[Rumor, Tweaktown] AMD to launch next-gen Navi graphics cards at E3

[Stuka87]

Cards like the GTX 480, GTX 580 are huge monolithic chips with a high cost of production. They need to be expensive to justify there existent because they need a higher cost to justify their efforts to create and manufacture. Due to how yields work with larger chips, the cost of production for larger chips is not linear with a cost of production of smaller chips. It is improportionally more expensive. The engineering in terms of R and D is also much more difficult. It is why Nvidia has since abandoned until recently again(done when the nod is mature) launching flagship first and selling at volume. The GTX 480 was an example of this and vega to an extent as well.

I am not sure you understand the definition of monolithic. Nearly every modern GPU made in the last 20 years is monolithic (chips with HBM are not considered monolithic).

The fact is, nVidia had the price for the 480 and 580 high already. AMD released a faster GPU, so naturally they would price it higher. Saying AMD is the reason GPU's went up in price is not really correct. And for reference, $500 in 2010 when 580 launched is equivalent to $580 now.

 

[Veradun]

I am not sure you understand the definition of monolithic. Nearly every modern GPU made in the last 20 years is monolithic (chips with HBM are not considered monolithic).

wut?

 

[lobz]

I am not sure you understand the definition of monolithic. Nearly every modern GPU made in the last 20 years is monolithic (chips with HBM are not considered monolithic).

It seems neither of you understands the definition of monolithic in this case.

 

[Glo.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212521281838624774

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212531971861221377

 

[uzzi38]

Still too many conflicting rumors to determine the truth about Navi 21. Some sites say it'll be HBM2, others GDDR6. Some say RDNA v1, others RDNA v2. As Yoda said, hard to see the future is.

They're all reporting off the same rumour, and all appear to be incapable of reading. It pretty clearly says no HBM2, the package ain't right for it. Must be GDDR6.

 

[uzzi38]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212521281838624774

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212531971861221377

Yep, AMD don't like the idea of selling Navi 10 silicon for cheap. It'll make for a great chip in mobile, or if you like to by pre-builts but skip for DIY.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

No thanks at $300 for a 6GB card when RX 5700 isn't hard to find for $330.

 

[Panino Manino]

Looks like 4000 APU will really use Vega.
Is because if AMD put Navi there would cannibalize the low end GPU sales?

 

[lobz]

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Looks like 4000 APU will really use Vega.
Is because if AMD put Navi there would cannibalize the low end GPU sales?

Who knows, but I'm telling you this much: 5500 and 5600 will cannibalize nothing with this braindead pricing.

 

[uzzi38]

Looks like 4000 APU will really use Vega.
Is because if AMD put Navi there would cannibalize the low end GPU sales?

No, because they had other focuses for Renoir. AMD love OEMs, OEMs don't care much for iGPU. OEMs do care about battery life and CPU performance. They also love big marketing points. 8 cores in a thin and light sounds like a great marketing point to me, what do you think?

If you want RDNA1 in APUs, you're out of luck. Wait for RDNA2 APUs instead, there should be one by the end of 2020 (Van Gogh) and the Zen 3 APUs.

 

[uzzi38]

No thanks at $300 for a 6GB card when RX 5700 isn't hard to find for $330.

AMD don't care about the 5600XT, and certainly don't want to sell Navi 10 silicon for any cheaper, not when it's selling so well as the 5700 and 5700XT.

Will make for a great mobile chip though.

 

[lobz]

AMD don't care about the 5600XT, and certainly don't want to sell Navi 10 silicon for any cheaper, not when it's selling so well as the 5700 and 5700XT.

Will make for a great mobile chip though.

But they will still put out stinky marketing around it and I can already feel the vomit in my mouth.

 

[uzzi38]

But they will still put out stinky marketing around it and I can already feel the vomit in my mouth.

Eh, more than the marketing, we'll probably see a lot of OEMs at CES talking about their Renoir with 5500M/5600M/5700M devices and how awesome they are.

(Which they will be)

 

[Glo.]

Especially the laptops with 8 core Renoir, and RX 5600M will be the most interesting.

 

[lifeblood]

Are we sure there is only one 5600? The XT? I know the 5500 is XT only but the 5600 might have two versions.

5600 XT - 2304 SP's, lower clocks than 5700, 192 bit bus with 6GB vram.
5600 - 1920 SP's, lower clocks than 5700,192 bit bus with 6GB vram.

It also would not be unprecedented in AMD's history for the 5600 XT to be a slower Navi 10 chip while the 5600 vanilla is a different Navi 12 chip. They've done similar before.

 

[Glo.]

LifeBlood, If there will be RX 5600 it will have 32 CUs, not 30.

 

[lobz]

Eh, more than the marketing, we'll probably see a lot of OEMs at CES talking about their Renoir with 5500M/5600M/5700M devices and how awesome they are.

(Which they will be)

I meant that specifically to the 5600XT.

Renoir and Navi M don't make me vomit

 

[Head1985]

The fact is, nVidia had the price for the 480 and 580 high already. AMD released a faster GPU, so naturally they would price it higher. Saying AMD is the reason GPU's went up in price is not really correct. And for reference, $500 in 2010 when 580 launched is equivalent to $580 now.

And amd failed.7970 was very bad at launch and midrange nv GTX660TI alias GTX680 crushed it for less.Also this allow NV sell big die not for 500usd like before with GTX480/580, but for 1000usd instead and they keep doing it untill now.If 7970 was lets say 380usd then NV would never ever be able sell midrange die for 500usd and big die for 1000.They would release GTX660TI as GTX660TI and big die as GTX680 and not titan.

GTX660TI alias GTX680 when launched

 

[Head1985]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212521281838624774

https://twitter.com/x/status/1212531971861221377

Yeah pretty much AMD today.Greedy bastards just like Nv.We really need lawsuit against them for price fixing.

 

[uzzi38]

Yeah pretty much AMD today.Greedy bastards like Nv.We really need lawsuit against them for price fixing.

Ah yes, because not offering lower prices must mean they're price fixing.
AMD are done being the cheapo brand, time to get used to it.

 

[Glo.]

Ah yes, because not offering lower prices must mean they're price fixing.
AMD are done being the cheapo brand, time to get used to it.

What will make AMD to lower the prices is... Nvidia lowering them first..

 

[Head1985]

What will make AMD to lower the prices is... Nvidia lowering them first..

And why should nv lower prices?They were first with turing(GTX1660TI and RTX2060 are 1 year old already) and they have like 70-80% market share and AMD dont even trying competing with them(only decent card is 5700xt but even that is overpriced like hell because its just midrange polaris replacement).They just playing along with duopoly.

AMD gpu division should look at cpu division how it works when you are underdog.

 

[Glo.]

And why should nv lower prices?They were first with turing(GTX1660TI and RTX2060 are 1 year old already) and they have like 70-80% market share and AMD dont even trying competing with them(only decent card is 5700xt but even that is overpriced like hell because its just midrange polaris replacement).They just playing along with duopoly.

AMD gpu division should look at cpu division how it works when you are underdog.

Because RX 5600 XT will be within 5-10% of RTX 2060.

I suggest you also look at recent reviews, before you will claim that only RX 5700 is decent. Both 5700 series GPUs are.

And lastly - AMD is no cheap option anymore. Sadly.

 

[lobz]

And amd failed.7970 was very bad at launch and midrange nv GTX660TI alias GTX680 crushed it for less.Also this allow NV sell big die not for 500usd like before with GTX480/580, but for 1000usd instead and they keep doing it untill now.If 7970 was lets say 380usd then NV would never ever be able sell midrange die for 500usd and big die for 1000.They would release GTX660TI as GTX660TI and big die as GTX680 and not titan.

GTX660TI alias GTX680 when launched

You say crushed and then you insert a. picture where we see a less than 8% difference. You may have some valid points but this hysterical hyperdrive stinks from all your posts and makes arguing with you more of a chore and less of an entertaining discussion.

 

[uzzi38]

AMD dont even trying competing with them(only decent card is 5700xt but even that is overpriced like hell because its just midrange polaris replacement).They just playing along with duopoly.

Not a chance in hell AMD were every going to sell Navi 10 for $250. That's borderline delusional.