[Rumored] Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’ [kotaku]

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therealnickdanger

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This is a die shrink + HDMI2.0 interface for 4k movies/video streaming. Why anyone would think that there is a graphical upgrade at this point is beyond me.
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A graphical hardware update? No, likely not. However, it's very likely that if the capability of 4K output is there, devs will use it. We won't be seeing Far Cry Primal at 4K, but you can bet that there will be plenty of arcade games and lite-games that can be rendered at 4K without breaking a sweat. The Xbox 360 didn't support 1080p at first, but an update released at the time of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray format war enabled it, along with a hardware revision that included HDMI output. After that, there were many, many graphically UN-demanding titles that came out supporting 1080p.

The real question is, will Sony enable UHD Blu-ray playback? All it requires is a ROM4 BDXL drive (not much more expensive than regular BD-ROM drives) and the right AACS decoder. If so, then this will be an excellent upgrade.
 
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therealnickdanger said:
The real question is, will Sony enable UHD Blu-ray playback? All it requires is a ROM4 BDXL drive (not much more expensive than regular BD-ROM drives) and the right AACS decoder. If so, then this will be an excellent upgrade.
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If there really will b e a PS4.5 this is what it will be. HDMI 2.0 + 4k BluRay with all the fixins, and a decoder chip to do the 4k bluray. Maybe the breakout box for PSVR integrated. Also probably die shrunk. Small chance the decoder block in the APU is swapped out for a new 4k BluRay compatible one instead of it being an add on chip
 
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If there really will b e a PS4.5 this is what it will be. HDMI 2.0 + 4k BluRay with all the fixins, and a decoder chip to do the 4k bluray. Maybe the breakout box for PSVR integrated. Also probably die shrunk. Small chance the decoder block in the APU is swapped out for a new 4k BluRay compatible one instead of it being an add on chip
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Or maybe this is where all the desktop Carrizo dies are going? /totalspeculationwithnofacts
 
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Why don't the next gen consoles just use some sort of energy efficent Intel 8 core cpu, (Cannonlake SOC @ 20 watts) and a 14/16nm mid range gpu @ 75 watts?

The latest games don't seem to need much cpu power.

With a upgradable gpu so the console last longer.

I think next gen consoles will be more like a straight up gaming PC/steambox and upgradable. Mabe more like a laptop with no monitor.

ANd please for the love of God , mouse and keyboard support.
 
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This is probably the last gen of physical consoles.

The next gen console will probably just be a streaming box with the cpu & gpu in the cloud. Cloud servers can be upgraded, so every year they could give game makers a higher powered cpu/gpu target in line with pc upgrades and those games would just run on newer cloud servers. Want a VR update - you sell the glasses and the "VR package" and it just runs the games on VR capable servers, no need to wait for the next gen of consoles. It's also almost impossible to pirate, and much more efficient - no need to develop and sell lots of big complex consoles, all the high end hardware is in the cloud and economies of scale means you can maximise server usage.

Sure they wouldn't be able to sell to anyone without a decent internet connection, but that will be most people pretty soon. Those without can just continue to use a PS4 - they are most likely to be the ones pirating all the games anyway (e.g. China) so the loss of money wouldn't be that great.
 
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Dribble said:
This is probably the last gen of physical consoles.

The next gen console will probably just be a streaming box with the cpu & gpu in the cloud. Cloud servers can be upgraded, so every year they could give game makers a higher powered cpu/gpu target in line with pc upgrades and those games would just run on newer cloud servers. Want a VR update - you sell the glasses and the "VR package" and it just runs the games on VR capable servers, no need to wait for the next gen of consoles. It's also almost impossible to pirate, and much more efficient - no need to develop and sell lots of big complex consoles, all the high end hardware is in the cloud and economies of scale means you can maximise server usage.

Sure they wouldn't be able to sell to anyone without a decent internet connection, but that will be most people pretty soon. Those without can just continue to use a PS4 - they are most likely to be the ones pirating all the games anyway (e.g. China) so the loss of money wouldn't be that great.
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Internet latency alone, even on a beastly pipe, would make VR unusable. The physics of it just don't match. If it weren't for VR coming into its own I could see a more cloud based console gaining some market space if not all of it. I'd bet money the next gen of consoles is not cloud based ala stream images processed on server hardware. Cloud assisted probably, a deeper level of what MS tried to do with the Xbone. I can see backwards compatibility being provided via streaming service (e.g. Sign up for a PS2 subscription service, $15 a month and play all the PS2 games in our library! or an extension of Nintendo's virtual console strategy via streaming). But for the actual AAA titles on the next console wave, id bet money its still processed right there.
 
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therealnickdanger said:
Carrizo has HEVC Main 10 hardware playback, so it technically could if a software player were provided.
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No it doesn't. It supports 8bit only so it cant be used or Bluray.

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happy medium said:
Why don't the next gen consoles just use some sort of energy efficent Intel 8 core cpu, (Cannonlake SOC @ 20 watts)
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Because intel will charge $300 minimum for such an SoC. Even in 20 million piece quantities. If you are talking about having a separate CPU and GPU, then Sony/MSFT will not pay more than $70 for the CPU alone. They would be lucky to get a 22nm 4C8T from intel for that price, but it wouldnt even be well binned, and even then they'd only get this deal after cannonlake launches.
 
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therealnickdanger said:
Sh*t, nope, the recent UVD6 update adds Main 10 support to Stoney/Bristol, not Carrizo. So close, yet so far.
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Bristol Ridge is exactly like Carrizo. Its the exact same silicon. So no, no HEVC 10bit or VP9 there. You have to wait for Zen APUs for that.
 
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The only ppl really pushing 4k are the TV companies. It hasn't picked up because anybody that takes a minute to Google 4k TVs realizes it's a scam for living room settings (sitting 7-9ft from a TV won't show a difference between 1080 & 4k). 4k was designed for smartphones, tablets, and yes laptops & desktops, form factors that u use 1-3 ft away. Then u can notice a difference in fidelity, but in a living room setting u won't notice a difference at all. So I just don't see how 4k console gaming is ever gonna take off.
 
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@poohbear
If you have a huge TV, 4K makes a big difference.

But the issue is lacking in real 4K content.

I guess that's a problem that time solves so next-gen consoles need to be 4K and VR capable.
 
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Getting closer to not being a rumor any more.

So what do we know about the rumoured PlayStation 4.5? In the wake of last week's post-GDC outing of the hardware by Kotaku, we have independently established that it's real and that Sony's R&D labs have prototype devices, and we also have more than one source referring to it as PlayStation 4K, the name we'll be using for now. And this is where things become slightly strange - because while more GPU power is being offered to developers, realistically it is nowhere near enough to provide native 4K gaming at the same quality level as current 1080p titles.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ystation-4k-is-real-but-why-is-sony-making-it
 
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ShintaiDK said:
No it doesn't. It supports 8bit only so it cant be used or Bluray.

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carrizo has uvd 6 with xtensa processor also it has an arm block and TEE and while it says 8 bit the xtensa cpu alone is the proof that it can actually handle 10 bit
 
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poohbear said:
The only ppl really pushing 4k are the TV companies. It hasn't picked up because anybody that takes a minute to Google 4k TVs realizes it's a scam for living room settings (sitting 7-9ft from a TV won't show a difference between 1080 & 4k). 4k was designed for smartphones, tablets, and yes laptops & desktops, form factors that u use 1-3 ft away. Then u can notice a difference in fidelity, but in a living room setting u won't notice a difference at all. So I just don't see how 4k console gaming is ever gonna take off.
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I've got a large high end 1080p tv in the basement and a large high end 4k tv upstairs. I can very easily tell the difference between the two at least on Netflix's stream. BD 1080p vs 4k BD is the next test. BD 1080p vs streamed 4k is not even close to apples to apples.
 
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