[Rumor]GTX 980Ti to launch somewhere between May 16-26th

[swilli89]

Umm, if AMD release 390\x faster than Titan ~ 10%,(I know its a stretch), but with only 4GB of VRAM, then yes, Titan will still be better.

Um.. What? When did that kind double speak convince people to not argue with a statement like that! You are effectively is saying "just because its better doesn't mean its better"?

Faster IS better. No way to rationalize around that fact my friend. How can you argue about some hypothetical situation in the future needing more RAM DESPITE an all new, faster kind of ram and new memory compression techniques that we don't know the effects of yet? Its possible the 390x and whatever it is competing again to run out of steam at 4k with advanced anti aliasing before hitting a wall in their RAM size.

I don't mean to offend but you are presenting a fact that's rife with bad logic. Your rationale has been tainted with consumer bias and forum group-think unfortunately.

 

[XiandreX]

Um.. What? When did that kind double speak convince people to not argue with a statement like that! You are effectively is saying "just because its better doesn't mean its better"?

Faster IS better. No way to rationalize around that fact my friend. How can you argue about some hypothetical situation in the future needing more RAM DESPITE an all new, faster kind of ram and new memory compression techniques that we don't know the effects of yet? Its possible the 390x and whatever it is competing again to run out of steam at 4k with advanced anti aliasing before hitting a wall in their RAM size.

I don't mean to offend but you are presenting a fact that's rife with bad logic. Your rationale has been tainted with consumer bias and forum group-think unfortunately.

I think what he means is that overall considering video memory usage now and going forward, the Titan X will be the better overall card.
His statement was not worded correctly though.

 

[swilli89]

I think what he means is that overall considering video memory usage now and going forward, the Titan X will be the better overall card.
His statement was not worded correctly though.

Yeah I understand his claim but A) It was presented as a fact and B) I think present performance is more important than future performance.

People like to discredit one brand or another based on "future" performance. How many times must we reach consensus that people buying $500 and up cards are after the top current performance. Sure, there are outliers and misinformed consumers who save for three years to buy high end but the majority of high end buyers have the funds to upgrade frequently, thus negating a future value proposition.

Now, if we were debating two cards that were to be released today in the $200 range one with 2gb and one with 4gb I would understand. Shoppers in this price range are more compromised in what they can purchase so I think it speaks to reason that they are after a longer term value.

Still, since the very early days of GPU, ram limitations that each camp argued about are USUALLY constrained to one or two specific titles with only certain settings. I think it far wiser to purchase best in class performance for every price range for today's games.

 

[guskline]

Since the OP started this thread talking about the imminent release of the GTX980TI, not the TitanX, I'll try to keep my comments related to the GTX980TI, not the TitanX.

Sounds like Nvidia knows that the R9 390X will be a powerful card. I agree that 4G Vram, even if it is a revolutionary type of ram HBM, is still perceived as 4G. Hard to make the argument that it is equivalent to 12 G DDR5, though it will be interesting to see the matchup.

Where Nvidia really has an advantage which I'm sure they will push in marketing is the ability to release a 6G DDR5 GTX980TI and price match if not undercut the highest price R9 390x. That will be the battle royale.

Personally with 2 R9 290s in CF under water and from the info knowing that HBM2 is @ a year away, my best path is to skip this new generation of cards (TitanX, GTX980TI and R9 390X) and wait for the release of the HBM2 cards by both sides.

Sure my cards use more power, but at 2560 x 1440 I'm most likely still slightly ahead of a single TitanX. I doubt the GTX980TI would be better, just less expensive (hard to call a card at @ $600 to $800 "cheaper"!)

If I had a 4k monitor, perhaps the decision might be tougher, though some posters claim you need 2 TitanX's at that resolution to game at higher fps. Will the same comments appear after the release of the GTX980TI?

Bottomline? Nice to see this upward push by both camps.

 

[Headfoot]

All that remains to be seen now is price. I really hope the 980 Ti isnt $800...

 

[Innokentij]

Hmm gonna have to think of selling my 780 TI for the 980 TI and cry again when 1000 TI comes out and 980 TI is gimped by nvidia trough drivers. Atleast AMD cards dont get gimped by drivers since they get 1 every 160 day or something

 

[Erenhardt]

So it is going to be 5+1GB card?
1 of 6 memory controllers will have indirect access for shaders.

 

[Enigmoid]

So it is going to be 5+1GB card?
1 of 6 memory controllers will have indirect access for shaders.

The two are independent. Shaders and L2/ROPS/memory IO are deactivated separately.

 

[Keysplayr]

So it is going to be 5+1GB card?
1 of 6 memory controllers will have indirect access for shaders.

Pretty sure GTX970 was a one trick pony Erenhardt. But you can go right ahead and get this momentum going if you must.

 

[jackstar7]

Pretty sure GTX970 was a one trick pony Erenhardt. But you can go right ahead and get this momentum going if you must.

One trick pony?

I think you meant to use the idiom one-off.


As for whether the 980ti will follow suit, nV made everyone wary with their practices regarding the 970, so they deserve the skepticism they'll get on future products.

 

[utahraptor]

Pretty sure GTX970 was a one trick pony Erenhardt. But you can go right ahead and get this momentum going if you must.

They did something similar for certain 600 series cards:

The upshot here is that while this is the first time NVIDIA has used this specific ROP/MC configuration in a product, this is not the first product they have designed with segmented or otherwise unbalanced memory configurations. Since the GTX 500 series, on some midrange SKUs NVIDIA has used unbalanced/asymmetrical memory configurations, most recently on the GTX 660 and GTX 660 Ti. In the case of both of those cards, NVIDIA utilized a 192-bit memory bus with 2GB of VRAM attached, which meant that some memory controllers had more VRAM attached to them than others. The end result as it turns out is very similar, and while NVIDIA has never explained in-depth how they handle memory allocation on those cards, it turns out that it’s very similar to GTX 970’s memory segmentation. Which is to say that NVIDIA actually has multiple generations of experience with segmented memory, and this is not the first time they have implemented it. Rather this is first time we’ve seen such a configuration on a high-performance card such as the GTX 970.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/...cting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation/2

 

[Enigmoid]

In reality that was far different. The IMC was fully enabled with no parts fused off. Furthermore, the alternative was significantly worse (a 660/660 ti with 1.5 GB). Access was also different as it was a 64 bit interface to two stacks of 512 MB and a 64 bit interface to 1 GB of ram.

 

[Grooveriding]

In this case won't it be 750MB of VRAM that is crippled if there are disabled units on the 980ti ?

 

[Enigmoid]

In this case won't it be 750MB of VRAM that is crippled if there are disabled units on the 980ti ?

If its the same deactivated unit as shown in the diagram (single L2 slice) then it will be the same 0.5 GB crippled as the same amount of vram will be connected to each 32 bit controller (980 - 4 GB on 256 bit interface, 980 ti - 6 GB on 384 bit interface).

 

[MrK6]

They did something similar for certain 600 series cards:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/...cting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation/2

Yeah they've done it on a couple lower-end series. This was the first time they had the gross oversight (or blatant disregard for their customers and brand) to do it on a high-end part.

 

[xthetenth]

Yeah they've done it on a couple lower-end series. This was the first time they had the gross oversight (or blatant disregard for their customers and brand) to do it on a high-end part.

They also had the common courtesy to actually say they were doing it, rather than lie and obscure that they did it.

 

[Majcric]

I had high hopes that Nvidia was going to give us the full chip for 980tito go with that nice premium price. Wishfully thinking I know. Now It leaves me wondering if both the ROPS and Vram have been touched as in chopped down.

I need an upgrade as my old 680 is really long in the tooth at 1440p. I was looking at you Ti but now I'm scratching my head a bit