AnandThenMan
Diamond Member
I see 4 screws on the fan so sure you can swap it. AMD is not using Area 51 tech for the fan maybe somewhere else but not the fan.
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I see 4 screws on the fan so sure you can swap it. AMD is not using Area 51 tech for the fan maybe somewhere else but not the fan.
sze5003
Lifer
It looks like the top could be unscrewed but I'm not sure. I'd like to see how some people mount them before getting one. I just fear the wires may not reach where my fan is. I don't have other room to place the AIO with the CPU cooler and everything I have in there.
Silverforce11
Lifer
No. That's such BS.
PC gaming is still the throne of Geekdom. It's still our MMO haven. Our strategic playground. Our online twitch shooter-fest-galore that works best on mouse/kb. Our serious clan-war/team/squad headset/mic coordination extra-curricular activity.
We certainly don't do these things in the "living room" where the gf, wife, kids, dogs, cats are a major distraction.
All PC gamers I know, have a throne room dedicated to our god, the glorious master-race computing masterpiece.
There's plenty of great 4k monitors. Lumping on a giant tv and gaming from a couch with a gamepad is so consolitis.
AnandThenMan
Diamond Member
Do a Google image search for pc gaming I don't see one living room set.
Get out more then?
While I agree for now, I think it will push into the living room quite fast. While I don't know how steam machines will affect the world, I know that I'll be at least getting a steam link + controller, just to see how it works, and any game I can comfortably play in the living room, I will.
Now of course when i absolutely need mouse and K/B it'll be back to the battle station, but there are plenty of other things like racing, or lego games with my kids that I would love to easily play on the big screen. And when I finally get a new build going (skylake + 14nm GPU), my old but still very capable rig is heading to HTPC duty. I don't think PC gamers want to give up their battle stations, but I know I wish it was easier to play my games in the living room when I wanted to occasionally. Of course all this you can do today mostly, but it's not as convenient or cheap as a steam link. Now that my kids are getting older I'm dying for couch co-op/spit screen to make a come back, I still really like the Wii U for that aspect, it's a fairly "social" system, where no one has to sit on the sidelines and watch.
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You should be able to if you want to try something different, it looks like a standard 120mm fan.
AMD confirmed it's a Nidec fan (which is the OEM who makes the Gentle Typhoons for Scythe), so I think most people will be happy. Someone might want to change it for slower fans in push/pull though.
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at80eighty
Senior member
intriguing perspectives about the LR status of the PC.
id be tempted to move my gaming rig to the big TV, but im sold on G/freesync. unlikely we're going to see TV's with that.
so far the LG 34UM67 is a front runner for me. hopefully more selections along that line come up.
id be tempted to move my gaming rig to the big TV, but im sold on G/freesync. unlikely we're going to see TV's with that.
so far the LG 34UM67 is a front runner for me. hopefully more selections along that line come up.
railven
Diamond Member
Yeah, but I don't see a power connector, chances are it's in the sleeving which prevent me from an easy fan swap like I'd had plan on doing had I gotten the 980 Ti hybrid.
If I can't swap it out without having to cut open the sleeving, I'll just stick to the Cooler Master stock fan. Would have to fiddle with if I do get the Fury X. Can always just slap a Corsair sticker on it haha.
Yeah, but I don't see a power connector, chances are it's in the sleeving which prevent me from an easy fan swap like I'd had plan on doing had I gotten the 980 Ti hybrid.
If I can't swap it out without having to cut open the sleeving, I'll just stick to the Cooler Master stock fan. Would have to fiddle with if I do get the Fury X. Can always just slap a Corsair sticker on it haha.
Unless they change it for retail the stock fan is an OEM Gentle Typhoon 3000rpm fan. Obviously this fan is controlled by the card and doesn't always run at 3000rpm. At lower rpms this fan is near silent. At 3000rpms its 36dBA.
railven
Diamond Member
I'm not worried about the fan, more so the aesthetics of my case/layout. I got a theme going on in my case (which is also pushing me towards Fury X, dat vanity!) and the changeable plates on the SP120 I have for the job would keep it with the theme.
If I can't switch it, oh well. Not like it's a deal breaker.
guskline
Diamond Member
You are correct, the fan is made by Nidec who makes the Gentle Typhoon. I own Corsair SP 120 HP fans AND I own 12 AP15 Gentle Typhoons presently mounted on my radiators in my rig below.
The SP120s are faster fans but the AP15GTs are super quality fans built for the long haul.
exar333
Diamond Member
I enjoy gaming outside of the living room, but it's more and more common as well as bringing tvs in to replace bigger monitors. Lots of younger people with flats or efficiencies use their TV for both gaming and TV.
To say otherwise is rather like putting your head in the sand.
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Silverforce11
Lifer
Oh sure, some may do it. No doubts about that, there's always a niche group.
I was responding to this statement:
"PC gaming has moved into the living room. Period."
Just no. Unless you have a conclusive survey of PC gamers habits. Then consider this, most PC games are designed for mouse/keyboard, games that were designed for gamepads are quite rare.
In fact in the current Steam summer sale, I bought a ton of games, almost none of them even have gamepad support.
Ya now that I think about it, a desk/monitor would be cramped where I live I already have my living room setup with a TV and a projector setup in my bedroom. A desk would be a very very tight fit in my room too.
Never even thought of that.
RussianSensation
Elite Member
HDMI 2.0 does matter but not as much as the small vocal minority on forums is making it. Silverforce11 had a review from MaximumPC (and I linked various 4K reviews) that shows 980Ti SLI gets lower fps at 4K than a single 980Ti does at 1440P. Therefore, truly, HDMI 2.0 should only affect gamers running 2 or more Fury X / 980Ti cards in CF/SLI. What do you think is the percentage of PC gamers buying 2 or more Fury X cards this gen when everyone knows this is a stop-gap gen?
I don't think the tech(FreeSync over HDMI) is mature enough to launch it over the mainstream. Besides, no TV has FreeSync or GSync. That's actually another major point people are ignoring -- FreeSync/GSync helps the most at lower fps and 4K is more demanding than 1080P or 1440P. Since even 980Ti SLI drops to 30 fps minimums at 4K, this is where FreeSync/Gsync shines. For that reason, it's going to be a better gaming experience with a 4K FreeSync/GSync PC Monitor than a 4K TV. Somehow this point is being ignored.
Agreed.
More 4K TVs are sold since people use them for media consumption, not just gaming. I am sure a lot of people use XB1 and PS4 on a 4K TV so the statics count XX% of people playing on 4K. It doesn't suddenly mean that 80% of 4K TV gamers are PC gamers.
What makes 4K TV a tough proposition for PC is because anything larger than 42" is very very difficult to use as both a PC Monitor for work and a TV for gaming. I've been using a 37" for 8 years and I can't imagine using a 48-65" 4K TV on my office desk. Getting used to 37" took a while and I think 42" is the max I would go. So while from a cost/benefit analysis, the large 4K TV sounds like a bargain since you are getting a PC monitor + TV in 1, it's actually basically unusable for regular PC work for those of us who use the PC for work too.
I don't have the stats in front of me but I am going to say you are not correct in this. Just a basic observation of motherboards, cases, videocards, PSUs and so on tells me miniITX or MicroATX is a tiny niche of the current laptop and desktop PC gaming scene.
It's so niche, that people have to crowdfund/kick-starter small PC cases.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1717132
Most people don't want a medium or large PC case in their living room. I would say the % of PC gamers gaming in the living room on their TVs is less than 20% out of the entire PC gaming scene and I might be optimistic with this number. Once I have more time, I'll research this data point more.
I've been gaming on a large screen myself for 8 years as I mentioned and from my recollection most PC gamers on this forum and others I visit aren't using large TVs. Some do, but a tiny minority. With Fury X launch, it seems the entire PC enthusiast community is now gaming on 4K TVs. It doesn't make sense considering basically no 4K TVs other than late 2014/2015 models are even worth buying since most of them only supported HDMI 2.0 @ 30Hz and others were just poor quality to begin with (i.e., 4K LED/LCD that has worse IQ than a 1080P Plasma so a lot of movie videophiles wouldn't upgrade either way).
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railven
Diamond Member
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue there isn't a growing HTPC user base, shoot the primary PC crew I role with is like 60% HTPC. I'm more of a hybrid.
When I got my HD 5870 I ran some wires from the office to the living room. So I can switch between my desktop setup (for MMOs and RTS) to downstairs where I got an again 52" XBR. WIth a USB switch I got wireless DS4 and KB+M support. Some games are just better experienced on a bigger screen (Batman/Tomb Raider/etc).
The best of both worlds without even trying. I look forward to see what Steam Link can do and add it to my bedroom TV.
EDIT: Reading RS' post, I sort of agree with him. When I use the 52" I'm probably 7-8" feet away. At this point I'm using 1080p with whatever AA I can get away with but honestly, I can't make out the pixels from that distance so even if I used say Super Sampling It would probably be a waste outside of epeen'ing.
When I do finally go 4K it will most likely be a nice monitor. The TV can, probably until actual media catches up. Watching television on the 52" is a nightmare, most crap is still 720p upscaled. Woof.
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Azix
Golden Member
Better getting a massive monitor and using it as a TV. Even HD Cable boxes come with HDMI. The only limitation is that monitors don't so often come with multiple HDMI connections, but there are ways around that. That is what I intend to do with consoles when I get them. Plug them into PC monitor.
The HDMI 2 outcry is silly. People just want something to cry about. I think it's far more relevant if a GPU doesn't support adaptive sync and lacks the DP standard to do so. Most of these people probably don't even have TVs that can manage the output. TVs weren't made for that
Just swiping the image from the last page, but
I believe (though am not sure) that the small wire zip tied to the one tube on the right where it says "zip tie not included" is probably the fan.
The board pics posted show a standard 4pin JST connector for the fan like most GPUs use instead of the 0.1" Molex KK style header that you see on a motherboard, so you'll have to change the end or get an adapter for your SP120.
Quick off topic:
A 40.5" 4K = a 27" 2560x1440 DPI
A 48" 4K = a 24" 1920x1080 DPI
Why did you have problems with a big screen for work related use?
Too much head movement?
Azix
Golden Member
Probably. Its more strain on the eyes as well especially if its at a desk. For those PC gaming from a distance it won't be that big an issue. Having a massive screen up close probably reduces effectiveness in competitive games.
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Don't understand this. DPI and font sizes will be as I noted.
RussianSensation
Elite Member
First, if you are running Excel models or writing in Word, it makes it very difficult to see that much data in one's peripheral vision. What happens is you have to constantly move your head left or right, but this is not as big of a problem since plenty of people have used 2x23 inch monitors. Even bigger problem is vertical screen space. You would literally need to wall mount your 48-65 inch TV so that the bottom of the TV's frame meets the desk at the lowest point. Even if you do that, a screen so large means instead of staring straight at the center of it, you will find yourself looking upwards. Over 8-10 hours of office work, this is a death sentence to your neck. Thirdly, have you tried to view fast motion 1-1.5 feet away for prolonged periods of time? There is a reason the first 5-6 rows at a movie theater are the last ones taken most of the time since a lot of people get motion sickness and headaches when the image so large Is so close. I am not sure what the scientific reason is but I can't sit 1-2 feet away in front of a 48-65 inch TV. It's not pleasant. I think a lot of people would agree. The problem becomes that as you move farther away from a large 4K TV, the larger it needs to be to resolve the extra pixels. CNET did a calculation where at something like 8-9 feet you would need a TV 84" in size to resolve 4K. That's prohibitively expensive. I think a lot of gamers using 4K TVs of 48-56 sizes confuse 4K clarity with 1080p clarity in their living room; but instead a 2015 4K TV simply has a way better IQ (contrast, black levels, colors, etc.) to their 5-8 year old LCD. That's probably where most of the wow factor comes from.
It's hard to explain until you actually use a large monitor/TV. I have a huge office desk as is and 42 is the max I would go.
Going back to my original point, a lot of PC gamers realize that if play all kinds of games but you aren't willing to keep dropping $1300 every 2 years on GPUs for 4K, might as well forget it!
I looked at so many reviews/benchmarks of 4K, my head spins and I've determined I just don't want a 27-28" 4K, 32" 4K are too expensive, 48-65" TVs are unusable for office work on an office desk, and I am not ready to buy flagship cards in pairs every gen to keep up. Once next gen games come out, suddenly Fury X CF and 980Ti SLI are too slow forcing one to turn settings down. Everyone has a different opinion but I decided to hold off on 4K. It's not ready in terms of PC monitors as most are either too small, too expensive and lack FreeSync/GSync. I just grabbed the BenQ 2560x1440 32" as a stop gap for an incredible price, which means a single flagship card will be good enough and in 3-4 years 4K will mature in all aspects from FreeSync/GSync to GPU performance. I am sure a lot of PC gamers really want a 4K screen but once the time comes to pull the trigger, all these variables I discussed become real factors in their purchase.
Like I said a single 980Ti is faster at 1440p than dual 980Ti at 4K. I would rather take 1440p @ 32-35 inch maxed out than 4K on Medium setting.
Also I really believe that games ought to become more demanding soon since we should finally start seeing 2nd and 3rd gen XB1/PS4 ports. Those games will crush modern cards at 4K considering modern GPUs barely keep up in today's games. If I had unlimited budget, yes I would get a 4K monitor and Quad Titan Xs or something.
Finally, I have a Panasonic plasma in my living room, which means even though 4K > 1080p on paper, current LCD/LED tech isn't good enough for me for the media/movie aspect of my living room space. Now if I could get an OLED TV at a decent price in 3-4 years, I might do that.
This makes 4K TV argument a bit tricky since LCD/LED tech itself can't hold a candle to Panasonic or Samsung plasma which means it fails BOTH as a media TV device and as an office productivity device. For now I am forced to have plasma for the living room and a PC monitor LCD for office work.
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