Rumor: Trump will fire Mueller in 5 days

[Amused]

Actually, Fox isnt heating up this rumor.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...mp-doesnt-need-to-fire-mueller-heres-why.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/12/19/doug-schoen-why-trump-is-smart-to-not-fire-mueller.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-wont-be-fired-by-trump-dispelling-rumor.html

No, they're just claiming he's planning a coup.

Seriously.

The only reason they didn't fuel this one is they are the only network that is literally the propaganda wing for the Trump admin and take marching orders directly from him.

 

[trenchfoot]

Actually, Fox isnt heating up this rumor.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...mp-doesnt-need-to-fire-mueller-heres-why.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/12/19/doug-schoen-why-trump-is-smart-to-not-fire-mueller.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-wont-be-fired-by-trump-dispelling-rumor.html

What's of import here is that FOX is taking their orders directly from GOP Central. If the GOP observes that it needs to ratchet back their propaganda attacks in order to appear neutral, or to deceive and divert or to temporarily throw off suspicion of Trump's (and their) true motives of which I suspect is the case here, then by all means they would do whatever it takes to forward their agenda.

The GOP, as is their habit, want to justify their actions and build support for themselves by first laying out their groundwork via widespread dissemination of rumors and hearsay. They will then gauge what kind of results they get via monitoring public opinion polls and then adjust FOX's programming in order to sway opinion in whichever direction it wants.

FOX and the GOP spin machine that controls it have no interest in dispensing unbiased news and commentary unless it just so happens to help move their agenda forward. They don't want to waste their time and monies with facts and figures that may conflict with their one and only true purpose for having FOX news on air.

From watching FOX for as long as I can stand it (usually a couple of minutes at a time) it's pretty obvious that even to the most casual observer most everything that comes out of that station in one way or another, whether it be blatant or carefully nuanced, carries the message the GOP wants to influence their audience with.

FOX's purpose is not to deliver straight factual unbiased news. There is no political advantage for the GOP from doing that.

The GOP is nothing more than an obedient proxy of the wealthy. FOX is nothing more than a speaker box for same.

 

[Thebobo]

Thanks, but it was great. Spent late Christmas Eve night helping to build a trampoline for grandkids so they'd be surprised on Christmas day. Had a great Christmas with my wife and kids and grandkids with presents, happy conversations and a non-traditional lasagna dinner. Now back to my friends at ATP&N for friendly discussions on politics. What could be better? I hope yours went as well as mine.

I know a few guys just like you and their wives are very smart and totally opposite politically. Dives them nuts which I enjoy to no end hmm wonder...

 

[Moonbeam]

All I know is that my finger is getting sore from clicking Google News to see if he's been fired.

 

[Thebobo]

FOX should just change their name to TNN. (there is no news) With the exception of Shep Smith they are nothing more than a trump mouthpiece. They bring on a paid contributor who floated the idea that the FBI wanted to to murder trump. Un-fucking-believable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/vi...s-fbi-plot-to-assassinate-trump-1120230467524

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So am I supposed to be crying liberal tears because Mueller wasn't fired?

 

[blackangst1]

Fox isn't heating up the rumor Mueller will be fired however they have gone into a full bore assault on Mueller in an attempt to discredit the investigation. This is definitely the closest we have ever gotten to what amounts to a domestic, Pravda type state news network.

I dunno. A search ont heir news site revealed what appears to be legit news stories, with a few opinion pieces thrown in that fall into what youre describing. But I didnt see any kind of pattern.

http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/robert-mueller

 

[blackangst1]

So am I supposed to be crying liberal tears because Mueller wasn't fired?

No not at all. You should be crying liberal tears for liberal news sources pushing the rumor he could be (in spite of the evidence).

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...say-trump-could-fire-mueller-before-christmas
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-fire-mueller-next-week-750432
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...mueller-in-a-christmas-massacre-1121271363594
https://www.thenation.com/article/cornered-and-facing-existential-crisis-will-trump-fire-mueller/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/if-trump-is-going-to-fire-mueller-nows-the-time-right-now/

It seems the left is pushing this...rumor...much more than the right.

 

[Amused]

I dunno. A search ont heir news site revealed what appears to be legit news stories, with a few opinion pieces thrown in that fall into what youre describing. But I didnt see any kind of pattern.

http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/robert-mueller

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...ying-the-us-may-be-facing-a-coup-with-mueller

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/how-fox-is-undermining-the-mueller-investigation.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/19/how-fox-news-cried-coup-over-mueller-investigation

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/opinions/fox-outrage-mueller-opinion-obeidallah/index.html

A lot of journalists have compiled the evidence for you.

Enjoy.

 

[blackangst1]

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...ying-the-us-may-be-facing-a-coup-with-mueller

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/how-fox-is-undermining-the-mueller-investigation.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/19/how-fox-news-cried-coup-over-mueller-investigation

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/opinions/fox-outrage-mueller-opinion-obeidallah/index.html

A lot of journalists have compiled the evidence for you.

Enjoy.

Cool. So its both sides reporting it? Its after Christmas now why hasnt he fired him? And what about all the evidence that Trump WONT fire Meuller? Or doesnt that count?

Trump isnt firing Meuller.

 

[Thebobo]

But he might fire Mueller.

 

[Amused]

Cool. So its both sides reporting it? Its after Christmas now why hasnt he fired him? And what about all the evidence that Trump WONT fire Meuller? Or doesnt that count?

Trump isnt firing Meuller.

Again, you misunderstand. While everyone else in the media debated if Trump was going to fire Mueller, Fox did not. They produced story after story attempting to undermine Mueller and even accused him of staging a Coup. So while all the others were talking about rumors of Trump maybe firing Mueller and debated it, Fox News pushed the completely false and fabricated narrative of why Trump would be justified in doing so.

Now, ask yourself why.

And you'll begin to understand the difference between real journalism and a news outlet that is the propaganda wing of a tyrant.

 

[Jhhnn]

Cool. So its both sides reporting it? Its after Christmas now why hasnt he fired him? And what about all the evidence that Trump WONT fire Meuller? Or doesnt that count?

Trump isnt firing Meuller.

I agree that Mueller won't be fired anytime rsn. He has to be dragged down far enough beforehand to make it seem like a good idea. The GOP is working on it, make no mistake about that.

 

[blackangst1]

Again, you misunderstand. While everyone else in the media debated if Trump was going to fire Mueller, Fox did not. They produced story after story attempting to undermine Mueller and even accused him of staging a Coup. So while all the others were talking about rumors of Trump maybe firing Mueller and debated it, Fox News pushed the completely false and fabricated narrative of why Trump would be justified in doing so.

Now, ask yourself why.

And you'll begin to understand the difference between real journalism and a news outlet that is the propaganda wing of a tyrant.

I agree that Mueller won't be fired anytime rsn. He has to be dragged down far enough beforehand to make it seem like a good idea. The GOP is working on it, make no mistake about that.

I agree Fox news leans to the right, and supports in general a conservative agenda. But so what? Are there not leftist or progressive leaning news sites also? Theres alot of commentary from the left and the right that is straight up batshit crazy. But I dont understand why the tolerant left doesnt understand that although the right has differing beliefs and ways to go about things than they do, it doesnt make it wrong. Its just different. The story of 5 blind men and an elephant comes to mind. You can definitely have multiple viewpoints on an issue, with all being correct. Thats why I consider myself and am registered as an independent. I see both sides more alike than different, but one thing they are is partisan.

 

[Amused]

I agree Fox news leans to the right, and supports in general a conservative agenda. But so what? Are there not leftist or progressive leaning news sites also? Theres alot of commentary from the left and the right that is straight up batshit crazy. But I dont understand why the tolerant left doesnt understand that although the right has differing beliefs and ways to go about things than they do, it doesnt make it wrong. Its just different. The story of 5 blind men and an elephant comes to mind. You can definitely have multiple viewpoints on an issue, with all being correct. Thats why I consider myself and am registered as an independent. I see both sides more alike than different, but one thing they are is partisan.

Um no. This is akin to Trump's "very fine people on both sides" argument.

Only one side in this is solidly, down to it's very base, firmly rooted in conspiratorial thinking and completely, utterly devoid of facts. The entire base is anti-science, alternative fact believers and follow propaganda and ideology over facts.

Yes, there are fringes on the left that do the same. But comparing the small outter fringe to the mainstream is disingenuous to say the least.

The right wing has for its entire base, what used to be fringe mentality.

And that is why it is by far, the greater danger right now.

 

[Thebobo]

I agree Fox news leans to the right, and supports in general a conservative agenda. But so what? Are there not leftist or progressive leaning news sites also? Theres alot of commentary from the left and the right that is straight up batshit crazy. But I dont understand why the tolerant left doesnt understand that although the right has differing beliefs and ways to go about things than they do, it doesnt make it wrong. Its just different. The story of 5 blind men and an elephant comes to mind. You can definitely have multiple viewpoints on an issue, with all being correct. Thats why I consider myself and am registered as an independent. I see both sides more alike than different, but one thing they are is partisan.

I think when the have paid commentators who float the idea that the FBI wanted to kill Trump they are extreme right wing. The morning show and evening hours are just commercials for trump.

There is no prolific opposite news operations like breitbart Infoworld and FoX they are all extreme crazy right wing sites now with the exception of Shep.

 

[blackangst1]

Um no. This is akin to Trump's "very fine people on both sides" argument.

Only one side in this is solidly, down to it's very base, firmly rooted in conspiratorial thinking and completely, utterly devoid of facts. The entire base is anti-science, alternative fact believers and follow propaganda and ideology over facts.

Yes, there are fringes on the left that do the same. But comparing the small outter fringe to the mainstream is disingenuous to say the least.

The right wing has for its entire base, what used to be fringe mentality.

And that is why it is by far, the greater danger right now.

Aaaaaand you just proved my point. ANY side that doesnt see value in the other is a danger right now.That doesnt mean everything on both sides is valuable, because its not. But failure to recognize the value of a differing opinion is dangerous.

This means you.

 

[Amused]

Aaaaaand you just proved my point. ANY side that doesnt see value in the other is a danger right now.That doesnt mean everything on both sides is valuable, because its not. But failure to recognize the value of a differing opinion is dangerous.

This means you.

Misconceptions and false propaganda are not opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

And while saying I proved your point you proved mine. Because you consider blatantly counterfactual misinformation "just another opinion." You also equate a fringe with an entire base.

"Very fine people on both sides." Yeah... no.

 

[fskimospy]

Cool. So its both sides reporting it? Its after Christmas now why hasnt he fired him? And what about all the evidence that Trump WONT fire Meuller? Or doesnt that count?

Trump isnt firing Meuller.

Those sources are reporting what Fox is saying, not reporting it themselves. Surely you can see the large difference between news sites reporting on rumors in the capital that Trump would fire Mueller and a news network functionally working with the president to discredit law enforcement efforts to investigate possible criminal activity within his administration and possibly by the president himself.

One is reporting that turned out not to be true (at least in terms that the rumors turned out not to be true) and the other is an assault on the rule of law itself. I don't see how the two can possibly be equated.

 

[blackangst1]

I think when the have paid commentators who float the idea that the FBI wanted to kill Trump they are extreme right wing. The morning show and evening hours are just commercials for trump.

There is no prolific opposite news operations like breitbart Infoworld and FoX they are all extreme crazy right wing sites now with the exception of Shep.

One guest host started this crazy theory. One.

I think when the have paid commentators who float the idea that the FBI wanted to kill Trump they are extreme right wing. The morning show and evening hours are just commercials for trump.

There is no prolific opposite news operations like breitbart Infoworld and FoX they are all extreme crazy right wing sites now with the exception of Shep.

You mean singularly commentator, right? Kevin Jackson was a guest host that floated that crazy idea. No need to make it more that it really was.

And Breitbart in the same bucket as Fox? LMAO Breitbard is to the right what MSNBC is to the left. Theyre generally crazy. Good for comical commentary though.

 

[blackangst1]

Misconceptions and false propaganda are not opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

And while saying I proved your point you proved mine. Because you consider blatantly counterfactual misinformation "just another opinion." You also equate a fringe with an entire base.

"Very fine people on both sides." Yeah... no.

You need to read about the 5 blind men and an elephant. It'll be good for you.

 

[fskimospy]

And Breitbart in the same bucket as Fox? LMAO Breitbard is to the right what MSNBC is to the left. Theyre generally crazy. Good for comical commentary though.

This has to be a joke, you aren't actually comparing Breitbart to MSNBC, are you? MSNBC is similar to Fox, or at least to what Fox was before Trump got elected. Breitbart is an ultra right propaganda outlet. If you actually think MSNBC and Breitbart occupy mirror ideological space you're viewing things from a very skewed perspective.

 

[Amused]

This has to be a joke, you aren't actually comparing Breitbart to MSNBC, are you? MSNBC is similar to Fox, or at least to what Fox was before Trump got elected. Breitbart is an ultra right propaganda outlet. If you actually think MSNBC and Breitbart occupy mirror ideological space you're viewing things from a very skewed perspective.

Skewed indeed.

By his logic, anti-vaxxers and doctors are equal too.

FFS the false equivalencies are ridiculous here.

 

[jackstar7]

I agree Fox news leans to the right, and supports in general a conservative agenda. But so what? Are there not leftist or progressive leaning news sites also? Theres alot of commentary from the left and the right that is straight up batshit crazy. But I dont understand why the tolerant left doesnt understand that although the right has differing beliefs and ways to go about things than they do, it doesnt make it wrong. Its just different. The story of 5 blind men and an elephant comes to mind. You can definitely have multiple viewpoints on an issue, with all being correct. Thats why I consider myself and am registered as an independent. I see both sides more alike than different, but one thing they are is partisan.

Wow. That is a HARD both sides take there.

And you used "tolerant left."

I mean we smelled troll on you, but you just gave it away, comrade. I hope the rubles are worth it.

 

[Commodus]

You mean singularly commentator, right? Kevin Jackson was a guest host that floated that crazy idea. No need to make it more that it really was.

And Breitbart in the same bucket as Fox? LMAO Breitbard is to the right what MSNBC is to the left. Theyre generally crazy. Good for comical commentary though.

MSNBC is a bastion of accuracy and objectivity compared to Breitbart. Breitbart courts out-and-out lies and racism; Breitbart doesn't even pretend to be anything other than a propaganda wing for not just the hard right, but a bigoted strain of it at that. MSNBC may be strongly opinionated, but it at least adheres to basic standards of journalism and human decency.