[rumor] GTX660ti in August, basically a gimped GTX670

[GodisanAtheist]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-...h-august-based-gk104-architecture-priced-299/

Probably more hot air, but it does explain why Nvidia has been dragging its ass getting mid-range GTX6xx series out the door: they didn't really have anything good to match up against the downwardly priced 7950 or the 7870. The GK107 is just too damn slow and no amount of clock speed adjustment would make it competitive.

And so a third GK104 sku.

I am patiently waiting for their $200 dollar part.

 

[BD231]

What's the point of waiting for their $200 dollar part? It'll be gimped and we're already close to seven months since the release of the 7970 which means new parts will be here soon.

660 will offer performance we've had available for years but cost more, seems like a waste.

 

[tviceman]

To add to this, new rumors suggest that GK106 will be 5/8 SMX's that make up GK104. The original rumor said GK106 would have 4 SMX's. 5 SMX's sounds better, but given that GK107 is 2 SMX's, the pattern suggests that GK106 will be 4, and not 5.

 

[digitaldurandal]

If you are waiting on a 200 dollar part from Nvidia I think you are making a mistake not grabbing a 570 on sale now. The 6xx series 200 dollar part will almost definitely be slower.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

High end, Second best, and Mid-Range all from the same die.

CA-CHING, maximum profits.

 

[f1sherman]

If you are waiting on a 200 dollar part from Nvidia I think you are making a mistake not grabbing a 570 on sale now. The 6xx series 200 dollar part will almost definitely be slower.

IMHO that's where $200 part will settle eventually(GTX 570), but you'll get more vram and all the new goodies.

Waiting game is always a good and a bad thing,
and it doesn't stop even when new GPUs are out.

You can always wait for a better model.

 

[amenx]

Would be cool if the performance difference of 660 vs 670 is similar to 670 vs 680.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Waiting for those $200 gtx 670's. Yes I'm serious.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Would be cool if the performance difference of 660 vs 670 is similar to 670 vs 680.

It will. It's the same GK104.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Waiting for those $200 gtx 670's. Yes I'm serious.

Same here. Maybe not at that price, but I really need at least a 670 to make an upgrade over my 5850 worth it. I'd prefer not to spend more than $300 on a graphics card, so I imagine I'll be waiting a while.

"Overall, the GTX 660Ti would be faster than GTX 580 and competitors from AMD’s GCN based 7800 series. Pricing for this part would be set at an MSRP of $299, custom models would cost more."

If that's true then a 660ti would be the card for me.

 

[lehtv]

Seems to me that a $280AR 7870 2GB would be a serious upgrade over 5850 1GB

 

[Ventanni]

That's a good price for a 7870.

 

[toyota]

Seems to me that a $280AR 7870 2GB would be a serious upgrade over 5850 1GB

funny that even at $280 after rebate thats still more than the 5850 even launched at 2.5 years ago. so you pay more now to get a 50-60% increase over a 2.5 year old card. thats not really all that impressive but its better than the absolute rip off $350 release price for the 7870.

 

[AtenRa]

As i have said so many times, 2012 is the worst year for GPU upgrades in the last 3-4 years. We should of had a GTX580 performance card for $250 at 28nm but it seams that will be for next year.

 

[Silverforce11]

As i have said so many times, 2012 is the worst year for GPU upgrades in the last 3-4 years. We should of had a GTX580 performance card for $250 at 28nm but it seams that will be for next year.

Protip: We already did, since 28nm launch.

It's the 7850, with a modest OC. If u push it harder, it exceeds 580 for $250. At 1/2 the power.

 

[AtenRa]

Protip: We already did, since 28nm launch.

It's the 7850, with a modest OC. If u push it harder, it exceeds 580 for $250. At 1/2 the power.

Im talking about default clocks. I could say that my HD6950 if unlocked and OCed could catch up the GTX580 and that was a year and half ago.

We were supposed to have a GTX670 performance/power card at $250 with the transition to 28nm.

 

[Skurge]

funny that even at $280 after rebate thats still more than the 5850 even launched at 2.5 years ago. so you pay more now to get a 50-60% increase over a 2.5 year old card. thats not really all that impressive but its better than the absolute rip off $350 release price for the 7870.

It more than 50-60%, I don't think it's a bad upgrade.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/512?vs=548

OC that bad boy another 200Mhz and it should be close to twice as fast.

 

[Silverforce11]

Im talking about default clocks. I could say that my HD6950 if unlocked and OCed could catch up the GTX580 and that was a year and half ago.

We were supposed to have a GTX670 performance/power card at $250 with the transition to 28nm.

Except the 6950 unlocked and OC couldn't catch up to the 580 because it doesn't scale that good with clock speed, and even if you could push it >1ghz, its power use would be insanely high.

No, we were supposed to have a 580 performance at half the power use at half the price with a full node jump, if its perfect.

7850 is just that, but not perfect since it requires some manual OC. It's a special case because not in recent history did you have a card that could do 40-45% OC with its default air cooler.

 

[Skurge]

Except the 6950 unlocked and OC couldn't catch up to the 580 because it doesn't scale that good with clock speed, and even if you could push it >1ghz, its power use would be insanely high.

No, we were supposed to have a 580 performance at half the power use at half the price with a full node jump, if its perfect.

7850 is just that, but not perfect since it requires some manual OC. It's a special case because not in recent history did you have a card that could do 40-45% OC with its default air cooler.

I'm not sure you can get a 40%+ OC on the "default" cooler. The reference AMD cooler is pretty crappy.

 

[Silverforce11]

The default cooler is whats on many cards, asus, gigabyte, msi, sapphire, powercolor etc. Hard to find complete reference AMD designs on these cards and the price of these "custom referenced" cards are ~250.

 

[AtenRa]

Except the 6950 unlocked and OC couldn't catch up to the 580 because it doesn't scale that good with clock speed, and even if you could push it >1ghz, its power use would be insanely high.

No, we were supposed to have a 580 performance at half the power use at half the price with a full node jump, if its perfect.

7850 is just that, but not perfect since it requires some manual OC. It's a special case because not in recent history did you have a card that could do 40-45% OC with its default air cooler.

There are games that an OCed HD6970(6950 unlocked) will have the same or marginally better performance than a Stock GTX580.

The HD78xx was supposed to be in the $150-170 market and bellow.

One more thing, I dont suppose you will recommend me to upgrade to HD7850 from HD6950 do you ??? But if HD7950/GTX670 were at $250 you would

 

[Lonyo]

High end, Second best, and Mid-Range all from the same die.

CA-CHING, maximum profits.

Not necessarily.
If it meant maximum profits, you would see it done on a regular basis.
Normally third level cards are limited runs using up scrappy dies, which does result in more profits, since you're using bad chips, but if this is their long term third level card, it wouldn't be maximum profits, based on the history of no company in recent history releasing third level cards based on a cut down die.

Things like the 560-448, HD5830 etc were all limited production products.
I would assume if your yields were bad enough to have enough dies for a midrange/mainstream part wioth sufficient volume, there would be profit issues from having the poor yields in the first place.

If it is a cut down GTX680 die, then previous products indicate it would be a limited run product, and not the full midrange release from NV.

 

[Silverforce11]

One more thing, I dont suppose you will recommend me to upgrade to HD7850 from HD6950 do you ??? But if HD7950/GTX670 were at $250 you would

Except now we're talking about subjectives and what ifs.

I was merely pointing out that prior to 28nm, ppl with high expectations wanted: 580 performance, half the power use, half the price (~250). The expectation has been met but u have to do an easy mild OC (im not talking about pushing it to >1.2ghz).

 

[Silverforce11]

Not necessarily.
If it meant maximum profits, you would see it done on a regular basis.
Normally third level cards are limited runs using up scrappy dies, which does result in more profits, since you're using bad chips, but if this is their long term third level card, it wouldn't be maximum profits, based on the history of no company in recent history releasing third level cards based on a cut down die.

Things like the 560-448, HD5830 etc were all limited production products.
I would assume if your yields were bad enough to have enough dies for a midrange/mainstream part wioth sufficient volume, there would be profit issues from having the poor yields in the first place.

If it is a cut down GTX680 die, then previous products indicate it would be a limited run product, and not the full midrange release from NV.

It just means NV has more crap bins on TSMC's production than they are expecting... combined with poor yields, why not put those lower tier bins to good use?? So its not necessarily bad or good (maximizing profits), the good scenario is to have all good dies of perfect yields. <- this point is clearly missed by ppl who have a rose-colored glass on when it comes to NV.

 

[AtenRa]

Except now we're talking about subjectives and what ifs.

I was merely pointing out that prior to 28nm, ppl with high expectations wanted: 580 performance, half the power use, half the price (~250). The expectation has been met but u have to do an easy mild OC (im not talking about pushing it to >1.2ghz).

But the upgrade path is what im talking about. You dont have anything to recommend me at $250 to upgrade my HD6950 that i have for over a year now.

An HD7850 will not provide a substantial performance increase over the HD6950 to justify an upgrade path.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/510?vs=549