Rule britannia

[RabidMongoose]

So basically you are saying that the Icelandic Altingi was the first form of democratic parliament?

And yet it wasn't democratic, just a representation of members of the commonwealth...

I don't know if you are joking or if you are just unaware of Icelandic history.

Not the first, but the oldest currently existing Parliament. Learn to read. The UK owes its entire system to innovators like the Icelandic.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Neither am I. After all our refinement of your common law has created a sustained world superpower that has accomplished some of the greatest feats in history. Your refinement of your own law lost you your superpower status a long time ago. Obama put it nicely, the US is an indispensable nation to most of the world. Our President's mere State of the Union speech headlines foreign newspapers. Can the UK say anything equivalent?

The UK is basically a vassal state of the US now, so they can't really say much.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Neither am I. After all our refinement of your common law has created a sustained world superpower that has accomplished some of the greatest feats in history. Your refinement of your own law lost you your superpower status a long time ago. Obama put it nicely, the US is an indispensable nation to most of the world. Our President's mere State of the Union speech headlines foreign newspapers. Can the UK say anything equivalent?

If that is what you have learned in "American history" classes i can't really change your mind on the matter, i'm aware that this is what most Americans are taught and believe, it's not true though, not in the least.

But we didn't actually lose any power, we just gave it back because it was too costly to sustain, something the US is starting to learn now.

The US is a great nation, you'll get no argument from me there.

 

[RabidMongoose]

But we didn't actually lose any power, we just gave it back because it was too costly to sustain,

I guess that's an easy way to say that you were defeated and forced to surrender your slave-states.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Not the first, but the oldest currently existing Parliament. Learn to read. The UK owes its entire system to innovators like the Icelandic.

And if you could read you'd know that the western world isn't based on having a parliament that is ruled by dictators from different parts of the land, it's based on parliamentary democracy and it was first instituted by the UK, spread to EVERY other western nation from there and that includes Iceland.

Naturally, you don't understand basic terms like democracy, how could you given that you want to wage war on democracies and defend dictatorships every chance you get.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I guess that's an easy way to say that you were defeated and forced to surrender your slave-states.

I'm sure your opinion, however untruthful it is, is important to you and your mother.

 

[RabidMongoose]

And if you could read you'd know that the western world isn't based on having a parliament that is ruled by dictators from different parts of the land, it's based on parliamentary democracy and it was first instituted by the UK, spread to EVERY other western nation from there and that includes Iceland.

Naturally, you don't understand basic terms like democracy, how could you given that you want to wage war on democracies and defend dictatorships every chance you get.

The UK is based off of a system that Icelandic and others innovated. So how can the western world be based off the UK when the UK itself was based off of someone else?

Naturally, you're wrong, but the Icelandic people say that you are welcome.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'm sure your opinion, however untruthful it is, is important to you and your mother.

It's important to the entire world. The British were defeated. They did not give up their slave-states through mere benevolence. You can keep thinking that the UK just gave everything up for world peace, but you would just be ignorant and naive.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The UK is based off of a system that Icelandic and others innovated. So how can the western world be based off the UK when the UK itself was based off of someone else?

Naturally, you're wrong, but the Icelandic people say that you are welcome.

No, not as a Monarchy, not as a democracy and a parliament that isn't democratic isn't something a democratic parliament is based upon.

Naturally, you know this, you're just too daft to admit it even though it is extremely obvious.

I'd respect you more if you weren't so hellbent on doing your best to be stupider than you are so you can fit the square peg into the round hole.

EVERYONE gets the difference between a parliament ruled by dictators ruling different parts of a commonwealth and a parliamentary democracy, even you get that.

It's like saying that the first nation to have a ruler was in the area of Uganda and thus that is where democracy with an elected ruler comes from... it's just daft.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's important to the entire world. The British were defeated. They did not give up their slave-states through mere benevolence. You can keep thinking that the UK just gave everything up for world peace, but you would just be ignorant and naive.

Well, it's not true, but hey, it's not like you EVER cared about the truth, is it?

 

[Craig234]

Two things here. Britain was a monstrous colonizer, and for all the ugly warts of this process, I believe it was a net gain for the world.

The second thing is Britain glided from empire to mere major power very gracefully, and I think the US could learn a few things from this. What we do in the next 20 years could determine whether we become a shell of our former selves or a maintain a strong and dynamic power in a world where others have risen. If we retreat into ourselves, like many economic isolationists want, we will fall by the wayside while the rest of the world passes us by. As the world shift from unipolarity to a more multipolar paradigm over the next couple decades, our gameplan better be politically feasible.

I agree along with the horrors there was a lot of good that came from Britain as well.

Thing is, I'm not in agreement to use words like 'net benefit' by weighing the lives of millions of people as something to say 'worth it for the benefit'.

I'll simply say both things happened.

I think you overstate how 'smooth' the transition was - but it could have been a lot worse, and Britain came to do well at not having empire.

There are two issues here - one is being a powerful nation (and every nation would like that), the other is being a moral nation.

These are tricky issues, separating the positive things from the selfish and harmful.

 

[RabidMongoose]

No, not as a Monarchy, not as a democracy and a parliament that isn't democratic isn't something a democratic parliament is based upon.

Naturally, you know this, you're just too daft to admit it even though it is extremely obvious.

I'd respect you more if you weren't so hellbent on doing your best to be stupider than you are so you can fit the square peg into the round hole.

EVERYONE gets the difference between a parliament ruled by dictators ruling different parts of a commonwealth and a parliamentary democracy, even you get that.

It's like saying that the first nation to have a ruler was in the area of Uganda and thus that is where democracy with an elected ruler comes from... it's just daft.

It was a parliament and pre-dated the UK one. The UK owes so much to Iceland in this respect.

I suggest you read up on this stuff.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well, it's not true, but hey, it's not like you EVER cared about the truth, is it?

Of course it's true. Even others here acknowledge it. The UK's loss of its slave-states was rooted in defeat, not benevolence. Do you actually think that the British, who killed more people in the world than any other group in history, suddenly become so benevolent so as to give up their slave-states without any type of fight? Of course not.

The UK was defeated all over the world.

You should really read up on this stuff.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It was a parliament and pre-dated the UK one. The UK owes so much to Iceland in this respect.

I suggest you read up on this stuff.

I already know the history and apparently you don't, either that or you think a dictatorship and a democracy is the same thing.

This discussion is now over.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I already know the history and apparently you don't, either that or you think a dictatorship and a democracy is the same thing.

This discussion is now over.

I didn't say that, I'm simply saying that the UK system itself owes its existence to previous systems, so the western world really should be thanking non-UK entities in the end.

Think about it. Both words of the term are not British 'inventions.' You really need to read up on these things, IMO.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Feel free to stand in attention and honour the greatest nation this earth has ever seen, responsible for all of western democracy and never ending fighting spirit in all areas where needed.

God save The Queen and good night from the land of Hope and Glory.

FROM redracted. LOL THe greatest terrorist the world has ever known you mean . Your so free in britian that if you go on vacation a squatter moves while your gone and you can't get them out . That not freedom that theft something you britts are good at . Than using Robin hood as an example theft being oK if you give money to the people . I call it bribery another thing britts excell at . But your second best . The Jews are above ya on the Everthing belongs to us agenda.. Your queen is nothing more than an enbreed Bitch and I wish her well as you britts deserve your Queen Bee

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Land of Hope and Glory

Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,
How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
Wider still, and wider, shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet!

Truth and Right and Freedom, each a holy gem,
Stars of solemn brightness, weave thy diadem.

Tho' thy way be darkened, still in splendour drest,
As the star that trembles o'er the liquid West.

Throned amid the billows, throned inviolate,
Thou hast reigned victorious, thou has smiled at fate.

Land of Hope and Glory, fortress of the Free,
How may we extol thee, praise thee, honour thee?

Hark, a mighty nation maketh glad reply;
Lo, our lips are thankful, lo, our hearts are high!

Hearts in hope uplifted, loyal lips that sing;
Strong in faith and freedom, we have crowned our King!

And with that i bid you a goodnight, God Save the Queen!

 

[Nemesis 1]

The UK is basically a vassal state of the US now, so they can't really say much.

Your kidding right, USA has land good farmland. Minerials Ect. ect.

Oh I almost forgot . The usa a has printing presses for worthless paper. The Britts have over half the worlds gold . The Britts OWN the fed.reserve The Britts ARE the BANK. Foolish man,

 

[CanOWorms]

It's important to the entire world. The British were defeated. They did not give up their slave-states through mere benevolence. You can keep thinking that the UK just gave everything up for world peace, but you would just be ignorant and naive.

:thumbsup:

The humiliating defeats and crumbling of the British Empire is one of the most amazing and uplifting stories of human history.

 

[WelshBloke]

Your kidding right, USA has land good farmland. Minerials Ect. ect.

Oh I almost forgot . The usa a has printing presses for worthless paper. The Britts have over half the worlds gold . The Britts OWN the fed.reserve The Britts ARE the BANK. Foolish man,

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[spittledip]

Meh. Roman Empire was better. Italians rule, with or without their empire

 

[Perknose]

Meh. Roman Empire was better. Italians rule, with or without their empire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

:biggrin:

 

[Nebor]

Obviously there's been some confusion. I have no problem with the UK at all. I think it's hilarious that the guy who posts as CanofWorms and RabidMongoose tries to twist every thread into how evil the UK is. So usually when he posts in a thread, I try to beat him to the punch by posting some nonsense about the UK's evil empire.

JoS is still a lying windbag though.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Obviously there's been some confusion. I have no problem with the UK at all. I think it's hilarious that the guy who posts as CanofWorms and RabidMongoose tries to twist every thread into how evil the UK is. So usually when he posts in a thread, I try to beat him to the punch by posting some nonsense about the UK's evil empire.

JoS is still a lying windbag though.

Still haven't seen any evidence of your service, i've provided a permanent evidence of mine and there are those who have seen my non-proxy adress who saw it fit to confirm it.

You're a little bisexual twat, that is what you've always been, it's what you'll always be and the day they let a little tiny bisexual twat as yourself into the armed forces is the day when the recruitment neccessities have been dropped all together.

I woldn't mind the bisexuality if you actually had the balls to stand up for it, that is what is real sad about you.

That is why i somewhat pity you, you poor little princess.

If i didn't know better i would think you and Hal were the same person, you have so much in common.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

:biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHSjv9gxlE&feature=relmfu