[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[tviceman]

Yes, rebrands have been done before, but never this shamelessly, and never with such obsolete products across an entire product stack.

Not true. G92 / G92b will forever hold that crown.

 

[monstercameron]

Are you guys done whining about unsubstantiated claims of rebrand yet?

 

[AtenRa]

A $500 mid range card is a joke, even with the across the board price hikes on 28nm, the 980 is worth $400 at most given its performance.

I could almost understand the higher prices at initial 28nm GPU releases, but almost 3 years later cards like GTX980 should of been at $250-300 maximum today.

I just want to see Fury and how it performs. I'm sure even if it's a screamer there will still be crapping. Probably complaints about the colour scheme, the tubing used for the radiator or that pcper's sample did not arrive with a box of chocolates and a dozen roses. 😀

Havent seen a backplate and there are no DVI ports in Fury, total fail. :biggrin:

Also i would like a window on the front cover to see the GPU Cooler/pump and red led inside.

(dont anyone dare to make a modding to his Fury like that, its registered ) 😛

 

[tviceman]

Are you guys done whining about unsubstantiated claims of rebrand yet?

Are you done whining about other people talking, sharing opinions, speculating, and probably being right?

 

[monstercameron]

Are you done whining about posters speculating?

Yes.

 

[Azix]

This is really the relevant point.

Try looking at it from the other side. The GTX 980 Ti is a good card, but if Nvidia had released nothing of Maxwell except the Titan X and 980 Ti, and rebranded all the other Kepler stuff, would they have anywhere near the market share they do now? Would people be praising their performance crown, or wondering where the heck mid-range Maxwell was?

It's ultimately down to performance. If a 390x competes with a 980 for less, thats all that matters.

AMD had no reason to release new chips till last year, but the 980 was well above the 290x price at launch and the 970 was trading blows. If they took 2 years to put out something substantially new, blame the lack of real pressure. If 2 year old architecture is still relevant even now I mean...

If that 390x beats the 980 it's simply over. We all know what happens with nvidia cards as time passes so what is the case now will be worse later on.

The entire 300 series launch is a lie. The pretense is that these are new cards, when they're actually old cards with new names. They're even giving new codenames to the same old chips (Hawaii->Grenada, Tonga->Antigua, Pitcairn->Trinidad, Bonaire->Tobago) to try to trick the more technically inclined buyers into thinking these are new products.

Yes, rebrands have been done before, but never this shamelessly, and never with such obsolete products across an entire product stack.

I think you are taking rumours and consumer hype as official AMD stance. AMD has literally done nothing, so how shameless can it really be?

I don't know if they are rebrands or refreshes but we can't expect a full stack of completely new chips. Even the all powerful and super rich nvidia 🙄 only put out 2 maxwell 2 cards last year and one was handicapped. AMD should be launching 3 and potentially refreshed cards as well.

Whoever is calling the AMD cards obsolete is clueless. We all like new things, but facts are still facts. if hawaii is obsolete how can the 970 be any kind of relevant? if the 390x competes with the 980, how can the 980 be less than obsolete?

 

[Melanija]

Taken care of
Moderator Subyman

 

[Spanners]

Because it's on going and hasn't concluded yet.



7970 happened, didn't it? It was a mixed bag at launch.
Hawaii happened, didn't it? It was a mixed bag at launch.
R9 285 happened, didn't it? It was a dud.

With all that is going on right now, Deny Deny Deny all you want. If it quacks like a duck and feels like a duck, you usually don't need to see it to be fairly certain that it's a duck.

Three rhetorical questions? You've said all that already in the post I quoted, it was the unmistakable implication that this launch was also a failure that I was responding to.

I'm not denying anything because there is nothing credible to deny. If the bird hasn't been born yet then I'll wait to hear the quacks for my-self and then decide if it's a duck.

 

[x3sphere]

I agree with tviceman, if the parts are indeed rebadged I don't think it's game over for AMD or anything. 290X/290 as it stands compete well with 970/980 aside from the power consumption aspect.

It's only dissapointing in the sense that it won't really bring baseline performance up at an affordable price (something AMD is often known for). We know that Fury will likely start at $500+, which means Nvidia's prices aren't moving unless Fury completely blows the 980 Ti away. It'd also mean that this gen, there would be more of a gap between the mid-range and high end parts.

 

[SimianR]

Why do companies rebrand products? Because it works. The 290/290X launch was really hurt by the poor reference coolers. I guess AMD figures if they bump the clocks, bump the VRAM and allow custom coolers from the get go that these GPU's can still hold their own, which I wouldn't be surprised if they still do okay. I'm disappointed that the Fiji Pro won't be sold as the 390X though, it sounds like it's going to be sold as the Fury as well which means it will probably be at a fairly high price point. We can still hope for $500 though. It seems like AMD is just trying to get through to next year. If volume ramps up and the hype dies down maybe we'll see a cheaper Fiji Pro down the line.

 

[Erenhardt]

Because it's on going and hasn't concluded yet.



7970 happened, didn't it? It was a mixed bag at launch.
Hawaii happened, didn't it? It was a mixed bag at launch.
R9 285 happened, didn't it? It was a dud.

With all that is going on right now, Deny Deny Deny all you want. If it quacks like a duck and feels like a duck, you usually don't need to see it to be fairly certain that it's a duck.

980 happened, it did to 290x what 7970 did to 580, but was claimed as a huge success...
285 is a better card than 960 for less.

What a flip-flop.

Strange, I don't remember those same people that bash amd now for not leaking samples before release, bashing nvidia for launching Titan-Z without any review samples what so ever. Feel free to correct me.

 

[Kippa]

Is it me are there a sudden influx of relatively new users making posts saying that all AMD is doing is rebranding their own cards? ¬_¬ meh maybe it is just me.

What in your mind would constitute a pure rebrand? If the card performs +/- a few percent difference? When does a rebrand stop becoming a rebrand and constitute as being a new card? For me if they release a new single gfx card that has performance close to a Titan X then that is NOT a rebrand. If you think it is then could you please give me a link to an current single AMD card that has roughly the same performance as a TITAN X.

 

[RussianSensation]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

Are you saying that tom's video card comparison chart is wrong??? Oh, the humanity!

Yes, it's 100% wrong and not just in 1 stack, many stacks.

1. They place GTX580 on the same level as an R9 285 (FAIL). They place HD6970 2 full levels below a GTX580 (FAIL). Today, R9 285 is 49% faster than a GTX580, while 580 outperforms the 6970 by only 8%.

2. Tom's places 780Ti on the same level as a 980 and faster than the 290X. FAIL. 980 is faster than 780Ti and even 290X > 780Ti at high resolution gaming.

3. Tom's places HD7990 on the same level as a 690. FAIL. 680 1 level above 285/280. FAIL. Tom's has 780 1 level above 7970Ghz but there is less performance difference between a 780 and 7970Ghz than between 770 and 7970Ghz. :whiste:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/images/perfrel_2560.gif

I don't think anyone from this forum who has followed reviews closely pays attention to any GPU review Tom's publishes. Tom's has overstated the performance level of nearly every Kepler card in that chart.

You do realize the only time "aftermarket" cards are used is when there is no reference design, right? Look at 285 reviews, same situation....

If a review includes after-market NV cards, they should only be compared against after-market AMD cards, and vice versa, or the after-market cards downclocked to stock speeds, or a disclaimer in the conclusion should be made that they can't conclude which card is ultimately better until they reviews after-market products of the competitor. Apparently 95% of the North American media doesn't get this and they didn't get this during EVGA GTX460 FTW vs. 6870 reviews, HD7950/7970/7970Ghz/R9 290/290X or 960 reviews either. The end result is for the last 3 years certain members keep linking reviews using reference 7950/7970/290/290X cards which are basically worthless for most PC enthusiasts since we tend to buy after-market cards. That's why sites like Computerbase.de, Guru3D, TechSpot, Hardware.fr, TPU provide very good reviews for those of us who buy after-market cards.

Speaking of which, my gtx 480 kind of sparked, made a funny noise, then left me with a burning smell when I tried to fire up my 2500k rig the other day. Time for a new gpu for a rig that I haven't used in 18 months? I think so!

Is it dead? Do you have warranty on it?

Maybe grab a $270 R9 290X XFX with Lifetime Warranty and move the 7970 into the 480 rig? Since you tend to keep your cards for a while, this might not be a bad deal considering the lifetime warranty. It doesn't look like 390/390X will offer superior price/performance to aging 290 series. Alternatively there is a PowerColor R9 290 for $220 on Newegg. Sounds like a good stop-gap for 2 years until 14nm HBM2 arrive.

I can't wait for the gtx 980ti aib oc results pitted against fiji wce stock reference. Because the America gpu community is just so objective

Likes THG review of the gtx 960

Their excuse has been that AMD/AIBs didn't provide them with after-market cards. That's valid if they are too cheap to go out and buy after-market versions, except they barely mention the wide availability and price/performance of after-market AMD cards in the conclusions, or go into massive spin mode to do everything possible to market perf/watt over performance and price/performance and ignore VRAM bottlenecks when convenient.

The Kepler Syndrome is very serious in fact it is so serious that it annoyed my water cooling even more than it annoyed me after trying to enjoy the Witcher 3. What came of this is a burned card, my WC decided it was time to retire those Keplers and then it leaked burning my card in the process. The other one is being diagnosed. First I need to be 100% sure that it is dry.

Sorry to hear about your card. Kepler Syndrome doesn't matter anymore since according to some users here it's OK for a $700 card to start losing to a $550 card it competed against and for the OG Titan to become barely faster than a 280X. Apparently if you aren't happy, you should just upgrade to the next NV generation after 2 years.

Not too terribly excited for 300 series. HDMI looks like version 1.4, and not 2.0. Basically silicon respin and a bump in clocks. That's the best they managed for the entire 300 series in almost 2 years. They could have put tonga in 390x - that would've been good bump.

True, but:

1) If you are truly looking at it as a stop-gap, R9 290/290X would be better buys than R9 390/390X with HDMI 2.0
2) For 4K PC monitors, you do not need HDMI 2.0 since they support DP, and so do the older GCN cards.

If Lisa Su made a poll, what would you like us to do:

1) Invest resources for a 28nm generation low-to-mid-range cards that will last 18 months only but it would take resources away from our 14nm HBM 2 designs? or

2) Invest as little as possible resources into 28nm generation, except Fiji high-end and instead invest a lot more resources into an entirely new product stack top-to-bottom with 14nm HBM?

Wouldn't you pick #2? I would.

I think that 2500K deserves better! Its like your 2500k and GTX 480 were a young married couple. One stayed fit and ate healthy, the other smoked and drank heavily. The 2500k is ready to get back out there and meet a new video card. Still has tons of life left in it!

:thumbsup:

I was looking at i7 2600K @ 4.7-4.8Ghz. After more closely comparing benchmarks scores of i7 2600K OC vs. i7 4790K, I realized just how much of a waste Haswell was all these years. 🙁 Makes me think to just sell the 2500K and pick up a used 2600K for $30-40 cash outlay and coast another 2 years.

i7 2600K @ 4.5Ghz - TechReport vs. i7 4770K @ 4.7Ghz by TechReport

I haven't paid attention that closely but man i7 2600K @ 4.7-4.8Ghz is just beast mode despite being 4.5 years old.

Thanks for reminding me just how much of utter fail Haswell CPU generation has been, I almost forgot since most reviewers never did OC vs. OC comparisons.

*** Off-topic, but somewhat on topic for those concerned about upgrading their CPU - nah, get a new GPU and keep Sandy OC for another 1.5-2 years! I am off looking for a used 2600K thanks to your post reminding me to stay objective in my upgrades. :biggrin:

 

[AnandThenMan]

The 300 series rebrands should have been OEM-only products.

At this point, the story won't be Fiji's performance, whatever that might be. Most buyers don't care about >$500 cards. The story will be that AMD has absolutely nothing new below the $500 price point, and that they're still rebadging old products from 2012.

The entire 300 series launch is a lie.

Are you done whining about posters speculating?

Does the above look like speculation to you and not statements of fact?

 

[boozzer]

haha, I think there should be a amd fud thread 🙂 just to keep this thread clean.

is there a forum rule against deliberate misinformation? is that trolling? because there are few who are deliberately doing it while disguising it as discussion/speculation.

 

[TaintedSquirrel]

The youtube guy ran 3dmark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kEcbLRnbVI

Linus responds to review samples:
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...ke-ltt-in-time-for-the-16th-reveal/?p=5210707

 

[railven]

It's ultimately down to performance. If a 390x competes with a 980 for less, thats all that matters.

No, not if it's like current hardware where it takes the 390x almost 33% more power to be competitive. I'm hoping they at least got better power efficiency because if this were even remotely true then below:

AMD had no reason to release new chips till last year, but the 980 was well above the 290x price at launch and the 970 was trading blows. If they took 2 years to put out something substantially new, blame the lack of real pressure. If 2 year old architecture is still relevant even now I mean...

Have you been absent the last few months? AMD's market share bombed. That alone should have been pressure/motive to get new product out. If these cards are respins with better efficiency, they should have expedited them to market to clear the "power hungry" R9 series.

Architecture is not overall design. And it wasn't the uarch giving R9 200s a black eye.

I got an itch to buy a 290/X at current price then quickly remembered why I skipped it.

 

[monstercameron]

I'm on my phone but can someone dig up the legendary pissing match between James prior of amd and Ryan shrout, seriously good stuff!

Pcper trying to pull an origin pc like stunt...hope they get put on a blacklist, sorry josh!

Link here
https://twitter.com/cavemanjim/status/609524426887946240

 

[DownTheSky]

LOL some guy in comments on youtube is right.

Rebrandeon.

😀

 

[TaintedSquirrel]

XFX 390 GPU-Z

 

[Tovarisc]

XFX 390's results in Firestrike Normal

Source: http://www.reddit.com/user/XeonFarmer

 

[monstercameron]

XFX 390's results in Firestrike Normal

Source: http://www.reddit.com/user/XeonFarmer

Can you show comparisons to its contemporaries?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Rebrandeon.

Haha clever. Now if AMD rebrands the entire 3xx lineup then the company is finished they will be roasted in reviews and everywhere else.

 

[3DVagabond]

Wouldn't say they ignored them. I'm seeing G3D were the ones that said they'd get review samples after a set date. Possible what was told to the other sites. Except G3D didn't jump on Twitter or write an article about it.

This. G3D just aren't trolling AMD over it. Situations like this really tell a lot about who's pulling the strings at different sites.

 

[Tovarisc]

Can you show comparisons to its contemporaries?

Little quick and dirty pick from Finnish bench, but should give rough idea.

Source; http://muropaketti.com/artikkelit/naytonohjaimet/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-gm204

390 again;