[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[Majcric]

no plasmas bigger than 65 inches though. Enjoy your shit shadow-detail and motion blur.

They're bigger but you really have to pay for them and not really known as a consumer product. I have a couple panny plasmas but still like my 1440p monitor better.

 

[Orivaa]

Damn I was about to get a g1 too. Hmm... I'll see the launch reviews but maybe the -g1 is what I'll get.

The main thing seems to be the voltage control atm. If it can't be overclocked because it's locked, then of course the extremely overclocked G1 is gonna surpass it. It'll be interesting to see how it escalates.

He also have some good stuff to say about the Fury, like
"4k performance to be Frank on Fury is excellent. I just think AMD have also addressed other major issues such as coil whine being one of them and the cooler and design I'd rate as the best yet for a graphics card."

"Cooler is superb, normal gaming around 35c load, sub 40 benchmarking and very quiet."

 

[.vodka]

I suppose Fury/Fiji is using a new voltage controller that isn't supported at the time by OC tools like afterburner, etc. That will come in time, unless there's something else going on.

35-40°C load is just what I was expecting. Ambient temps have a lot to do with that result but that's what a good AIO with an excellent fan does to a single GPU card.

 

[looncraz]

So Gibbo over at OcUK have press version of the Fury X, and has this to say:
[snip]
Fury you can't clock the memory full stop and on stock voltage Fury does not clock well at all.

So it will all depend on how much more headroom Fury gets from some extra voltage but right now voltage is locked.
"Well my card is not what I'd class as an overclockers dream, locked memory, no voltage control, maybe only in my dreams.

Early days though yet, +100mv could make a vast improvement, but the card is so new so the current software available can only alter core clock."
[snip]

Okay, so there are a few things we know here: Fiji employs a personalized voltage configuration per GPU and is not set to a 'safe' general voltage. That means the cards come at close to their lowest stable voltage for stock speeds. This means poor overclocking should be expected without ramping the voltage.

As for memory clocks, we have no idea how HBM responds to clock rate changes - and it may well not be pretty... especially for generation 1 versions... AMD usually allows memory overclocking in OverDrive, which we know they don't for Fiji GPUs, so I'm imagining there's a good reason (though it could be that the drivers just aren't ready for that yet, or that you can only get like 1%, or that you get damage before corruption or instability...).

Software will quickly catch up and we will get overclocking reports galore within the next month, no doubt... though I'd much prefer for them to be available with the Wednesday release. Hopefully AMD releases updated drivers and enough specs to get things moving ASAP.

 

[Azix]

I've gotten into arguments about the lack of HDMI 2.0 on the fury card. Here is my thinking

1. Multiple DP are needed for multimonitor freesync.
2. DP ports can now or in the future be converted to HDMI 2.0 or DVI through adapters.


3. The same people complaining about hdmi 2.0 probably don't even have full hdmi 2.0 TVs not to mention very few in general will.

4. If it had hdmi 2.0 and DVI, people would be crying that it did not have enough DP for a high end card in AMDs lineup. Because it would not be able to do multimonitor freesync through DP as adaptive sync currently operates.

ultimately it simply makes far more sense to have DP and HDMI 1.4 to cover the vast majority of gamers. Partners will likely include HDMI to DVI adapters and HDMI 2 can come later.

 

[hawtdawg]

ultimately it simply makes far more sense to have DP and HDMI 1.4 to cover the vast majority of gamers. Partners will likely include HDMI to DVI adapters and HDMI 2 can come later.

No it doesn't. By leaving out HDMI 2.0, they remove any possibility of it being used for 4k TV's and any possibility of HDMI to dual link DVI. They basically alienated anyone who uses a Korean panel or anyone wanting to use this as a 4K HTPC machine (what the hell is even the target audience for the Nano?), which is plenty of people who would be on the market for the Fury (myself included).

If they want to push forward with newer display connection technology, fine! but they didn't! all they did was remove a still widely used connector, and didn't replace it with one that some video cards have already had for a year or more, that would have given backwards compatibility with duallink DVI. doesn't make any goddamned sense at all. I really wanted to get a fury, but now I can't, because I'm running an Overlord X270OC which is DVI only. For a company that's already reeling, cutting out possible customers this way is the dumbest thing I can imagine.

 

[Eymar]

There is not much to argue about lack of hdmi 2.0. In a nutshell it is stupid for AMD not to include it with latest cards and if you need hdmi 2.0 then amd cards is not for you.

 

[exar333]

There is not much to argue about lack of hdmi 2.0. In a nutshell it is stupid for AMD not to include it with latest cards and if you need hdmi 2.0 then amd cards is not for you.

This.

Fanboys can defend it and say all they want about using adapters and so forth, but it was a poor choice. Period.

Thankfully (for me) I don't need 4K bandwidth so Fury is still fine for me. It works for 3440x1440 on DP and both DP and HDMI 1.4 will have enough for the Oculus Rift.

Its odd that others think something isn't an issue just because it doesn't directly affect THEM. Or say ignorant things like 'PC gaming belongs in the office/man cave not in the living room'.

Can't wait for reviews this week...

 

[Majcric]

For me the least of my cocerns is the lack of hdmi 2.0, but rather the VRAM. 4gb is being tapped at already and a few games( very few) want more. But I personally only think this VRAM limitation will only get worse

 

[hawtdawg]

There is not much to argue about lack of hdmi 2.0. In a nutshell it is stupid for AMD not to include it with latest cards and if you need hdmi 2.0 then amd cards is not for you.

I don't need HDMI 2.0, i need dual link DVI, which HDMI 2.0 would have given me had they included it.

 

[hawtdawg]

For me the least of my cocerns is the lack of hdmi 2.0, but rather the VRAM. 4gb is being tapped at already and a few games( very few) want more. But I personally only think this VRAM limitation will only get worse

We've seen some games with some extremely sloppy coding, that definitely didn't warrant needing 4+ GB. That's what we've seen. I mean Shadows of Mordor? That game shouldn't have needed more than a gig and a half.

 

[Orivaa]

For me the least of my cocerns is the lack of hdmi 2.0, but rather the VRAM. 4gb is being tapped at already and a few games( very few) want more. But I personally only think this VRAM limitation will only get worse

According to Gibbo at OcUK, the card does extremely well at 4k, so I don't imagine VRAM shortage will be a thing.

 

[3DVagabond]

Wow. I guess pc gaming isn't as flexible as I thought. I guess I should just get a console since pc gaming is only for desk man caves.

Steam machine, mini itx cases the size of consoles, Alienware alpha, steam in home streaming to tv, etc that all must be for more desktop gaming right?

Lol pc gamers are so rigid that they defeat the whole reason pc gaming is cool. Because it's flexible. Lol oh well typical

For me the jury is out until I see reviews that show the input lag of HDMI 2.0 on these TV's. I'm assuming it's going to be horrendous though until shown otherwise.

 

[Azix]

meh. I guess people just see things differently. Buy what works for you. For the vast majority it's going to be fine.

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah, it's same as discussing peformance per watt. Some or most people will not care, but it's good to know and interesting discussion point.

You really think it's the same? lol

 

[Silverforce11]

Or say ignorant things like 'PC gaming belongs in the office/man cave not in the living room'.

Excuse me, do not twist my words. I didn't say it belongs anywhere. I had said it still is predominantly a geekdom/mancave activity. Until you find evidence to suggest PC gaming has moved to the living room, don't be claiming such as facts.

 

[Azix]

I think its a bigger deal it has only the one HDMI for multimonitor setups without DP. but an adapter can solve that.

 

[sze5003]

It has been said I think in the other thread there will be adapters for HDMI 2.0 sometime after this summer.

 

[tential]

For me the jury is out until I see reviews that show the input lag of HDMI 2.0 on these TV's. I'm assuming it's going to be horrendous though until shown otherwise.

They're already out and have been out for awhile.... Its around 30 ms for most sets that are 4k 60"hz and native 120"hz at 1080p and every enthusiast already knows this..

More people console game than pc game on low 1 ms input monitors. Millions of people are ok with higher than 1-2 ms input lag. Get over it.

 

[Azix]

They're already out and have been out for awhile.... Its around 30 ms for most sets that are 4k 60"hz and native 120"hz at 1080p and every enthusiast already knows this..

More people console game than pc game on low 1 ms input monitors. Millions of people are ok with higher than 1-2 ms input lag. Get over it.

Isn't that because consoles run with lower framerates already?

 

[Silverforce11]

More people console game than pc game on low 1 ms input monitors. Millions of people are ok with higher than 1-2 ms input lag. Get over it.

Not sure what you are saying there, more people game on the inferior tech and so we PC gamers need to get used to bad standards?

 

[Eymar]

I don't need HDMI 2.0, i need dual link DVI, which HDMI 2.0 would have given me had they included it.

At least in your case then there is a possibility of an AIB card wtih Fiji having a DVI-D connector since the Tonga's display controller supports it.

 

[3DVagabond]

They're already out and have been out for awhile.... Its around 30 ms for most sets that are 4k 60"hz and native 120"hz at 1080p and every enthusiast already knows this..

More people console game than pc game on low 1 ms input monitors. Millions of people are ok with higher than 1-2 ms input lag. Get over it.

Where did I set the mark @ 1-2 ms? Below 16ms is generally considered good, if not ideal. 30ms is almost 2 frames of lag @ 60Hz. Do you have a link for me to read for the 30ms, because not everyone has seen it.

 

[Eymar]

You really think it's the same? lol

I was referring to jackstar7's comment about not stopping to try educate people. I try not to quote everything especially if it's the next post.

 

[MrTeal]

No it doesn't. By leaving out HDMI 2.0, they remove any possibility of it being used for 4k TV's and any possibility of HDMI to dual link DVI. They basically alienated anyone who uses a Korean panel or anyone wanting to use this as a 4K HTPC machine (what the hell is even the target audience for the Nano?), which is plenty of people who would be on the market for the Fury (myself included).

If they want to push forward with newer display connection technology, fine! but they didn't! all they did was remove a still widely used connector, and didn't replace it with one that some video cards have already had for a year or more, that would have given backwards compatibility with duallink DVI. doesn't make any goddamned sense at all. I really wanted to get a fury, but now I can't, because I'm running an Overlord X270OC which is DVI only. For a company that's already reeling, cutting out possible customers this way is the dumbest thing I can imagine.

It's really rather funny, since the biggest knock against including DL-DVI is that the connectors take up a huge amount of space on the back of the card and obstruct airflow. With Hawaii about 2/3 of the backplate is obstructed, and if AMD wanted to include two (or three) DP outputs in addition to HDMI and DL_DVI almost the entire back would have been blocked off.

For Fury X though, who cares? The entire second half of the bracket is just a blank plate; there would have been plenty of room for the standard stacked two DL-DVI connectors in addition to four ports on there now.

I can understand not updating to HDMI2.0. I don't think it's the right move but that would have required tweaking that block from Hawaii/Tonga and if cutting it pulled in schedule or something, fair enough. Not including a DVI port is just silly though.