[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[JasonLD]

Agreed. I think the leak prices of $399 for Navi14 and $499 for Navi10 are both about $100 too high, though lowering them both by $50 wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Somewhere along the line, they were supposed to replace Polaris. RX480 launched at $239 for the 8GB version. RX470, $179. RX580, $229 for 8GB version. RX570, $169. RX590 was the most expensive Polaris at $279.

Where is the Polaris replacement?

Well, I am pretty sure there will also be 5600 which will compete against 1660ti/2060, and that will be the Polaris replacement.

 

[exquisitechar]

AMD came up with a new name to stop people from whining about GCN, I see.

Hmm well Vega 56 is normally 10% faster than 1070 but is 34% faster than 1070 in Strange Brigade. So if RX 5700 is 10% faster than RTX 2070 at Strange Brigade, it might still be about 10% *slower* on average than a RTX 2070.

Turing isn't Pascal, I'm pretty sure the 2070 doesn't do that badly compared to the 1070 in this game. Anyway, Navi has extensive changes so it doesn't mean this game is favorable to it like it is to Vega.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, I am pretty sure there will also be 5600 which will compete against 1660ti/2060, and that will be the Polaris replacement.

I hope so. A $239 Navi product would be much better for the gaming public than $399-$499 Navi. Supposedly there are two dice: Navi10 and Navi14. The rumoured Navi12 doesn't exist (and that wouldn't be slower than Navi14 anyway, I wouldn't think). Maybe they'll use defective Navi14s for a series of cheaper products. We don't know how many wafers they have for Navi right now, either. This product run may be rather short if they are moving all their Navi products for console and PC to 7nm+ next year, which is something that'll need to start happening pretty soon.

 

[exquisitechar]

If that 1.5x perf/watt is compared to the Radeon VII, Navi is basically a Maxwell-like leap.

 

[IntelUser2000]

If that 1.5x perf/watt is compared to the Radeon VII, Navi is basically a Maxwell-like leap.

That sounds quite optimistic.

VII has 25% improved perf/watt due to the 7nm process. 50% is likely compared to the 14nm Vega, so 20% on top of VII.

It's still very good.

 

[vissarix]

Meh... barely faster then an RTX2070 on an AMD biased game doesnt impress me at all, probably on par with the RTX2070 on general or perhaps even slower

 

[itsmydamnation]

Meh... barely faster then an RTX2070 on an AMD biased game doesnt impress me at all, probably on par with the RTX2070 on general or perhaps even slower

There are no bad products, only bad prices........

This might not be the fully active / highest bin part given the model number either.

if this mid range part can compete with a 2070 at a good price then thats a good solid offering.

 

[coercitiv]

That sounds quite optimistic.

VII has 25% improved perf/watt due to the 7nm process. 50% is likely compared to the 14nm Vega, so 20% on top of VII.

AMD says 25% improved perf. per clock compared to previous GCN generation. The performance per watt claim is a bit unclear, but I would presume they're talking 14nm vs 7nm, GCN vs. RDNA.

RDNA is expected to deliver incredible performance, power and memory efficiency in a smaller package compared to the previous generation Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture. It is projected to provide up to 1.25X higher performance-per-clock (11) and up to 1.5X higher performance-per-watt over GCN (12), enabling better gaming performance at lower power and reduced latency.

11. Testing done by AMD performance labs 5/23/19, showing a geomean of 1.25x per/clock across 30 different games @ 4K Ultra, 4xAA settings. Performance may vary based on use of latest drivers. RX-327
12. Testing done by AMD performance labs 5/23/19, using the Division 2 @ 25x14 Ultra settings. Performance may vary based on use of latest drivers. RX-325

 

[Glo.]

I will change my prediction on Navi GPUs:

Navi 14: 20 CU chip, with performance at GTX 1660 level, or between GTX 1660 and 1660 Ti levels.
Navi 10: 40 CU chip with slightly(around 10-15%) faster than RTX 2070.

Heh One part of it is correct .

 

[exquisitechar]

That sounds quite optimistic.

VII has 25% improved perf/watt due to the 7nm process. 50% is likely compared to the 14nm Vega, so 20% on top of VII.

It's still very good.

I couldn't watch the keynote before but apparently Lisa Su said this:
"And then, when you put that together, both the architecture – the design capability – as well as the process technology, we're seeing 1.5x or higher performance per watt capability on the new Navi products"
So you are right.

Then there's this. The die is bigger than I expected.

 

[tviceman]

Hmm well Vega 56 is normally 10% faster than 1070 but is 34% faster than 1070 in Strange Brigade. So if RX 5700 is 10% faster than RTX 2070 at Strange Brigade, it might still be about 10% *slower* on average than a RTX 2070.

Everyone is glossing over this, but it proves that Navi is overall slower than the RTX 2070.

 

[tviceman]

As @alcoholbob pointed out, Strange Brigade is VERY AMD friendly. On TPU's latest Turing review, dated April 14th, Vega 7 is a whopping 25% faster than the RTX 2080 in Strange Brigade at 4k and a RX 590 matches a GTX 1070 on older reviews. Given that Vega 7 is about 5-10% slower than an RTX 2080 overall given very recent reviews by both TPU and techspot, WE ARE LOOKING AT GTX 2060 PERFORMANCE FOR BIG NAVI.

 

[mohit9206]

I think the best thing to do is to assume Navi is going to be slower than Nvidia while costing the same and consuming more power. This way when reviews arrive, no one will be disappointed.

 

[exquisitechar]

As @alcoholbob pointed out, Strange Brigade is VERY AMD friendly. On TPU's latest Turing review, dated April 14th, Vega 7 is a whopping 25% faster than the RTX 2080 in Strange Brigade at 4k and a RX 590 matches a GTX 1070 on older reviews. Given that Vega 7 is about 5-10% slower than an RTX 2080 overall given very recent reviews by both TPU and techspot, WE ARE LOOKING AT GTX 2060 PERFORMANCE FOR BIG NAVI.

No. Navi isn't Vega.

 

[swilli89]

Everyone is glossing over this, but it proves that Navi is overall slower than the RTX 2070.

How does correlating a GCN chip to Navi which is supposed to be a new uArch make any sense?

 

[SPBHM]

if they are getting 10% higher performance in a title and settings of their choosing in isolation (and is "sponsored" by them), it's safe to assume that in reality it's more or less a match for the 2070, which is OK if they price it aggressively, the 2070 was released months ago and has a lot of additional hardware dedicated to RT, I can only see a Navi that performs like this selling well if it's well priced, which I think would need to cost between the 1660 ti and 2060.

also Nvidia should have no trouble coming with price cuts or a "2060 ti" or "2070 ti", so they better price it right.

 

[nurturedhate]

How does correlating a GCN chip to Navi which is supposed to be a new uArch make any sense?

Look at who you quoted, you know the answer.

 

[Glo.]

Everyone is glossing over this, but it proves that Navi is overall slower than the RTX 2070.

So far we haven't seen anything apart from Strange Brigade, we do not know the SKUs even .

And yet you already jumped to conclusion that it is OVERALL slower than RTX 2070 .

Why don't we wait, eh? .

 

[Glo.]

WE ARE LOOKING AT GTX 2060 PERFORMANCE FOR BIG NAVI.

Looking at the die size, AMD would have to achieve performance REGRESSION per clock, not increase as they say, compared to previous generations, for that to be true .

 

[nurturedhate]

Looking at the die size, AMD would have to achieve performance REGRESSION per clock, not increase as they say, compared to previous generations, for that to be true .

Especially considering an 57xx part would imply the cut chip.

 

[Glo.]

Especially considering an 57xx part would imply the cut chip.

Unfortunately, we know zero about the SKUs and core configs. So this is nice speculation, but still speculation, and nothing else, unfortunately.

 

[tviceman]

No. Navi isn't Vega.

And Polaris isn't Vega either, yet it still grossly outperforms in that game too like I said above. AMD hyped up Radeon VII as being as fast as the 2080X, but that was clearly wrong in almost all cases as it's 10% slower across the board. History repeats itself so bad with AMD fanboys. They eat up every little bit of isolated morsels AMD gives prior to independent reviews, and let loose the justifications and what-ifs when independent reviews hit.

The Navi product compared to the RTX 2070 by Su is going to be closer to RTX 2060 performance than RTX 2070 performance. Write it down. Bookmark this page. Come back and visit this post when reviews hit.

 

[nurturedhate]

Unfortunately, we know zero about the SKUs and core configs. So this is nice speculation, but still speculation, and nothing else, unfortunately.

Exactly. Was more so responding through you to the person assuming 2060 for BIG NAVI as they said. Everyone can make assumptions. They are all worthless.

 

[exquisitechar]

And Polaris isn't Vega either, yet it still grossly outperforms in that game too like I said. AMD hyped up Radeon VII as being as fast as the 2080X, but that was clearly wrong in almost all cases as it's 10% slower across the board. History repeats itself so bad with AMD fanboys. They eat up every little bit of isolated morsels AMD gives prior to independent reviews, and let loose the justifications and what-ifs when independent reviews hit.

The Navi product compared to the RTX 2070 by Su is going to be closer to RTX 2060 performance than RTX 2070 performance. Write it down. Bookmark this page. Come back and visit this post when reviews hit.

I will.

 

[tviceman]

I will.

And I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see >= RTX 2070 performance across the board for whatever card AMD intro's in July.