[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[Justinbaileyman]

Anyone know if these 5700 xt cards will be backwards compatible with PCIe 3.0?

 

[tviceman]

It's


It's 10 months after the 2070 released and it's still $500. If $450 is awful, what does that say about $500?

$500 was terrible. $450 for ~5% more performance but less hardware features 9 months later doesn't make things better. This should have been a $379 product, given the past prices of 250mm2 chips and taking into account cost increases, etc.

 

[railven]

It means that AMD is clocking Navi way past it's perf/w curve to match Nvidia on performance.

I'm going to give AMD the benefit of the doubt here. I wouldn't be surprised if they have to, but I'm going to side on "it's not that bad" this time. I'll kill my own crow if I'm wrong.

 

[JasonLD]

Anyone know if these 5700 xt cards will be backwards compatible with PCIe 3.0?

It should for backward and forward compatible just like any other PCIe cards .

 

[RaV666]

So. 3.6 Roentgen. Not great not terrible ;-) .
I mean navi launch unfortunately is dissapointing, higher TBP, 50$ lower price, no Rt. and blower. Meh.
But ryzen 3950X, its pricy, but its like 2x less than the intel furnace.Thats a launch i can get behind.
And pretty much all the sensible leaks payed off, cu numbers, performance, price, tbp .It all was like in the recent leaks.
Investors should be happy about those asps. But they will not get back gpu marketshare with this.

 

[mohit9206]

We crapped a lot on Nvidia when they launched the 2070 and to a lesser extent 2060 as well. Now AMD actually deserves more crap for these two cards than the Nvidia ones not only because it has less features, no RTX, higher power draw and higher/similar price than Nvidia but also launching 10 months later. Absolute disaster for AMD. Two back to back failures. VEGA and NAVI. Well atleast there's still hope for a true RX570 and 580 replacement for around $200-250.

 

[Head1985]

It means that AMD is clocking Navi way past it's perf/w curve to match Nvidia on performance.

Yep so they can charge those insane prices just like NV.Navi 10 is 100% polaris replacement.Its 251mm2 die according to anandtech.They just doubled prices vs RX480 launch because why not????
Its crazy how bad GPU market/prices are now.Its 100% DUOPOLY nothing more.

 

[JDG1980]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3481-amd-navi-rx-5700-xt-specs-overclocking-architecture

They have shown power draw numbers, after all...

So, Navi 10 has 14% better performance than Vega 64. Based on TPU's numbers, Vega 64 provides only 84% of RTX 2070's performance at 1440p (the resolution AMD has been emphasizing in the presentation). 0.84 x 1.14 ~= 0.96. So Navi 10 isn't even going to be as good as RTX 2070 despite using 25W more power and being on a more advanced node...

 

[itsmydamnation]

We crapped a lot on Nvidia when they launched the 2070 and to a lesser extent 2060 as well. Now AMD actually deserves more crap for these two cards than the Nvidia ones not only because it has less features, no RTX, higher power draw and higher/similar price than Nvidia but also launching 10 months later. Absolute disaster for AMD. Two back to back failures. VEGA and NAVI. Well atleast there's still hope for a true RX570 and 580 replacement for around $200-250.

The only thing wrong is the price, but fire up that hyperbole..........

 

[linkgoron]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3481-amd-navi-rx-5700-xt-specs-overclocking-architecture

They have shown power draw numbers, after all...

148% perf/watt vs Vega 64 means that Navi 10 has about 10% (calculation says 8%) better perf/watt than Vega 20 (Assuming Perf/watt number is 1440p, and based on TPUs numbers).

 

[JDG1980]

The only thing wrong is the price, but fire up that hyperbole..........

Well, any product is worthwhile at some price. RX 5700 XT should have been a $329 card. RX 5700 should have been $249.

From a technical perspective, the TDP indicates that their architecture is still far behind Nvidia's (or the graphics division still doesn't know how to bin).

 

[mohit9206]

So. 3.6 Roentgen. Not great not terrible ;-) .

I've heard its equivalent to getting an RTX 2070.

 

[tviceman]

Yep so they can charge those insane prices just like NV.Navi 10 is 100% polaris replacement.Its 251mm2 die according to anandtech.They just doubled prices vs RX480 launch because why not????
Its crazy how bad GPU market/prices are now.Its 100% DUOPOLY nothing more.

Yep. $379 would have been excusable, even lauded, and $399 would have been begrudgingly accepted, but $450 is crap for a small die chip.

And also, just to point out, duopoly's only work when products sell. Nvidia themselves have said Turing isn't selling all that well and Steam survey's show that adoption has been very low.

 

[Stuka87]

So. 3.6 Roentgen. Not great not terrible ;-) .
I mean navi launch unfortunately is dissapointing, higher TBP, 50$ lower price, no Rt. and blower. Meh.
But ryzen 3950X, its pricy, but its like 2x less than the intel furnace.Thats a launch i can get behind.
And pretty much all the sensible leaks payed off, cu numbers, performance, price, tbp .It all was like in the recent leaks.
Investors should be happy about those asps. But they will not get back gpu marketshare with this.

Higher TBP than what? It competes with RTX 2070, and RTX 2070 consumes 200-230W under typical gaming.

 

[mohit9206]

The only thing wrong is the price, but fire up that hyperbole..........

Ofcourse am referring to the price. Anand lal shimpi said you only have a bad price not a bad product.

 

[Glo.]

So, Navi 10 has 14% better performance than Vega 64. Based on TPU's numbers, Vega 64 provides only 84% of RTX 2070's performance at 1440p (the resolution AMD has been emphasizing in the presentation). 0.84 x 1.14 ~= 0.96. So Navi 10 isn't even going to be as good as RTX 2070 despite using 25W more power and being on a more advanced node...

STOP USING TPU NUMBERS!

That site has skewed results. Every site like Hardware Unboxed/TechSpot, HardwareCanucks, Tom's Hardware, GamersNexus show similar results to each other, but vastly different from TPU numbers!

https://www.techspot.com/review/1727-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070/ Going by those numbers, Navi 10 is 10-15% faster than RTX 2070, while using 200W of power, which within 225W TBP spec.

Also they compared to Navi GPU. What if it is only the cut down one? Those numbers would put it on par with RTX 2070, in performance.

 

[Glo.]

148% perf/watt vs Vega 64 means that Navi 10 has about 10% (calculation says 8%) better perf/watt than Vega 20 (Assuming Perf/watt number is 1440p, and based on TPUs numbers).

Please, please, please, stop using TPU numbers.

They are easy to fathom, but are skewed, and mostly wrong. All of their performance numbers are vastly different from all other sites, which show similar results to each other.

 

[Glo.]

https://www.computerbase.de/2019-06/navi-radeon-rx-5700-xt/

Quite a lot of interesting and technical slides.

 

[railven]

Why does the XT looked like it was dropped? I mean, I get people like to pay hundred's of dollars for pre-dirtied jeans, but are people really asking to pay more for what looks like damaged goods? AMD, I don't get this design choice. If it's the same guy that coined RDNA, fire him twice!

 

[RaV666]

RTX 2070's average 200-220W board power.


Higher TBP than what? It competes with RTX 2070, and RTX 2070 consumes 200-230W under typical gaming.

Higher than 2070 ...
All manufacturers tend to give lower TBP`s than actual and especially aib models. Same will apply to navi10, so you will get something like 225-250W in real usage tests.
Anyhow, higher than 2070.
Unless they manage to keep it at 10% faster overall , its gonna have worse power/fps ratio.
However with amd theres always UV, good partners cards after UV may be better than 2070.

 

[Glo.]

Why does the XT looked like it was dropped? I mean, I get people like to pay hundred's of dollars for pre-dirtied jeans, but are people really asking to pay more for what looks like damaged goods? AMD, I don't get this design choice. If it's the same guy that coined RDNA, fire him twice!

Maybe because its new shroud, and the standard one is typical AMD shroud that we have seen before(reused from other design)?

 

[JujuFish]

I was hoping for something relatively good at the ~$300 level, which hasn't seen a real performance increase in YEARS. It's still at ~1070 performance (released more than three years ago now)! The $300 range has gone up by "one" tier in 3 years (1060->1070), and that's just horrible.

It's actually exactly 3 years today. The 1070 was released June 10th, 2016.

 

[RaV666]

As for gpus, i have high hopes for 5700. It has only 4 CUs less, same memory, same gpu,same bandwith and amount of vram, i hope they dont gimp the overclocking on it.If not, its gonna be in spitting distance to the 5700XT.

 

[IAteYourMother]

A little disappointed with the new Radeon GPUs. Feels more incremental than a true generation forward. I do need to upgrade, so I'll just have to wait on real benchmarks/real world pricing and decide between the XT and 2070.

 

[DrMrLordX]

With 14Gbps GDDR6, it has the potential to do nearly 2x as good in Ethereum, once you get all the timing optimizations in. You may not be able to underclock as much though, because at that point its possible you start being limited by compute throughput.

Not too good in terms of pricing, but could be decent overall because its two Polaris cards in one.

Or you can just get Radeon VII for less than twice as much, pull 90 MH/s, and only take up one slot.

Two wrongs don't make a right, that's 3 lefts!

3 Lefts? Hmm, starting to seem like P&N around here.

The only thing wrong is the price, but fire up that hyperbole..........

Yeah, the cards really aren't that bad. AMD is moving forward. Not in the way that I expected or hoped, but they are making something faster than Vega64. Personally I don't think they should have, since replacing Polaris should have been job #1, but oh well.

. If it's the same guy that coined RDNA, fire him twice!

I think that's a flaw in the slide. The card she held up on stage didn't look warped like that. Also, if they fire him twice, does that mean he gets a promotion?