[Rumor/Speculation] GTX Titan X 12GB vs R9 390X 4GB vs Unknown GM200 GPU

[Cloudfire777]

With recent R9 370 leaks hinting toward a much more efficient architecture than previous 200X cards, the competition is alive and kicking.

Here is recent leak in 4K, 1600p and power consumption. Take it with some salt.
Posted today.

Per forum rules, you need to provide a verifiable source for these charts, and state that source in the thread subject.
-- stahlhart

 

[railven]

Some salt? This is lethal amounts of salt!

Here is hoping for reasonably priced 390x/Cut_down_GM200.

 

[AtenRa]

I want that GM200 cut down version performance from AMD or NV at or less than $300 and im sold.

 

[railven]

I want that GM200 cut down version performance from AMD or NV at or less than $300 and im sold.

Figured an APU is all you needed

 

[Cloudfire777]

@Stahlhart: Source is the internet. Nobody owns the right of these charts. Atleast not anyone that will care

 

[AtenRa]

Figured an APU is all you needed

Yea, I will CF those two

Seriously, my HD7950 @ 1GHz is waiting to be upgraded for a long time. It is the first time i havent upgraded my GPU for more than a year.

 

[Udgnim]

who exactly is fortunate enough to have access to a Titan X, R9 390X, and a cut down GM200?

 

[DownTheSky]

who exactly is fortunate enough to have access to a Titan X, R9 390X, and a cut down GM200?

Some GFX man who sells from both GPU companies.

 

[exar333]

who exactly is fortunate enough to have access to a Titan X, R9 390X, and a cut down GM200?

Well, the cats out of the bag. It is me.....:'(

Seriously though, interesting if true. I wonder where the source is for this? A cut-down GM200 isn't too hard to believe as the product is probably already designed/decided on, except for clock and memory speeds.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Thanks for sharing but i'm a bit skeptical

We will know how accurate this is since some sites have Titan X in their lab as we speak

 

[stahlhart]

@Stahlhart: Source is the internet. Nobody owns the right of these charts. Atleast not anyone that will care

In which case, this information is only rumor/speculation, and your thread title needs to state that explicitly.
-- stahlhart

 

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Thanks for sharing but i'm a bit skeptical

We will know how accurate this is since some sites have Titan X in their lab as we speak

People don't lie on the internet!

 

[ShintaiDK]

Numbers looks simulated...again.

 

[wand3r3r]

I simply don't believe anyone has those three gpus in hand, or if they did they wouldn't publish them anonymously to some random place which cloudfire won't even link to.

 

[alcoholbob]

You can tell easily that these are fake. First of all it claims performance on all cards is faster at 4k than 1600p. The other obvious fake is the framerates are too high at either 4k or 1600p to be the maximum setting unless they were testing games from 2005.

 

[Silverforce11]

You can tell easily that these are fake. First of all it claims performance on all cards is faster at 4k than 1600p. The other obvious fake is the framerates are too high at either 4k or 1600p to be the maximum setting unless they were testing games from 2005.

It's relative performance % to the R290X which is used as the default basis (100%).

 

[.vodka]

If this turns out to be true, what a reversal! 390x gaining the lead at only 1000 MHz... with the titan at 1180 MHz, I don't think it'll be able to go much higher without getting too power hungry (those 50w below the 390x will be eaten pretty quicky if overvolting is needed).

The only thing the titan has going for it then (apart from CUDA support and whatever DP performance it's supposed to have, that you already have at your disposal in AMD's offerings), is the 12GB vram. The 6GB cut down version is overkill for that matter right now.. but then I don't think 4GB will last for long at this rate if you game at >1080p... It's something to take into account.

 

[xthetenth]

It's relative performance % to the R290X which is used as the default basis (100%).

Looking at the obvious knowns the scaling looks about right, with the 280X falling off harder than the 285X, and the low memory cards in general not taking the jump well. So at least from that perspective it isn't definitely an obvious fake.

 

[Silverforce11]

I'm still worried its 4GB, looks awfully low up there among all the other high-grunt GPUs. Definitely going to be a major bottleneck for multi-GPU at 4K.

ps. Missed the G** 3GB below the 780! Must be a 3rd tier GM204 SKU, without the silly vram segmentation!

 

[amenx]

ps. Missed the G** 3GB below the 780! Must be a 3rd tier GM204 SKU, without the silly vram segmentation!

192-bit 960ti?

 

[RussianSensation]

Numbers looks simulated...again.

Everything from power usage to performance of all existing cards is remarkably accurate. 980 leading 290X by 8% at 4K, 295X2 beating 970 SLI at 4K, 290 beating Titan, 280X beating 770 -- essentially a mirror image of TechPowerUp. The delta between 980 and 290X as well as between 290X and 970 is very close to what peofessional sites like ComputerBase, TPU have.

There are 3 things to talk about:

1) These charts do not include a slew of GW games coming out in the next 6 months. Given the close performance of Titan X and Fiji XT, I could easily see Titan X gaining an upper hand due to GW optimization bias towards NV. Witcher 3, Project Cars, Batman AK, GTA V, etc. that's a lot of games that are probably going to favour Maxwell out of the box due to NV GW's code.

2) Without a doubt NV will not allow AMD to get the performance crown that easily if Titan X is that close to Fiji XT. If things play out this way, we should expect a consumer Ti card based on Titan X but with after-market coolers like MSI Lightning and ASUS Matrix versions. These should allow the full consumer GM200 version to overtake Fiji given how well Maxwell scales with clocks. As many mentioned, the Titan X's blower cooler will not allow to extract maximum performance out of GM200. NV can just work with AIBs to sell a full GM200 open air cooled 275W card like EVGA Classified to get the performance crown back.

3) OC vs. OC performance is an unknown. If Fiji is a 550mm2 dense chip, it will be unlikely given the history of AMD's design for it to have huge OCing headroom. OTOH, 1179mhz for the Titan X chip seems rather low. I think MSI Lightning version with that chip could click 1.4-1.5Ghz. If Fiji only overclocks 15-20% like 290X, GM200 has a strong shot of winning. If the 2 cards are close OC vs. OC, 6GB of VRAM is a nice bonus. Price will determine the winner then.

However, right now things look extremely promising for AMD if these benches are true. If the card is priced at $649 or below, it sounds like a huge winner since it's essentially 970 SLI performance in a 289W power envelope without SLI scaling issues! That's a smoking hot deal at $650. The Titan X won't be $649 so even at $649 this version of Fiji with THAT performance will sell well.

As I have been saying since day 1 of 980's launch, those who skipped the mid-range $550-600 980 will be truly rewarded ....it's just too bad NV got so many people to pay $550+ for a mid-range chip for 2nd gen in a row when all the signs were there that 980 was a stop-gap 'fake' next gen flagship. If I had 980(s) right now I would be getting ready to sell them in a matter of months before losing a ton of resale value. Competition FTW!

 

[ShintaiDK]

Of course. They copied from some other site and simulated the rest based on that without whatever rumours/hopes they have.

But a 289W Fiji XT wouldnt need a hybrid cooling solution that would scare 90% of the buyers away.

There isnt even a source for these charts. So why we even discuss it is a mystery.

 

[exar333]

Everything from power usage to performance of all existing cards is remarkably accurate. 980 leading 290X by 8% at 4K, 295X2 beating 970 SLI at 4K, 290 beating Titan, 280X beating 770 -- essentially a mirror image of TechPowerUp. The delta between 980 and 290X as well as between 290X and 970 is very close to what peofessional sites like ComputerBase, TPU have.

There are 3 things to talk about:

1) These charts do not include a slew of GW games coming out in the next 6 months. Given the close performance of Titan X and Fiji XT, I could easily see Titan X gaining an upper hand due to GW optimization bias towards NV. Witcher 3, Project Cars, Batman AK, GTA V, etc. that's a lot of games that are probably going to favour Maxwell out of the box due to NV GW's code.

2) Without a doubt NV will not allow AMD to get the performance crown that easily if Titan X is that close to Fiji XT. If things play out this way, we should expect a consumer Ti card based on Titan X but with after-market coolers like MSI Lightning and ASUS Matrix versions. These should allow the full consumer GM200 version to overtake Fiji given how well Maxwell scales with clocks. As many mentioned, the Titan X's blower cooler will not allow to extract maximum performance out of GM200. NV can just work with AIBs to sell a full GM200 open air cooled 275W card like EVGA Classified to get the performance crown back.

3) OC vs. OC performance is an unknown. If Fiji is a 550mm2 dense chip, it will be unlikely given the history of AMD's design for it to have huge OCing headroom. OTOH, 1179mhz for the Titan X chip seems rather low. I think MSI Lightning version with that chip could click 1.4-1.5Ghz. If Fiji only overclocks 15-20% like 290X, GM200 has a strong shot of winning. If the 2 cards are close OC vs. OC, 6GB of VRAM is a nice bonus. Price will determine the winner then.

However, right now things look extremely promising for AMD if these benches are true. If the card is priced at $649 or below, it sounds like a huge winner since it's essentially 970 SLI performance in a 289W power envelope without SLI scaling issues! That's a smoking hot deal at $650. The Titan X won't be $649 so even at $649 this version of Fiji with THAT performance will sell well.

As I have been saying since day 1 of 980's launch, those who skipped the mid-range $550-600 980 will be truly rewarded ....it's just too bad NV got so many people to pay $550+ for a mid-range chip for 2nd gen in a row when all the signs were there that 980 was a stop-gap 'fake' next gen flagship. If I had 980(s) right now I would be getting ready to sell them in a matter of months before losing a ton of resale value. Competition FTW!

Good analysis here.

This is what I have been thinking as well, and maybe helps support this graph as true. NV surely has the 980Ti all spec'd out, minus the clock speeds. This is their 'ace in the hole' against the 390X for sure. They will be as conservative or aggressive with the default clock (and therefore power/heat) to get 5% above the 390X here, if they can.

If the information about the 390X having a water-cooling are accurate, it is very likely overclocking on 390X may be limited based on cooling abilities and NV likely has more flexibility here vs AMD.

Interesting stuff. The next month should be exciting for GPUs.

My rig is just waiting for one of these cards to play TW3 in June. Unless Titan is REDICULOUSLY faster than 390X, the 390X may be my next card.

 

[exar333]

Of course. They copied from some other site and simulated the rest based on that.

But a 289W Fiji XT wouldnt need a hybrid cooling solution that would scare 90% of the buyers away.

There isnt even a source for these charts.

Definitely agree.

Others here have supported the hybrid approach, but I think that's more of a niche cooling method. I don't think that's a good way to go for reference models...

For me, I am fine with it as I wouldn't use it anyway. As long as it doesn't add a lot to the card's cost, I will just be putting it on water anyway.

 

[Silverforce11]

But a 289W Fiji XT wouldnt need a hybrid cooling solution that would scare 90% of the buyers away.

Need? No, you can have custom air cooling that works just fine for that. But a reference blower? Hardly fine, on Titan Black even the impressive NV blower struggles to keep it cool and its definitely not quiet. It'll also leave little noise/thermal room for OCs.

Seeing the awesome performance of the R295X2 cooler would have given AMD a lot of incentive to go water as reference, particularly since Asetek (Cooler Master modified) supplies them quite cheap en-mass.

AMD copped major flak for the horrible reference cooler performance for many generations now. It really IS time for them to fix that.

ps. The pricetag alone would scare away 90% of buyers. ;P The remaining 10% who can actually afford premium enthusiast GPUs, I doubt they would worry about a 120mm radiator.