RS apologizes for UVA rape story

Genx87

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It is truely amazing to me in todays age of social media that a magazine like RS would not fact check a story like this.
 

inachu

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UVA is where to go to learn how to rape.
Virginia Tech is where you go to learn how to get a big ego and squash all the little people who have less than you then they fight back and kill you.
 

Homerboy

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It is truely amazing to me in todays age of social media that a magazine like RS would not fact check a story like this.

It's truly amazing to me that in this day and age, people still underestimate the stupidity of other people :)
 

rudeguy

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It is truely amazing to me in todays age of social media that a magazine like RS would not fact check a story like this.

Are you kidding?

Editors are now...well now they...what the hell do they do now?

The fact that the writer and her boss kept their jobs shows exactly how important factual reporting are to RS. I'll never read another article from them and wouldn't accept one of their rags if I was paid to.
 

Linflas

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UVA is where to go to learn how to rape.
Virginia Tech is where you go to learn how to get a big ego and squash all the little people who have less than you then they fight back and kill you.

Prime example of why the "apology" is not enough.
 

DigDog

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1) make the story short and intriguing

2) make the retraction long, dull and boring
 

Genx87

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Are you kidding?

Editors are now...well now they...what the hell do they do now?

The fact that the writer and her boss kept their jobs shows exactly how important factual reporting are to RS. I'll never read another article from them and wouldn't accept one of their rags if I was paid to.

The writer kept her job? Wow. The editor should also have lost their job.
 

twinrider1

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...The fact that the writer and her boss kept their jobs shows exactly how important factual reporting are to RS. ..

This, a thousand times, this.

I can't imagine being a journalism professor in this day and age. How do you look those kids and talk to them the importance of integrity. Talk about tilting at windmills.
 

rudeguy

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This, a thousand times, this.

I can't imagine being a journalism professor in this day and age. How do you look those kids and talk to them the importance of integrity. Talk about tilting at windmills.

There is no integrity in the media. That died long ago.
 

rudeguy

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Here's a Reuters piece on the Columbia review:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/06/us-usa-sexcrimes-virginia-idUSKBN0MW0TC20150406


(Reuters) - Rolling Stone magazine failed to follow basic journalistic safeguards in publishing a story about an alleged gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity house, according to an outside review of the matter released on Sunday.

The discredited story was intended to call attention to the issue of sexual violence on college campuses, but instead “the magazine's failure may have spread the idea that many women invent rape allegations,” a team from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism concluded in its critique.

It noted that social scientists say false allegations are estimated to account for 2 to 8 percent of all rape reports.

The Rolling Stone article, written by contributing editor Sabrina Rubin Erdely and published in November, detailed an alleged 2012 gang rape that a first-year student identified as "Jackie" said she had endured at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity house. It also accused the university of tolerating a culture that ignored sexual violence against women.

But in December, after coming under a barrage of questions about the story's veracity, Rolling Stone apologized for "discrepancies" in the account and admitted that it never sought comment from seven men accused of the alleged rape.

"Rolling Stone's repudiation of the main narrative in 'A Rape on Campus' is a story of journalistic failure that was avoidable," the Columbia team wrote in the report, which the magazine requested and published on its website.

"The failure encompassed reporting, editing, editorial supervision and fact-checking."

The review of the story was led by Steve Coll, dean of the Columbia Journalism School.

In an editor's note printed at the top of the report, Rolling Stone Managing Editor Will Dana said the magazine was officially retracting the article and apologized "to all of those who were damaged by our story and the ensuing fallout."

It is important that rape victims feel comfortable stepping forward, Dana wrote, "and it saddens us to think that their willingness to do so might be diminished by our failings."

The magazine's founding editor, Jann Wenner, said in an interview with the New York Times on Sunday the botched story was an isolated episode and that Erdely would continue to write for the magazine. He also said neither Dana nor Sean Woods, who edited the article, would lose their jobs.

While Dana said in his note that Rolling Stone would commit itself to following “a series of recommendations about journalistic practices that are spelled out in the report,” the report itself said “Rolling Stone's senior editors are unanimous in the belief that the story's failure does not require them to change their editorial systems.”

NO RED FLAGS RAISED

The report quoted Erdely as acknowledging to Columbia's review that she and her editors had perhaps been too accommodating of the alleged victim and willing to take her account as a rape victim at face value.

"In retrospect, I wish somebody had pushed me harder," Erdely said.

But the report said other mistakes throughout the editorial process failed to raise the kinds of red flags that should have drawn attention to fundamental problems with the story.

In particular, the report faulted Erdely and her editors for failing to check Jackie's account against other sources, including her alleged attackers and three friends depicted in the story as unsympathetic to her.

A spokesman for Phi Kappa Psi could not be reached immediately for comment. However, the report quoted campus chapter president Stephen Scipione as saying the magazine had "tarnished our reputation."

"It's completely destroyed a semester of our lives, specifically mine," Scipione told the reviewers. "It's put us in the worst position possible in our community here, in front of our peers and in the classroom."

Rolling Stone has not been sued by the fraternity, and Reuters was unable to determine if it planned to bring court action.

Legal experts said the report's findings could leave Rolling Stone more vulnerable to a libel case, but they cast doubt on the likelihood of such a lawsuit.

The Columbia review said fallout from the story had already caused considerable damage to the magazine, and the news media in general.

"The story's blowup comes as another shock to journalism's credibility," the report said, adding that the incident highlights the need for newsrooms to reaffirm the best journalistic practices.

In particular, the report recommends stronger newsroom policies on the use of pseudonyms, on checking information that casts people in a negative light, and on sharing specific details about a report to allow clearer rebuttals.

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring also castigated the magazine, saying its failures have "injected doubt at a moment when we are finally building national momentum around efforts to end campus sexual violence."

Attorneys were divided on whether Phi Kappa Psi or its members at the university were in a strong position to bring lawsuits against Rolling Stone. Bruce Sanford, a Washington media lawyer with the firm BakerHostetler, said all they would have to do is prove negligence on the magazine’s part.

Duke University Law School professor Stuart Benjamin pointed out that the story identified none of the alleged attackers by name, which could undermine any libel case. For the fraternity as a whole, he said he didn’t think "the lawsuit would get you any more vindication than you've already gotten."
 

pete6032

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I bet they don't even care about the blowback they will get. The number of clicks and amount of conversation they raised when the story first came out will far surpass any negative repercussions that the magazine could possibly face now that we know the story is inaccurate.
 

clamum

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Disgusting that the author and editor are keeping their jobs. I too will not read another Rolling Stone article.
 

Fingolfin269

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Does RS have any liability here? They basically damaged the reputations of a lot of people by publishing a lie and profited from it.
 
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TheVrolok

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Are you kidding?

Editors are now...well now they...what the hell do they do now?

The fact that the writer and her boss kept their jobs shows exactly how important factual reporting are to RS. I'll never read another article from them and wouldn't accept one of their rags if I was paid to.

I hate agreeing with rudeguy, but pretty much this exactly. The old joke oxymoron was "military intelligence," might as well lump in "journalistic integrity."
 

PokerGuy

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They've learned nothing, the same idiots that wrote / edited / approved the article without doing even the basic due diligence fact checking are still there and will move onto the next article to perform their next hack job. It's very obvious RS is only interested in damage control, not in actually fixing the things that led to such "journalism" in the first place.

RS = crap.
 

Thump553

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At least people can be shocked when Rolling Stone gets it wrong. They at least owned up to it, which is a whole lot more than a major propaganda organ which purportedly puts out "fair and balanced" news does.

I am a bit surprised that the reporter (at least) didn't get thrown under the bus. After all there are hundreds of unemployed quality journalists out there in line to take the job.

And kudos to Rolling Stone for bankrolling the Columbia study and agreeing in advance to publish it in full in their magazine, all without any strings attached. Much better than the usual circle the wagons approach.
 

boomerang

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This, a thousand times, this.

I can't imagine being a journalism professor in this day and age. How do you look those kids and talk to them the importance of integrity. Talk about tilting at windmills.
The media learned that they have the power to not just affect public opinion but to control public opinion. They learned they can set the agenda, that they can control the narrative. That's some real power and something I don't expect them to relinquish. I'm sure there are plenty of journalism professors that have no problem with holding on to that kind of power. It's just as easy to teach bias from this type of perspective as it is to teach honesty and integrity and the pay, it's the same.

Rolling Stone's high crimes: the new status quo
 
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midwestfisherman

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At least people can be shocked when Rolling Stone gets it wrong. They at least owned up to it, which is a whole lot more than a major propaganda organ which purportedly puts out "fair and balanced" news does.

Care to post any evidence of this or are you just going throwing out BS and leave it there to stink up your post?
 

mmntech

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I did work for a national broadcaster but it was soft news, so I can't really comment about the print industry or what goes on with these investigative journalists. What surprises me is that the reporter didn't get thrown under the bus. I've seen people fired for far less than that. You'd think their legal team would be on it like white on rice. Especially when the company is potentially facing a pretty substantial libel suit. Likely internal politics that allowed her to keep her job. She probably knows somebody with a lot of clout.

So why did this slip past the editor? I have some theories.
1) The current political correctness mantra dictates that you should never second guess an alleged rape victim. If you do, you suddenly become the bad guy.

2) The editors saw a story that fit their political agenda a bit too perfectly. "Rape Culture" is the current social justice cause d'jeur, and RS is considered a left wing publication. They got a bit too excited and went off half cocked without checking their facts. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Certainly won't be the last.

It's gross negligence on their part.
 

Jodell88

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I did work for a national broadcaster but it was soft news, so I can't really comment about the print industry or what goes on with these investigative journalists. What surprises me is that the reporter didn't get thrown under the bus. I've seen people fired for far less than that. You'd think their legal team would be on it like white on rice. Especially when the company is potentially facing a pretty substantial libel suit. Likely internal politics that allowed her to keep her job. She probably knows somebody with a lot of clout.

So why did this slip past the editor? I have some theories.
1) The current political correctness mantra dictates that you should never second guess an alleged rape victim. If you do, you suddenly become the bad guy.

2) The editors saw a story that fit their political agenda a bit too perfectly. "Rape Culture" is the current social justice cause d'jeur, and RS is considered a left wing publication. They got a bit too excited and went off half cocked without checking their facts. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Certainly won't be the last.

It's gross negligence on their part.
Both of your theories hold water. Also the journalist specifically went after UVa because it didn't seem to have a 'rape culture'.