RRR FLL Celebrates Push For Their Agenda 12-20-2004

[dmcowen674]

12-20-2004 Conservatives welcome "new day"

Conservatives welcome 'new day'

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., was beaming over a cup of Capitol bean soup in the House of Representatives dining room one recent afternoon.

"The election was a mandate for conservative leadership in Washington," declared the new chairman of the House Republican Study Committee.

With the imperative to support Bush's re-election campaign over, conservatives are starting to follow their own agenda. They have:

? Quietly inserted a controversial rider in a $388 billion spending bill passed this month by Congress and signed by Bush that allows health insurance companies, hospitals and HMOs to refuse to provide, cover or refer patients for abortions. The measure is being challenged in court.

Conservatives say they plan to pursue new, stalled and previously defeated initiatives, including:

?Clergy and politics. Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., will reintroduce a bill that would make it legal for churches to participate in political campaigns without losing tax-exempt status. It's not clear whether Bush will weigh in on the issue.

 

[1EZduzit]

So when you contribute to the church they can use the money to help the canidate of their choice???

What a brilliant idea that is. 🙁

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
So when you contribute to the church they can use the money to help the canidate of their choice???

What a brilliant idea that is. 🙁

Kinda like how unions work....

 

[1EZduzit]

LOL, not quite the same. I've never heard the term "seperation of union and state".

When you give to the union you have a voice in where the money goes. Not so with the Church.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
LOL, not quite the same. I've never heard the term "seperation of union and state".

NOt all that different either.

 

[1EZduzit]

see edit above

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
see edit above

NO you dont have a voice. Money usually only gets spent in one direction politically., reguardless of how the dues payer would vote.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
see edit above

NO you dont have a voice. Money usually only gets spent in one direction politically., reguardless of how the dues payer would vote.

Everyone gets to vote on their leader. Majority rules, like it or not. I've never seen the common man get to vote on his Pope.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
see edit above

NO you dont have a voice. Money usually only gets spent in one direction politically., reguardless of how the dues payer would vote.

Everyone gets to vote on their leader. Majority rules, like it or not. I've never seen the common man get to vote on his Pope.

That is not having a voice, when political contributions are forced.

 

[1EZduzit]

Yes it is. If you don't like it don't join the union or go to a different shop. You knew the rules when you joined it. Your just being a Rabid Liberal Hater.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yes it is. If you don't like it don't join the union or go to a different shop. You knew the rules when you joined it. Your just being a Rabid Liberal Hater.

Who said anything about liberals?

Unless of course you are forced to join a union to take a job. And according to you folks who think the job market is so tough, one should not be required to forfeit their political beleifs just to have a job.

 

[1EZduzit]

Further more, the union has to have books so you know who their giving the money to. Churches could give it to whomever they please without you even knowing who it went to. No accountablitly

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Further more, the union has to have books so you know who their giving the money to. Churches could give it to whomever they please without you even knowing who it went to. No accountablitly

The congressaion is however not forced to give to the church.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yes it is. If you don't like it don't join the union or go to a different shop. You knew the rules when you joined it. Your just being a Rabid Liberal Hater.

Who said anything about liberals?

Unless of course you are forced to join a union to take a job. And according to you folks who think the job market is so tough, one should not be required to forfeit their political beleifs just to have a job.

LOL, they can do that?? You have to work at that particular place?? Come-on, be real. You could go to work in a non-union shop then and quit worrying about the union shops and dues. Then you can really be free. 😀

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Further more, the union has to have books so you know who their giving the money to. Churches could give it to whomever they please without you even knowing who it went to. No accountablitly

The congressaion is however not forced to give to the church.

And if this law goes thru, they can forget about getting any more contributions from me. 🙂

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Further more, the union has to have books so you know who their giving the money to. Churches could give it to whomever they please without you even knowing who it went to. No accountablitly

The congressaion is however not forced to give to the church.

And if this law goes thru, they can forget about getting any more contributions from me. 🙂

As you said, you are free to go elsewhere....

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Further more, the union has to have books so you know who their giving the money to. Churches could give it to whomever they please without you even knowing who it went to. No accountablitly

The congressaion is however not forced to give to the church.

And if this law goes thru, they can forget about getting any more contributions from me. 🙂

As you said, you are free to go elsewhere....

Just as your free to work in a non-union shop if you choose. You still haven't addressed the "seperation of church and state" issue, though. The law would be unconstitutional and a waste of the taxpayers money with all the letigation that would follow.

Like I said, what a brilliant idea 🙁

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Further more, the union has to have books so you know who their giving the money to. Churches could give it to whomever they please without you even knowing who it went to. No accountablitly

The congressaion is however not forced to give to the church.

And if this law goes thru, they can forget about getting any more contributions from me. 🙂

As you said, you are free to go elsewhere....

Just as your free to work in a non-union shop if you choose. You still haven't addressed the "seperation of church and state" issue, though. The law would be unconstitutional and a waste of the taxpayers money with all the letigation that would follow.

Like I said, what a brilliant idea 🙁

I would say it would be more constitution than forcing people to give and then spending their money against the will of the worker. That is a great loss of political and economic freedom.


But hey if you think that is right....

 

[1EZduzit]

LOL, right. Avoid the question by comparing it to labor unions. They're legal. Just your Rabid Liberal Hater mentality showing through.

I think it must be Clinton's fault!! 😀

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
LOL, right. Avoid the question by comparing it to labor unions. They're legal. Just your Rabid Liberal Hater mentality showing through.

I think it must be Clinton's fault!! 😀

Churches are legal as well.

You are the only mentioning liberals in this thread. Do you have complex?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yes it is. If you don't like it don't join the union or go to a different shop. You knew the rules when you joined it. Your just being a Rabid Liberal Hater.

Memories of my Dad calmly shooting out the headlights that surrounded our house late one night. He mysteriously "fell" from a scaffold into the hole of a ship in the Mobile shipyards a couple of weeks later. After we got him out of the hospital, we moved. No, I am not a labor union member, espically not the AF 0f L/CIO! Yep, it is all freedom of choice.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
LOL, right. Avoid the question by comparing it to labor unions. They're legal. Just your Rabid Liberal Hater mentality showing through.

I think it must be Clinton's fault!! 😀

Churches are legal as well.

You are the only mentioning liberals in this thread. Do you have complex?

Churches playing politics are not legal and a law saying they can is unconstitutional. Thats a fact and you know it. Go argue with yourself, then you might have a chance of convincing someone.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
LOL, right. Avoid the question by comparing it to labor unions. They're legal. Just your Rabid Liberal Hater mentality showing through.

I think it must be Clinton's fault!! 😀

Churches are legal as well.

You are the only mentioning liberals in this thread. Do you have complex?

Churches playing politics are not legal and a law saying they can is unconstitutional. Thats a fact and you know it. Go argue with yourself, then you might have a chance of convincing someone.

There is freedom of religion in this country, not freedom from religion. As long as every church has to chance to donate to political party of their choice, I just dont see an issue with it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison


You are the only mentioning liberals in this thread. Do you have complex?

I just saying it to get a rise out of you. 🙂 Thisproposed law is obviously coming from the religious right whackos.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
LOL, right. Avoid the question by comparing it to labor unions. They're legal. Just your Rabid Liberal Hater mentality showing through.

I think it must be Clinton's fault!! 😀

Churches are legal as well.

You are the only mentioning liberals in this thread. Do you have complex?

Churches playing politics are not legal and a law saying they can is unconstitutional. Thats a fact and you know it. Go argue with yourself, then you might have a chance of convincing someone.

There is freedom of religion in this country, not freedom from religion. As long as every church has to chance to donate to political party of their choice, I just dont see an issue with it.

I beg to differ.