexpensive motherboards, for example Asus A7S333, MSI SiS 745 Ultra, or Abit NV7-133R or MSI K7N415 PRO.

In my experience and the experience of many others, an AMD based system with any one of these motherboards (or for that matter one with a VIA 266A or 333 based motherboard) will more likely than not be rock solid, will perform very impressively, at an astonishingly low price. Go for it.
 

Workin'

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A freakin electrical engineer telling me this!
Well, I've been an engineer for over a decade and I've met some pretty frickin' stupid engineers in that time. Sad to say, looks like your bro is one of them. Obviously completely clueless.

I've personally built dozens and dozens of machines using AMD CPU's - starting way back with the AMD 40MHz 386 and on through today. Never had a problem.

However let your budget and needs determine which brand to go with. Both are quality parts.
 

Mem

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so ppl here who have xp's don't have stability prob's? BE HONEST...


No problems at all with my XP 1700+ :),remember stability with any system depends on the hardware used and no user error with setup,so good ram,PSU,board etc will help with stability,I only use quality parts when building my PCs,I also play lots of games so am a hardcore gamer and have yet to have any problems with my AMD rigs,I should point out I was using Intel before I went over to AMD and to be honest I`ve no problems going with either.
 

MistaTastyCakes

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The people who say that AMD processors are totally unstable, crash all the time, etc, and either really misinformed or just don't know how to *correctly* build a PC. AMD and Intel both make fine CPUs, and both are quite stable. I'm using an AMD Athlon 1.4ghz and a KT266A motherboard and aside from me buying some bad RAM a while ago, it's been pretty much impossible for me to crash my system. Your brother has no idea what he's talking about, EE or not, sorry.

I use my system for the exact same uses (games, music, dvd's, internet) and I have no problems with stability whatsoever. The people who whine and moan about AMD not being "compatible" with things and the people who call it unstable have more problems with what's sitting in front of the monitor, than what's inside of the PC.
 

randomlinh

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your bro is reading too much pcworld :p That argument of saying he's EE and says it's unstable is like saying "i had a CS major look at my computer, so it works fine it's you that's wrong" (i work as the resident network help desk@school). 85% of the time they just needed to set their NIC's to default.. not run AOL dial up.. and run the internet connection wizard... 10% of the time they have the cable plugged into the phone jack... and that last 5 they are usually right or close to it. but it's rare.
 

nortexoid

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i never need to reboot due to stability issues...and i'm using the first ever Athlon chipset - the 750 w/ a via southbridge...
been using this computer for 3 years, runs like a champ.

just make sure u invest in good quality compoennts (mainly memory and PSU)
 

angusrice

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I have a Athlon XP 1600+ on VIA's KT266a chipset, and my system is rock-stable --- even when it was at 55-60 degrees Celcius (That temp was with retail fan and bad case cooling, now my temps are much more comfortable).
 

Rainsford

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I'll just add my $0.02 in here. AMD CPU based computers (in my experience) are stable. Even with VIA chipsets. I've owned a KT133 based motherboard (supposedly unstable) and I had no problems. I now own a KT133A mobo and I have never had any problems with it at all. I've overclocked the hell out of it, I've stress tested it, I run SETI 24/7 and I hardly ever have to reboot (and all of those times it's something Windows did).

Just because someone has a degree that has to do with electronics (or even computers for that matter), doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. There are many people on this board that probably don't have the letters behind their names, but they still know a hell of a lot more than some "certified" people. You wouldn't believe the number of MCSEs that I run into that couldn't troubleshoot their way out of a paper bag. In any case, be wary of anyone that tried to tell you something is as black and white as that. With computers it is almost never that clear cut.
 

pillage2001

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Originally posted by: aalizard
plz gather them and then tell me the TRUTH! If it is bullshit then it is bullshit, I just need to know. My bro is an electrical engineer and he also tells me that AMD CPU's have stability prob's! A freakin electrical engineer telling me this! Who should I just trust? If these CPU's are rock solid stable then I would jump on one right now, but because of what I'm hearing I'm backing away.... So plz tell me if these "rumors" are true...

What has electrical engineer has to do with AMD's stability?? I suppose he's a big Intel fan huh??

Take a look at it this way, if AMD CPUs are givinf STABILITY PROBLEMS, do you think that their company would still be up till this day?? The only reason why some pc reboots everytime is due to the component in between the chair and keyboard. Even Intel machines can do that if not set up correctly.

 

Siddhartha

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"so ppl here who have xp's don't have stability prob's? BE HONEST..."

Why would I lie?

My AMD system is very stable. I recommend AMD without any reservations.

If you want Intel get Intel. It does not make that a big of a difference.
 

bigshooter

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Does your brother specialize in cpu design? I've never had any issues caused by a cpu that I didn't cause myself (too high of an overclock). Your cpu will probably run for 5 years. Whether you'll be able to run all the software thats out 5 years from now is another issue. Look at the cpu speeds we had back in 1997. I think this time of year pentium 2's had just debuted at 233,266, and 300 speeds. This is with 66mhz sdram and a lot slower graphics cards and other peripherals. I know that some people are still using these computers today, but if you want to run the latest and greatest software, winxp, officexp, doom 3 (can't wait for this) you'll be out of luck.
 

microAmp

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Originally posted by: MistaTastyCakes
The people who say that AMD processors are totally unstable, crash all the time, etc, and either really misinformed or just don't know how to *correctly* build a PC.....

I believe that is the key to it all, how to *correctly* do it all. My 2nd computer that I built K7 750 Mhz w/ Epox 7KXA mobo. was really, really unstable, but after getting link from the newsgroup on how to setup the BIOS it became a very stable computer, except a game freezing due to a sound card, MX400 or was it 300.... but after a bit of research it turned out to be the drivers that stunk. Downloaded the new drivers and it was all good.

It seems to me from all the VIA chipset boards to get max. performace you'll have to do some BIOS tweaking. I've only had one Intel CPU/chipset (my 1st home-made computer, Celeron 450 w/AOpen AX6BC) and it worked, right out of the box, stable, w/o any BIOS tweaking, I may not have gotten max performace. It may have all changed from then til now, people will Intel chipsets may give you a better light into that.

Oh and my TBird 1.2 GHz is extremely stable, no problems, playing MP3's and games.... at the same time.