Rumor: Trump will fire Mueller in 5 days

[Doc Savage Fan]

Regardless...the optics are horrible here. No doubt there were privileged communications seized.

 

[vi edit]

Regardless...the optics are horrible here. No doubt there were privileged communications seized.

And what privilege is that? He wasn't president at that time.

 

[interchange]

I'm finding it hard to believe that Mueller acted rashly in obtaining emails. I also can't imagine that such a request was carried out without legal counsel. The only rational conclusion is that Mueller & team did not believe there was a 4th amendment conflict. But I'd imagine any actual court case using this evidence would involve a motion on behalf of the defense to suppress the evidence on those grounds.

Hypothetically, though, let's assume that what comes out of the Mueller investigation is a bunch of pleas without any trial and impeachment proceedings against Trump. Thus, no judge will have decided whether the search was unconstitutional. How would that work in impeachment hearings? I'm scared of the idea that Congress could decide this.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

And what privilege is that? He wasn't president at that time.

I'm no lawyer but I don't think that matters.

 

[fskimospy]

Regardless...the optics are horrible here. No doubt there were privileged communications seized.

Why are the optics horrible and why is there no doubt that privileged communications were seized? Even if that turned out to be the case that wouldn't be on Mueller in any way as GSA provided them.

Mueller likely did this because...well... it's pretty obvious that the people he's investigating have a history of lying and of attempting to conceal incriminating information. Since he got the documents from GSA they didn't know he had them and so if they lie about it they're busted. Mueller's a smart cookie.

 

[vi edit]

I'm no lawyer but I don't think that matters.

Sorry to tell you that email sent under an employer is not protected. Even less so when it's state/federal.

 

[Amused]

Regardless...the optics are horrible here. No doubt there were privileged communications seized.

I understand that is the narrative the right wants to create... but that is far removed from reality. About as far removed as Nixon's claims were.

And they'll age about as well too.

You're being duped by your echo chamber. The idea that there is somehow an expectation of privacy while using .gov is not only laughable, but anathema to the very government transparency both sides of the aisle fought so for. The flip-flopping contortions the right is going through right now is nothing short of amazing.

And the all telling thing here is that Trump's legal team has not even tried to file for a court order to quash.

They know they have no legal case.

That's why the spin machine is busy building a narrative.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm finding it hard to believe that Mueller acted rashly in obtaining emails. I also can't imagine that such a request was carried out without legal counsel. The only rational conclusion is that Mueller & team did not believe there was a 4th amendment conflict. But I'd imagine any actual court case using this evidence would involve a motion on behalf of the defense to suppress the evidence on those grounds.

Hypothetically, though, let's assume that what comes out of the Mueller investigation is a bunch of pleas without any trial and impeachment proceedings against Trump. Thus, no judge will have decided whether the search was unconstitutional. How would that work in impeachment hearings? I'm scared of the idea that Congress could decide this.

It's certain he didn't act rashly because all he did was make a standard administrative request of GSA, who has the responsibility of providing what they think was appropriate. Every person who uses GSA devices and networks is notified they have no expectation of privacy and that all communications are monitored and recorded. It's basically like saying if you had a conversation with your lawyer in front of the DA that the DA couldn't use that against you because the conversation was privileged. Of course he can use it against you, he heard it and you knew he would hear it.

 

[Amused]

Meanwhile, I really wonder what's in those Emails?

Seriously.

What could make Trump's legal team act so desperately?

What could fire up the entire propaganda machine to spin so hard?

It's amazing how terribly bad the Trump team would be at poker. They show their collective asses so naively. Easier to read than a comic book.

Mueller is onto something here. Something big. And he's putting all his ducks in a row.

When the shit hits the fan it's going to be devastating.

 

[vi edit]

It's certain he didn't act rashly because all he did was make a standard administrative request of GSA, who has the responsibility of providing what they think was appropriate. Every person who uses GSA devices and networks is notified they have no expectation of privacy and that all communications are monitored and recorded. It's basically like saying if you had a conversation with your lawyer in front of the DA that the DA couldn't use that against you because the conversation was privileged. Of course he can use it against you, he heard it and you knew he would hear it.

There's also cases where employees have emailed their lawyers under their employer emails. The court did not rule that it met client/attorney privilege. Had that employee sent an email under their personal email address it would have been. Emails are property of the employer and basically any and all expectation of privacy is gone. It's even less so in the case of state and federal ones that can be part of public record.

 

[hal2kilo]

There's also cases where employees have emailed their lawyers under their employer emails. The court did not rule that it met client/attorney privilege. Had that employee sent an email under their personal email address it would have been. Emails are property of the employer and basically any and all expectation of privacy is gone. It's even less so in the case of state and federal ones that can be part of public record.

It's like, do you guys making these stupid comments about expectations of privacy in emails, have never actually work in a modern employee environment. Maybe they are self employed selling Amway products or something.

 

[interchange]

Meanwhile, I really wonder what's in those Emails?

Seriously.

What could make Trump's legal team act so desperately?

What could fire up the entire propaganda machine to spin so hard?

It's amazing how terribly bad the Trump team would be at poker. They show their collective asses so naively. Easier to read than a comic book.

Mueller is onto something here. Something big. And he's putting all his ducks in a row.

When the shit hits the fan it's going to be devastating.

Dunno. Trump and Republican media approaches have been to try and discredit all information that comes out regardless of its implication or accuracy of the attack. Even when attacks have been shown to be blatantly inaccurate, their theme of conspiracy against Trump/Republicans (e.g. deep state) sticks. The conspiracy theories often conflict with each other. But if you try to show how they fail to connect, it's easily countered by whataboutism. I don't think that this illegal search propaganda necessarily means that the fruits of the search are all that juicy. For the right, it's not about showing what did or did not happen. It's about building a sense of mistrust for those who are attempting to do so.

Unfortunately, I don't think Trump will be judged in a court of law where these tactics can be at least partially mitigated by procedure.

 

[Amused]

Tell me, why hasn't the Trump legal team filed for a court order to quash?

Why?

I'll be waiting.

Unsurprisingly, I'm still waiting. The Imported failed Trump casino doesn't seem to have an answer.

 

[soundforbjt]

It’s so simple, if it’s illegal file a legal complaint with the court. Don’t write a letter to Congress, are we sure these guys are real lawyers. I know next to nothing about law and I understand this, nobody knew lawyering was so hard, believe me.

 

[fskimospy]

Dunno. Trump and Republican media approaches have been to try and discredit all information that comes out regardless of its implication or accuracy of the attack. Even when attacks have been shown to be blatantly inaccurate, their theme of conspiracy against Trump/Republicans (e.g. deep state) sticks. The conspiracy theories often conflict with each other. But if you try to show how they fail to connect, it's easily countered by whataboutism. I don't think that this illegal search propaganda necessarily means that the fruits of the search are all that juicy. For the right, it's not about showing what did or did not happen. It's about building a sense of mistrust for those who are attempting to do so.

Unfortunately, I don't think Trump will be judged in a court of law where these tactics can be at least partially mitigated by procedure.

I agree that it's part of the larger campaign to discredit Mueller but to me this still indicates that Trump's legal team is worried about the contents of those emails. The most obvious danger being that something in them contradicts statements people made to the FBI and lying to the FBI is a felony.

 

[soundforbjt]

I agree that it's part of the larger campaign to discredit Mueller but to me this still indicates that Trump's legal team is worried about the contents of those emails. The most obvious danger being that something in them contradicts statements people made to the FBI and lying to the FBI is a felony.

I heard that Mueller was using the contents of the emails to check vs their answers given in their testimony.

 

[interchange]

I agree that it's part of the larger campaign to discredit Mueller but to me this still indicates that Trump's legal team is worried about the contents of those emails. The most obvious danger being that something in them contradicts statements people made to the FBI and lying to the FBI is a felony.

Well obviously Mueller has reason to believe the emails contain evidence of crimes that were committed or he wouldn't have requested them.

 

[zinfamous]

I agree that it's part of the larger campaign to discredit Mueller but to me this still indicates that Trump's legal team is worried about the contents of those emails. The most obvious danger being that something in them contradicts statements people made to the FBI and lying to the FBI is a felony.

I'm curious about how Trump's fluffer team here and out in the world would react in a situation where the emails show direct, clear, illegal communications with foreign agents and verified collusion. If what we see are actual crimes.

Would the fluffers then continue to do their best to discredit the process? Would they continue to defend an obvious enemy actor against the US because of the need to play team defense? "It doesn't matter if he's a criminal and compromised the security of this country, the wrong papers were filed!" Yes, I understand that there is still nothing wrong with the procedure of the investigation up to his point, but I'm just wondering at what point they actually abandon the criminal.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Tell me, why hasn't the Trump legal team filed for a court order to quash?

Why?

I'll be waiting.

I don't know, why? Make a guess, pretend you know something, try.

 

[Amused]

I'm curious about how Trump's fluffer team here and out in the world would react in a situation where the emails show direct, clear, illegal communications with foreign agents and verified collusion. If what we see are actual crimes.

Would the fluffers then continue to do their best to discredit the process? Would they continue to defend an obvious enemy actor against the US because of the need to play team defense? "It doesn't matter if he's a criminal and compromised the security of this country, the wrong papers were filed!" Yes, I understand that there is still nothing wrong with the procedure of the investigation up to his point, but I'm just wondering at what point they actually abandon the criminal.

Nixon had some level of integrity. But this group? No. They'll be just like the band playing on the Titanic.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'm trying to figure out how a request to turn over documents that is honored by the willing party, is suddenly illegal because it wasn't done so through a subpoena?

Usually, a subpoena is required if someone is unwilling to turn over information, no? Apparently the transition team was all-too willing to comply. Perhaps the real issue here is that they are all as dumb as we all knew they were?

How would he have known? It's not that tough, if you can, you use a subpoena or get a warrant. Just to cover your bases.

 

[Amused]

I don't know, why? Make a guess, pretend you know something, try.

Dude. Seriously. Just stop. I know it's embarrassing to be duped, and I think the uncomfortable reality that you have has just washed over you. You have two choices now. Admit it, learn from it and move on, or double down on stupid.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Unsurprisingly, I'm still waiting. The Imported failed Trump casino doesn't seem to have an answer.

What? You think 'm sitting on my ass reading this forum, waiting with bated breath what your next fsking post is going to be? Don't kid yourself, I don't give a rat's ass about you.

 

[Amused]

What? You think 'm sitting on my ass reading this forum, waiting with bated breath what your next fsking post is going to be? Don't kid yourself, I don't give a rat's ass about you.

And yet, you still don't have an answer...

 

[brycejones]

What? You think 'm sitting on my ass reading this forum, waiting with bated breath what your next fsking post is going to be? Don't kid yourself, I don't give a rat's ass about you.

tajbot is in fullonflight mode! I'm shucked the programmer implemented the whinelikeabitch function given how many potential useful features were left out of this bot.

Never mind, we've already established tajbot's developer is a really shitty developer so I guess it makes sense.

And notice that tajbot claims to not be waiting with bated breath but responded within 2 minutes......